Chia egg work

[Phoenix]

This is a question for the ladies. Has anyone tried Mantak Chia's egg work? I'm finding myself a bit confused by the instructions. I'm also not convinced that advanced muscle control is necessary for energy work (though muscle *strength* may be a different matter). If anyone has experience with this, I'd appreciate your comments and advice.

[Mal]

[三江源]

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Edited April 12, 2015 by 三江源

[immortal_sister]

glad to see someone posting about this! cat gave a wonderful answer i tend to dislike a lot of chia's stuff, not because of what he is teaching as much as how he teaches it. being a woman, i tend to feel a disconnect with some of his methods. i find jade saida's explanation and work with the jade eggs much easier to relate to. and although she is one of chia's students, she has given these teachings her own flavor and you can tell what she teaches is from the heart, from experience. and i think that makes all the difference with female-specific practices. i highly recommend her book.

 

i have been using jade eggs on and off for a few years. like cat said, i have always felt that there wasn't a "need" or even that much benefit to acquiring advanced muscle control. i think some muscle control can be beneficial, both for sexual pleasure, but also for healing, as different parts of the vagina and the cervix are related to different organs in the body, therefore massaging a certain area with the egg has healing properties. so being able to move the egg around can produce a healing effect that say, a penis, could not. furthermore, using real jade eggs has a whole other set of healing properties. jade is considered a very yang stone, and is therefore excellent for building energy internally.

 

i find that just having the jade egg inside is wonderful and comforting. i sometimes insert it in the morning and simply wear it all day long. it brings an awareness all day long that is wonderful, the energy just expands and builds from the egg's presence. and if you have some experience working with the egg you can do some gentle exercises throughout the day too! its a lot of fun

 

i haven't practiced the weight swinging yet but i plan to. i think with little weights this method could be very beneficial to build some strength. a strong pelvic floor has so many health benefits, and weights are a wonderful way to do this. i have been waiting for the right time to use weights myself, as i do not take this practice lightly, i want to feel ready, know what i mean? i tend to take the slow approach when it comes to new practices, especially powerful practices like that.

 

jade saida has started an interesting community on her website, which Mal posted. there are forums, and although they are not very busy, there are discussions about jade egg practice there. worth checking out!

Edited August 3, 2010 by immortal_sister

[三江源]

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Edited April 12, 2015 by 三江源

[immortal_sister]

oh what a lovely idea, i have never cleansed it in salt! very interesting.

i have not tried charging it in the sun either. i am going to do that right now actually, all that lovely sun yang energy... yum!

 

also, one more thing i wanted to mention, is that eggs come in many different sizes. i have a set of 6 eggs of varying sizes. it can be fun to play around with bigger or smaller eggs, obviously the smaller they are the harder they are to control or even feel at first. but for some women the smaller ones are more comfortable.

[immortal_sister]

oops, i just realized i said something that is completely wrong

jade stone is YIN, not YANG. which is why it is so receptive and can be used to absorb and remove negative qi, like cat mentioned.

 

for some reason as i was writing my earlier post i was thinking of the shiva lingam stone, which i recently acquired. those are considered very yang, thus their name. jade would be the counterpart of the shiva lingam.

 

i got the lingam stones to simply hold during meditation, but i plan to use them internally as well and compare the energies of both. i should do that this week...

[宁]

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Edited August 3, 2010 by Little1

[JohnC]

The clitoris is the positive pole of the womans sexual area and therefore has no polarity with the male, so tantrically it is 'redundant'.

 

Cat,

 

Could you speak more on this?

 

I've heard this from other places, but ... how does this apply, what does it mean, how does this relate to love making?

 

Basically I wanna know everything

 

John

[三江源]

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Edited April 12, 2015 by 三江源

[immortal_sister]

wondeful post cat:D thank you!

 

i can attest that pretty much everything you said is true. i have found that clitoral orgasms have taken a back seat the more open i become, and the closer my partner and i are. we definitely experience the orgasmic bliss from a variety of touches, not just the mainstream "sexual" stuff you would think about. we spend hours cuddling sometimes, and as cheesy as it may sound, we have incredible energy exchanges that way, it is extremely powerful!

 

but indeed, the most intense polarity is between the penis and the cervix. if you can have an orgasm from cervical stimulation, oh man, that is a whole new energetic ballgame

[immortal_sister]

also, i wanted to add that i love david deida. i think all men should read his books.

 

and for that matter, i think all women should read his book called "its a guy thing". so many women fail to understand the true nature of men, what drives them, and are constantly disappointed because they expect men to communicate the same way that us women do. i found that book very enriching, without being too heavy on the psychology side of things. it is simple and straight forward, and i think most women would really benefit from it. i can only assume the same is true for his male-oriented books.

[三江源]

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[Mal]

Tantric Orgasm for Women by Diana Richardson is a VERY interesting book. Quite a different approach to sexuality than I had been exposed to previously. Big fan of David Deida also, although I've only read TWOTSM, Dear Lover and Instant Enlightenment.

 

This thread has turned out to be most informative, I'm glad it didn't slip down the board unanswered.

 

Embrace the mysterious feminine!

[JohnC]

Cool.

 

Thanks you two .

 

Yea, my girl is pretty open sexually, and squirts from clit play. But exploring a lot of this. She's got some vaginal balls to work her kegals and the like.

 

I've experienced feeling bliss when she caresses me after being really close for a weekend, and vaginal play. Also in making her cum vaginally, like I could feel my penis rubbing against ridges at the top edge of her vagina. And... it was like I could feel my middle burner??? heat up when we were fucking. It was like a band of my body got hot.

 

Too just experiencing a lot of this stuff in doing my practice. Really enjoying fucking, loving and being connected deeply with my girl.

 

I dig Deida. I will be reading the rest of that book.

 

 

 

But I don't like some of Marnia Robinsons (the karrezza lady) assumptions and positions. Feels half baked and like they are based from shame and shaming in themselves. Like that orgasms are bad, porn is inherently bad and can make people go gay...? When all these things are inherently neutral, and it's more about your relationship to them. As if orgasms are the reason why relationships are failing today.. phhbb.

 

Especially their forum where they have a section for people turning gay because of porn. Pisses me off in a bad way, that they would shame and try to convince people of that bullshit.

 

Regardless a different opinion, and one to consider.

 

John

[Seth Ananda]

Nice to see some female practitioners discussing here.

 

I personally think that ALL men should also read Tantric orgasm for women. Its simply the best book on the subject.

 

I only partially agree with the clitoral perspective being voiced. Yes, for some women, excessive clitoral focus results in the typical - Tense up, have a 'Genital Sneeze' type orgasm, but there is certainly nothing wrong with enjoying liberal clitoral stimulation during love making. The clitoris is easy to use in 'goal oriented' sex which yes, is not usually very Tantric.

Deep penetration in non-friction based Tantric sex usually stimulates the clitoris anyway.

 

Also, the clitoris is a Large gland. It connects to the pubic bone, has the small surface poking through to say hi, and has two 'legs' which divide just before the urethra and Run either side of the vaginal canal. Its shape is more 'tetrahedral'.

 

What people call the female G-spot is actually an Intersection of the internal body of the clitoris and the Prostatic material which clusters around the out side of the urethral stem. [i have seen detailed Autopsy photos of all of these regions]

(women do not actually have a prostate gland but they do have some fibres that are what develop into the prostate when the child becomes a man.)

 

So G-spot pleasure is actually clitoral pleasure and prostatic material pleasure. any stimulation to the clitoris serves to engorge the 'g-spot' and vice versa...

 

Many of the best Yoni massage techniques which bring about Deep healing and may result in the female Ejaculation, use internal and external stimulation.

 

All I probably should have said is that from a Tantric point of view, All of a Woman is Divine.

Shakti Bless you all [bows]

Seth Ananda

[immortal_sister]

I only partially agree with the clitoral perspective being voiced. Yes, for some women, excessive clitoral focus results in the typical - Tense up, have a 'Genital Sneeze' type orgasm, but there is certainly nothing wrong with enjoying liberal clitoral stimulation during love making. The clitoris is easy to use in 'goal oriented' sex which yes, is not usually very Tantric.

 

i don't think either of us was saying that clitoral orgasms are bad. they do tend to be more superficial orgasms. but, this really depends on the person's experience with tantra and her ability to truly relax during sexual activity.

 

Deep penetration in non-friction based Tantric sex usually stimulates the clitoris anyway.

 

that really depends on the woman. every woman is built slightly differently, and although some women will easily have clitoral orgasms during deep penetration, others won't (i am one of those, it just won't happen)

 

Also, the clitoris is a Large gland. It connects to the pubic bone, has the small surface poking through to say hi, and has two 'legs' which divide just before the urethra and Run either side of the vaginal canal. Its shape is more 'tetrahedral'.

 

What people call the female G-spot is actually an Intersection of the internal body of the clitoris and the Prostatic material which clusters around the out side of the urethral stem. [i have seen detailed Autopsy photos of all of these regions]

So G-spot pleasure is actually clitoral pleasure and prostatic material pleasure. any stimulation to the clitoris serves to engorge the 'g-spot' and vice versa...

 

yes they are linked, but saying that because they are linked makes them the same is a HUGE overstatement. g-spot pleasure and orgasm is not the same as clitoral pleasure, not does it lead to the same kind of energetic activity.

 

i appreciate your input, don't think that i am trying to shut you down! i just can't help but chime in when i read something that is somewhat oversimplifying female sexuality

[Seth Ananda]

i don't think either of us was saying that clitoral orgasms are bad. they do tend to be more superficial orgasms. but, this really depends on the person's experience with tantra and her ability to truly relax during sexual activity.

 

that really depends on the woman. every woman is built slightly differently, and although some women will easily have clitoral orgasms during deep penetration, others won't (i am one of those, it just won't happen.

yes they are linked, but saying that because they are linked makes them the same is a HUGE overstatement. g-spot pleasure and orgasm is not the same as clitoral pleasure, not does it lead to the same kind of energetic activity.

i appreciate your input, don't think that i am trying to shut you down! i just can't help but chime in when i read something that is somewhat oversimplifying female sexuality

Heheh, I am sorry I should have explained myself a bit better. I was not at all meaning that clitoral and G, C or V orgasms are the same... All i was saying is that anatomicly the clitoris is actually still responsible for A large region of female pleasure. Its sort of like its different regions have different 'poles' of energetic experience.

and yes, clitoral orgasm is not a requirement for Tantra.

Its Interesting to note that the most external part of the clitoris is responsible for the most 'superficial' orgasm, and the Cervix, deep inside is well, Wow!

Have Fun!

[kitten_growingup]

immortal_sister and cat,

 

It's interesting what you've said.

I believe the jade egg is "vagina-friendly". And the practice is very useful.

 

I had a small jade egg. Yes, it's hard practicing with it at the beginning. Especially if the vagina muscles are not that exercised, and lazy. But the feeling when using the egg is pleasant. For me it was a bit frustrating, too, that's why I made it forgotten. It's not easy to accept the fact that you're body needs exercise in all the areas, especially in those being the more intimate.

 

I used to pay attention to the egg while having it inside me. I watched the way it felt, what sensations it gave me. I even smelled it after pulling it out.

It's a fact, people smell is one of the most trained of my senses.

 

Please tell me if it happened to you also:

If I smell the fingertips of a person - either me, my husband, my kid etc. - I can say something about ... their sexual secretions. Why ? Because for years I've seen, on me, that there is a connection between the finger tips and the vagina or penis and mouth.

 

When I introduce something into my vagina - let's say an intimate care liquid - I feel, in my mouth, the taste of that liquid (especially if it has chemicals).

And if I want to test the way my vaginal fluids are on the moment, I just smell my fingertips and gather the information I need.

That way I can say if the secretions are normal, clean, or something wrong is happening there.

 

Added on edit: If I pay attention to what I sense in the mouth, I can recognize the "ID card" of the vaginal fluids, which is mainly energetic and then physical.

Edited August 13, 2010 by kitten_growingup

[immortal_sister]

thanks for posting! indeed we don't use our sense of smell enough when it comes to taking care of ourselves. especially in regards to the vagina, smell is everything! most women don't pay attention enough i think, and feel "gross" about smelling themselves or even tasting themselves. but there is great wisdom in knowing your body really well

[kitten_growingup]

thanks for posting! indeed we don't use our sense of smell enough when it comes to taking care of ourselves. especially in regards to the vagina, smell is everything! most women don't pay attention enough i think, and feel "gross" about smelling themselves or even tasting themselves. but there is great wisdom in knowing your body really well

 

Yes, you're right. It took me some time to realize that.

Now I'm happy that I can share it with someone.

