3bob Posted August 15, 2010 T.T.C. 13. Â "Welcome disgrace as a pleasant surprise. Prize calamities as your own body." Â Why should we "welcome disgrace as a pleasant surprise"? Because a lowly state is a boon: Getting it is a pleasant surprise, And so is losing it! That is why we should "welcome disgrace as a pleasant surprise." Â Why should we "prize calamities as our own body"? Because our body is the very source of our calamities. If we have no body, what calamities can we have? Â Hence, only he who is willing to give his body for the sake of the world is fit to be entrusted with the world. Only he who can do it with love is worthy of being the steward of the world". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 15, 2010 Okay. So, do you want to talk about this chapter or are you just reinforcing a thought of your own? Hehehe. Â Actually, there are a couple concepts in that chapter that could be discussed if anyone is interested. Â Peace & Love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tao99 Posted August 15, 2010 Ah, Tzu and Tao, two of my favorite topics. My favorite translator is Wing Tsit Chan. But I also compare him with many other translaters, including  Beck Lindauer Blackney LinYutang Bynner Mabry Byrn McDonald Chan Merel Cleary Mitchell Crowley Muller Feng-English Red Pine Ganson Rosenthal Gibbs Ta Kao Hansen Walker Headless Wayism Kiyoashi Wieger LaFargue Legge  They all can be found at http://www.wayist.org/ttc%20compared/index.htm  This way an English speaker gets a better idea of the differing possibilities as well as similarities.   TTC 13 (trans W.T. Chan) 13.1 Be apprehensive when receiving favour or disgrace. Regard great trouble as seriously as you regard your body.  13.2 What is meant by being apprehensive when receiving favour or disgrace? Favour is considered inferior. Be apprehensive when you receive them and also be apprehensive when you lose them. This is what is meant by being apprehensive when receiving favour or disgrace.  13.3 What does it mean to regard great trouble as seriously as you regard your body? The reason why I have great trouble is that I have a body (and am attached to it). If I have no body, What trouble could I have?  13.4 Therefore he who values the world as his body may be entrusted with the empire. He who loves the world as his body may be entrusted with the empire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 15, 2010 Favor and disgrace are given to us by others. Anything given to us by others can be snatched away just as esily as it was given. When we become dependant upon what others give us we will always be at their mercy and we will never find inner peace and contentment. Â Indeed, in Taoism, valuing one's Self is of great importance. Kinda' like respect: if we do not respect ourself there will be very few who will respect us. On the other hand, if we show we can be trusted others will trust in us. Â Peace & Love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites