whistle blowing on breathing in the genitals

[Pietro]

I just come from Bruce 3 weeks course on breathing. We also worked on the legs. The question was asked about breathing under the lower dan tien (basically below the pelvic floor). Basically he explained that if you breath under, you should breath through the whole legs (the wise man breathes through his heels, and all that jazz). If you breath in your genitals and you are having sex quite regularly that can be ok. But doing techniques of breathing in the genitals, not in the legs, while not having regular sex can be dangerous in the long run. He mentioned people having problems over the age of 60 in China after having done those techniques in their twenties... Problems being finding that their legs stopped working, being wheel chair bound and so on.

 

No, I do not know if the techniques you have practices so far have fucked you up.

No, I do not know what you should do if you have practiced those techniques in the past.

 

I just share this information, as I think it might be relevant for people.

 

Also we were told that much of what is around in the west in terms of sexual techniques, is coming from a booklet that was published in Taiwan, and circling in the Taiwan prostitute area in the 60's. And even then people where having problems, although they were not advertised that much.

 

No such problem arise if you breath (or blow) other people's genitals; just a friendly hint.

[Sloppy Zhang]

Three week course.... damn!

 

Thanks for bringing back this bit of information.

 

In my opinion, it stresses the need for a full system of cultivation. Sex cultivation can be good.... in the proper context, and done properly, supported by a healthy body with healthy energy circulation, and other proper practices.

 

Interesting story (rumor?) about the little Taiwanese booklet.

[宁]

Master Chia is 63. He's still touring the world twice a year - it's a record that no master that I heard of can do. Yang Jwing-ming said he stopped touring to Europe (just Europe) at around 60, because it was way too tiring for him. What of wheel chairs?

Just sharing..

Edited July 26, 2010 by Little1

[Sloppy Zhang]

Master Chia is 63. He's still touring the world twice a year - it's a record that no master that I heard of can do. Yang Jwing-ming said he stopped touring to Europe (just Europe) at around 60, because it was way too tiring for him. What of wheel chairs?

Just sharing..

 

Yes, he has done quite a bit.

 

B.K. Frantzis mentions several times in his books that he doesn't want to put a lot of energy intensive stuff out there. But he does allude to certain practices. And of the stuff that he's alluded to, I've seen in Chia's works with the details on how to do it all there.

 

So he definitely has brought a lot of good stuff, I think.

 

People like to pull stuff out of context.

[三江源]

So would a regular practice of whole body breathing be a practical balancing addition to anyone's method, Pietro?

[suninmyeyes]

Interesting title of the topic.

[Starjumper]

That's what I was thinking. If you breath through your genitals and it makes a whistling noise I would say you definitely have a problem.

[Starjumper]

So would a regular practice of whole body breathing be a practical balancing addition to anyone's method, Pietro?

 

Could you explain what you mean (method) by whole body breathing. We do some breathing in my practice, but not much, and it's always done in combination with a movement.

[Vajrasattva]

Master Chia is 63. He's still touring the world twice a year - it's a record that no master that I heard of can do. Yang Jwing-ming said he stopped touring to Europe (just Europe) at around 60, because it was way too tiring for him. What of wheel chairs?

Just sharing..

 

 

mantak has a lot of sex : )

[Vajrasattva]

if you are doing something balanced then usually the whole unit receives the chi /prana it needs.

 

 

 

this is why things like 5pb or hair /pore breathing and chi sets are important.

 

its good to be able to single out a spot on your body and breath with it but ne needs to also be able to work on the different sectors and also layers of the being aswell as the WHOLE.

 

 

 

PEACE

 

santi

[Pietro]

mantak has a lot of sex : )

 

 

yes, mantak is not exactly celibate. I don't know if the point is ejaculating or having sex. Bruce said "having sex" so if he was litteral (and no reason to think he was, by and large the people present were not people trained in taoist sexual practices), the Mantak should be ok.

 

But also Mantak is not your average dude, he does all sort of practices with his energy...

 

but by now some of his older students might be in the position to show some of the effect.

 

Look I don't want to bad mouth mantak. Basically I don't know. But I thought the red flag risen was too important not to repeat it.

 

Also Bruce never said it was happening to everybody. Suppose it happen only to some people in a way that is independent to how they practice and dependent on who they are (karma-dna, you name it). What percentage would be an acceptable rate?

1%

2%

0.1%

10%

 

Even if you accept a 10% of risk (slightly better than a russian roulette), you are still having 9 people who do not show the signs. If all you call are the teachers, each will still have a 90% to be ok.

 

As I said,, don't make this a school fight. That those practices can be dangerous is not a news. I am just adding a little detail from a guy who happened to study as a taoist priest in his youth, having one of the topics being sex.

[Pietro]

So would a regular practice of whole body breathing be a practical balancing addition to anyone's method, Pietro?

 

thanks for asking

 

if it is not used to suppress emotions (something quite easy to do),

it would generally be a good addition to most people most of the time.

I am still digesting and integrating the information,

so forgive me if I don't enter in the details at this point.

[balance.]

Interesting to hear, Pietro.

 

.. and I would be curious to learn about any specific reasons for the phenomena as well...

 

 

Also, it seems to me that this article sums things up pretty well in terms of emphasizing the importance of activating the huiyin and breathing up from your feet while engaged in some loving encounter... though of course the practice needn't be relegated only to the sexual forum.. I find five gate breathing to be something that I can practice most anywhere, and I appreciate the lightening/clarifying sensations that it brings forth.

 

..and I agree with Vaj as well.. being able to breathe into specific parts of the body is valuable, but it's important that perspective and balance be maintained in practice so that you don't become too fixated on one exercise and neglect the whole.. like marathon runs of testicle/genital breathing.... integration vs. separation.

Edited July 26, 2010 by balance.

[宁]

yes, mantak is not exactly celibate. I don't know if the point is ejaculating or having sex. Bruce said "having sex" so if he was litteral (and no reason to think he was, by and large the people present were not people trained in taoist sexual practices), the Mantak should be ok.

 

 

As I said,, don't make this a school fight. That those practices can be dangerous is not a news. I am just adding a little detail from a guy who happened to study as a taoist priest in his youth, having one of the topics being sex.

 

Yes, I guess you are right about MC.

 

Buy,sorry, Pietro, honestly, what Frantzis said doesn't make sense.

What does one thing has to do with another?

If the process isn't explained, i can doubt the honesty of the teacher. Because many teachers use this method: bad mouth a method and bragg about yours...

I don't want to say this is the case. But aditional explanation is vital. I'm not into sharing information via www, because i'm no teacher. But there's alot of benefits of breathing, with either side of the body! The more sides you involve, the better!

 

And, regarding 'manipulation of energy', I saw this phobia on other threads: the 'history of qigong' proved that it's dangerous only to those that are mentally and psychologically unstable...

 

Pietro, there's one thing I wanted to ask you since a long time ago: what happens to your teacher? He seems to age too much, too fast. I don't know him in person, but as I saw his latest photos on the webside, I had a yikes! up my throat. I like the man, read his articles many years ago, imho I consider the path good and worth following. But what happens to this man?

 

yours

 

L1

[Ya Mu]

...

Also we were told that much of what is around in the west in terms of sexual techniques, is coming from a booklet that was published in Taiwan, and circling in the Taiwan prostitute area in the 60's. And even then people where having problems, although they were not advertised that much.

 

...

This is similar to what I was taught in China.

 

But honestly, I don't understand why folks feel the need for breath practices into any particular organ. Why not practice energetics that utilize and balance the whole body? Why not access the energy directly, as in pull energy into all pores of the body? Why the need for (any organ) breathing?

[Vajrasattva]

Interesting to hear, Pietro.

 

.. and I would be curious to learn about any specific reasons for the phenomena as well...

 

 

Also, it seems to me that this article sums things up pretty well in terms of emphasizing the importance of activating the huiyin and breathing up from your feet while engaged in some loving encounter... though of course the practice needn't be relegated only to the sexual forum.. I find five gate breathing to be something that I can practice most anywhere, and I appreciate the lightening/clarifying sensations that it brings forth.

 

..and I agree with Vaj as well.. being able to breathe into specific parts of the body is valuable, but it's important that perspective and balance be maintained in practice so that you don't become too fixated on one exercise and neglect the whole.. like marathon runs of testicle/genital breathing.... integration vs. separation.

 

 

correct. Its all about balance.

 

For example "semen" retention is not natural.

 

Its ok to do from time to time. But its also ok to allow flow to occur.

 

Its more important what you do with the energy that is inside the semen than the semen itself. regardless of whether its in the body or outside of the body.

 

If you retain your semen yet you can't move the energy WTF is the point?

 

One would just be hurting themselves.

 

Its all about balance.

 

whole body breathing properly can be so powerful and once mastered can be done all the time. In one breath a whole body breather can energize and do what most need to achieve in 1 hour or more of practice. Things are relative.

 

The more advanced energy work is actually simple & common sense just takes more understanding of more subtle levels & basic principles.