Also, a woman using these senses in intimacy with her lover can help him too. She can tell him if his practice and lifestyle - food, sex life etc. - is helping his fluids or not. Especially if they are on a long term relationship and know each other well; and if they had enough time to gather, now and then, information about their bodies or each other's body. By doing this, she can help him gain more confidence in what he does, if the results of his practices are improving.

 

Coming back to the egg: It helps you to be aware of how your vagina feels like. Of how is the tissue inside. If the fluids are enough to maintain the vagina in a good health. Or which muscles are in good shape and which need training. You also gain self-confidence in what you can do in your sexual life. It's nice to know that you can help yourself and your partner to feel the pleasure in a different and useful way. Training the vagina using the jade egg is a helpful way of preparing for the dual practice. Your trained muscles help you develop awareness of the energetic and physical correspondences between the vagina and the penis.

The big problem is... to make it a habit. To use the jade egg as something natural, that is so normal to you. (That's my problem... but I'll figure it out somehow).

[Birch]

Yeah, I guess I'd "work out" more if I didn't get such weirdo reactions from men about it.

 

The porn industry has a lot to answer for. Plus it "scripts" men so they can't deal with it. IMO and small experience. And that's just annoying as hell.

[immortal_sister]

Yeah, I guess I'd "work out" more if I didn't get such weirdo reactions from men about it.

 

 

for one, i don't think any man or anyone needs to know that you use jade eggs

 

but on the other hand, personally, if i told someone about it and they were really weird about it / didn't understand, that would just be an easy way to know that they might not be someone i want in my life anyways.

[kitten_growingup]

that would just be an easy way to know that they might not be someone i want in my life anyways.

 

Good point !

 

The thing is that women who practice something in their life, are looking for a guy / partner who can join them on this path. Who can have or has gained control over his penis and sexual reactions.

But, unfortunately and what's so disappointing for the women who - fairly - are looking for their half, few man are capable of that, even those who practice.

 

So... either you keep your high standards and believe that there's someone special for you waiting out there, someone who will be the perfect man for you...

 

or...

 

You forget about you practice, give up your dreams, and accept whatever life is giving you. So you live your life like this, never knowing that if you have patience, self-esteem, self-confidence and strong belief that everyone in this life has his or her half, you shall met that guy and live a happy, healthy and inspiring life.

 

 

 

Years ago I had to choose in this respect, and life helped me to make the right choice.

 

Please bear with me, and read this with patience:

 

Few years ago, I was wondering about, because my (love) life was miserable - I made odd choices (that means they weren't so good ). And I didn't feel ok. I was interested in energetic stuff, I could feel the energy of the places, the people, and I didn't like to go anywhere and anyhow. But those around me were just ... normal people... who had no idea of what the energy feels like, and that life is more than we see and perceive with the physical senses.

I wanted something else, and a REAL partner, one who could help me grow in all areas of my life, who could help me develop. Not a chance in that kind of life I was living in!

 

And... life gave me a little help, again ! I am so lucky ! (Or was it because... you attract what you give... ? or what you need ? I'm not sure... )

Life gave me the chance to realize that I really am a woman who can make her own choices in life. Who can say no if she doesn't want something, and who can say yes if she does. Who can go on thinking the way she does because people around you and the environment you have in your life adapts, reacts, and changes to your inner life (to the inner changes, to your inner reactions, emotions, thoughts etc.).

 

I made a choice: I'll wait for the right guy to come, no matter what it takes. I gave up looking for him around me, and just waited and enjoyed life. I took more care about myself - I've worked on self-esteem etc etc and... The answer came

shortly after - I met someone very dear to me. The one who, after few years, gave me the most precious treasure - a child.

We are both practitioners now, not only him. And I'm growing up on the spiritual path because he's right beside me and I've started to practice under his guidance.

 

Someone else's story: A girl-friend of mine felt the energies around her, did some yoga and knew a little about the sexual practices. But because she had few disappointments in her love life, even with a guy who pretended to be a practitioner, gave up all that.

What's the point of practicing something, when no one in your love life does it or needs it, right ? (Wrong, if you ask me, but...) So... her life is normal too... She's happy the way it is... but she could have more... because she was (and I think still is) special inside. But she chose to forget that she can do or feel more.

 

Hope this helps someone...

 

kitten

Edited August 14, 2010 by kitten_growingup