[Vajrasattva]

This is similar to what I was taught in China.

 

But honestly, I don't understand why folks feel the need for breath practices into any particular organ. Why not practice energetics that utilize and balance the whole body? Why not access the energy directly, as in pull energy into all pores of the body? Why the need for (any organ) breathing?

 

 

correct if one breaths with the whole body and knows how to move the energy and subtle fascia & muscles, then everything can "breath"

[Lucky7Strikes]

I just come from Bruce 3 weeks course on breathing. We also worked on the legs. The question was asked about breathing under the lower dan tien (basically below the pelvic floor). Basically he explained that if you breath under, you should breath through the whole legs (the wise man breathes through his heels, and all that jazz).

Hi Pietro,

 

Did Bruce recommend a certain pathway in the legs?

[Pietro]

wow, lot's of reaction. I shall try to answer rapidly to all.

 

Interesting to hear, Pietro.

 

.. and I would be curious to learn about any specific reasons for the phenomena as well...

 

 

 

We all would. I am not even sure Bruce is allowed to speak about it too specifically. He was trained as a taoist priest before training with Liu. The training with Liu released his of several obligations, but I am not sure if this is among them. After all Liu taught him the water tradition, and this seem to be more on the fire side.

 

 

[Pietro]

Buy,sorry, Pietro, honestly, what Frantzis said doesn't make sense.

What does one thing has to do with another?

If the process isn't explained, i can doubt the honesty of the teacher. Because many teachers use this method: bad mouth a method and bragg about yours...

I don't want to say this is the case. But aditional explanation is vital. I'm not into sharing information via www, because i'm no teacher. But there's alot of benefits of breathing, with either side of the body! The more sides you involve, the better!

 

Well, of course this kind of information stand on authority and the trust you have on a person. This is generally bad practice and not accepted in science. But it is accepted in parenting ("kid, don't do this, I'll tell you later why"). It also wasn't released to the public, but to his students.

 

At the end you need to make the decision in your heart who will you believe. After following both for several years I know where I stand.

 

 

And, regarding 'manipulation of energy', I saw this phobia on other threads: the 'history of qigong' proved that it's dangerous only to those that are mentally and psychologically unstable...

like me?

because Bruce advised me against practicing sexual techniques many years ago because of specific things with myself ("unless I work with you for 6 months in a 1o1"). Now we did some brain techniques in this last retreat that I felt were going in that direction. I asked him and he confirmed (which doesn't mean I am fit to practice sexual chi gung now, but we are getting there). Honestly being mentally unstable is not a one zero thing. It is a continuum, and there are many people who are stable under normal conditions and unstable under the right (or wrong) kind of pressure.

 

Pietro, there's one thing I wanted to ask you since a long time ago: what happens to your teacher? He seems to age too much, too fast. I don't know him in person, but as I saw his latest photos on the webside, I had a yikes! up my throat. I like the man, read his articles many years ago, imho I consider the path good and worth following. But what happens to this man?

 

WHich teacher? I had several teachers. Alan? Bruce? They both are doing great. Bruce has never ever been so good. He is lighter than I ever have seen him. He walks normally and without a stick (last year he had a stick). And for someone who was not supposed to walk again the rest of his life, got his spine broken several times he is nothing short of a chi miracle.

 

Alan is just fine.

 

Anyone else?

[Pietro]

This is similar to what I was taught in China.

 

But honestly, I don't understand why folks feel the need for breath practices into any particular organ. Why not practice energetics that utilize and balance the whole body? Why not access the energy directly, as in pull energy into all pores of the body? Why the need for (any organ) breathing?

 

 

We need to differentiate between organ breathing and breathing in various parts of the body. There are several reasons why you will want to breath in a particular part of the body. But the first and foremost is to awaken that part.

Imagine you are the director of a chorus. Yes you want all to sing, but if someone is not singing you ask him to sing alone. Then in small groups, and then to join the chorus. That's a good reason. There are of course others.

You need to reach full body breathing, and parts that are not awake will not join the chorus.

 

Organ breathing is generally good as a form of massage. But again you will eventually want to practice each organ alone and then all together.

[Pietro]

Hi Pietro,

 

Did Bruce recommend a certain pathway in the legs?

 

 

In the water method you use less specific energetic pathways, and more all the channels at the same time. But you do this at specific depths. So your breath will reach a certain level of depth first, and then go deeper. You don't want to go deeper until you have completed and stabilised the levels above to avoid the swiss cheese effect. Where energy does not spread uniformly through the body.

[fizix]

Interesting, consider contexts. Breathing in the genitals - the substantial area of consciousness focused on? Do not use some arcane potentially dangerous method of cultivation if such is the case; the testicles in and of themselves should not be a area purposely made aware of; do not confuse with the sensation of the 'cool heat' arising within the area around and between the lower dan tian chakra at the navel and the hui yin chakra at the perineum. When undergoing a proper practice of dan tian cutivation, these alchemical sensations will occur as yang chi is overflown out of the dan tian when cultivated, empowers the system, and in response the jing stored of the sperm / testes generates extraordinary yang chi emission - source ala the mysterious gate (pass) and freshly absorbed polar chi arouses the tiger and dragon energies yin and yang chi and the sensation cannot be confused with some sort of disordered porno-meditation. The adept practitioner learns to pull jing from their sexual organs however in time so this transmutation of jing from testes to chi in dan tian cannot be confused with such a perversion.

[Ya Mu]

We need to differentiate between organ breathing and breathing in various parts of the body. There are several reasons why you will want to breath in a particular part of the body. But the first and foremost is to awaken that part.

Imagine you are the director of a chorus. Yes you want all to sing, but if someone is not singing you ask him to sing alone. Then in small groups, and then to join the chorus. That's a good reason. There are of course others.

You need to reach full body breathing, and parts that are not awake will not join the chorus.

 

Organ breathing is generally good as a form of massage. But again you will eventually want to practice each organ alone and then all together.

 

Oh, I do understand why we at times may need to send ENERGY to a particular organ, although if one's practice is balancing as in a balanced methodology usually there is simply no need. What I object to here is the constant reference to breathing. We breathe air into our lungs. One can't breath air into an organ. Or if anyone can point to science that shows that air can be breathed into an organ besides the lungs and why this is beneficial I will stand corrected. This attempt by so many to tie in breathing and Qi is a kindergarden method of directing energy through a finite visualization process which is not even close to the efficiency in utilizing energy in a direct manner. Instead, why not just send energy wherever one wants it? Better still, why practice unbalanced methods so that there is a need to do this? If one actually can pull in energy into the body through all the pores of the body, this goes to all the organs as well, invigorating each organ. Absolutely no need to unbalance the body at this point. I would also point to FIZIX's post about what happens when filling lower dan tian. All of this happens in a natural and safe manner. The only time I can really see a need for this directing of energy into specific organs is if a person begins a practice unhealthy and unbalanced and a prescriptive medical qigong exercise for a particular organ is given.

 

I am not attempting to turn this into some type of argument; just attempting to make a subtle point about energy. Of course air has qi in it and of course visualization methods do work, although in a limited manner. I am attempting to point to the difference in efficiency of direct methods versus adding another finite variable (breath in this case) to the equation.

I certainly understand your view of the sex practices.

 

LITTLE1:

Why the not so subtle jab at a teacher's looks? If you are commenting on Kumar I would love to see the look on your face when you see how fast that (old and large and aged) man can move. Dang, we ALL get older - even you someday. People's conceptions of what a person should look like is really funny. We come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and ages. If you want to disagree with his methods then that is fair game.

 

SANTI:

I agree with you 100% about the sex practices. People wholly miss the boat; it is about the ENERGY itself.

[Creation]

Oh, I do understand why we at times may need to send ENERGY to a particular organ, although if one's practice is balancing as in a balanced methodology usually there is simply no need. What I object to here is the constant reference to breathing. We breathe air into our lungs. One can't breath air into an organ. Or if anyone can point to science that shows that air can be breathed into an organ besides the lungs and why this is beneficial I will stand corrected. This attempt by so many to tie in breathing and Qi is a kindergarden method of directing energy through a finite visualization process which is not even close to the efficiency in utilizing energy in a direct manner. Instead, why not just send energy wherever one wants it? Better still, why practice unbalanced methods so that there is a need to do this? If one actually can pull in energy into the body through all the pores of the body, this goes to all the organs as well, invigorating each organ. Absolutely no need to unbalance the body at this point.

I would love to hear what you have to say in reply to this Pietro. Indeed, what exactly do you mean when you speak of breathing with a particular area of the body? When you breathe with your big toe, what are you doing? What things are happening on the physical and energetic level when you do this, and how is it related to intending energy to go to that particular area (which is only one half of the cycle anyway)? How about when you breathe with your dan tien?

 

Michael,

It seems cynical to me to suggest that the 3 week intensive on breathing Frantzis is teaching is no more than a contrived and kindergarten way of learning to bring energy into the body. There has to be more to it than that.

Edited July 27, 2010 by Creation