Hymen Reconstruction Surgery on rise in China

[voidisyinyang]

[voidisyinyang]

My, my... To reproduce the ritualism of a woman's deflowering...I am confounded...

 

drew, this part of the article I find, well...

 

 

Imagine if the two year old cell phone could press your buttons...

 

Oh no doubt -- and the chi transmissions give old ladies climaxes. Modern males are retarded -- oops that term is banned now. Hey if you want virgin sex tragedy watch the documentary on child prostitutes in Brazil -- http://esoterictube.com -- 250,000 child prostitutes -- a BBC documentary.

[goldisheavy]

Still in the West virginity is considered much more valuable as well:

 

http://www.disinfo.com/2010/02/new-zealand-student-sells-virginity-for-45000/

 

Bullshit. In the West no one wants to fuck a virgin, since it's a chore. It's uncomfortable for the girl. She doesn't enjoy herself fully for the first week, and if you're the type of person who can't enjoy sex unless both people enjoy it, this really puts a damper on things. Plus a virgin has to be taught everything about sex, which is good and bad. It's good because you can custom teach the girl to your liking, but it's bad because teaching is not always easy and it can sometimes be boring.

 

So let me explain this sale of virginity. The guy wants sex. The guy doesn't really want virginity. If an attractive lady was selling herself, there would be takers no matter what. The whole virginity thing increased the number of bidders due to all the media hoopla the angle has created. Increasing the number of bidders led to a bidding war which led to the higher price. You must also consider that a lot of the bidders likely view themselves as the champions of the poor or some crap like that. They think "I will enable this girl to get an education. I am a good guy." So the idea of charity plus the idea of guaranteed sex is what drives this. It's like high class prostitution combined with charity. I have nothing against the prostitutes (assuming they make efforts to stay clean), but please, don't BS us about virginity being valuable.

Edited August 18, 2010 by goldisheavy

[voidisyinyang]

[gendao]

So let me explain this sale of virginity. The guy wants sex. The guy doesn't really want virginity. If an attractive lady was selling herself, there would be takers no matter what. The whole virginity thing increased the number of bidders due to all the media hoopla the angle has created. Increasing the number of bidders led to a bidding war which led to the higher price. You must also consider that a lot of the bidders likely view themselves as the champions of the poor or some crap like that. They think "I will enable this girl to get an education. I am a good guy." So the idea of charity plus the idea of guaranteed sex is what drives this. It's like high class prostitution combined with charity. I have nothing against the prostitutes (assuming they make efforts to stay clean), but please, don't BS us about virginity being valuable.

Not quite true.

 

It's deep-programmed evo psych for men to also instinctually prefer mating with women with as few previous partners as possible. Because this minimizes both the chances of her carrying STDs or another man's baby. Either of these risks spell disaster (cuckolding or poor health/death) for a man. And it's also often hoped that a woman with fewer partners - would be less likely to cheat on him in the future, as well.

 

So, a virgin female is merely the furthest end on this spectrum. The point being, a man is going to naturally prefer a woman who's had fewer partners (whether it's 0 or 4 vs 10 to 1000). Less is always generally better due to statistical risk reduction.

 

 

Anyhow, criticisms of China's more conservative sexual mores are flat-out ridiculous coming from a bankrupt welfare country where the single mother birth rate is now 40% (and over 70% in the Black community). Seriously, feminists think that men preferring women with fewer partners is "barbaric," but 70% of babies being born to single baby mamas is not??? Anddd...this is exactly why this country is FAILing!

Edited August 18, 2010 by vortex

[Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that]

I've known girls here who's virginity went 'bye bye' a long time ago simply give their 'first time' to their new bf when they are coming off their period! The guys here don't know any different

 

I don't blame them, many will treat the girl much better than if she wasn't a virgin...and god help any guy who tries to leave a Chinese girl when he's taken her virginity!! Think 'prison break'!

[voidisyinyang]

Someone blogged on this rise of reconstructed hymens in China article and got blasted with comments -- a heated discussion!! http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/08/value-of-virginity.html

 

One comment links this book:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Virgin-Untouched-History-Hanne-Blank/dp/B001G8W5W6/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1282100630&sr=1-1-spell

 

For Blank, virginity is a social invention designed above all to control women; its connection to virtue flourishes in the fantasies of fathers, suitors, priests and pornographers. In the first part of the book, Blank gives a detailed account of the fetishized and numinous hymen. A puny ring or flap in the vulva, it remained unseen until the 16th century. But its appeal did not fade under the new scientific gaze; the anatomist Helkiah Crooke, for example, turned to the language of a love sonnet to describe his findings ("All these particles together make the form of the cup of a little rose half blowne"). However, even after physicians were able to inspect the interior of a woman's body, Blank is clear that sexual experience cannot be deduced from its condition, as some women have hymens that grow back after childbirth, while others have no obstruction to speak of and do not bleed during their "first time." The author therefore expresses her strongest indignation at the long, cruel story of virginity tests, when "women may not speak for themselves" and the one person who knows the truth of the case cannot make herself heard. Over the centuries, women have conspired to provide the evidence and stain the bridal sheets not because the bride wasn't innocent but because, as Blank makes clear, the dramatic rupturing of the hymen is a fable.

Edited August 19, 2010 by drewhempel

[Ramon25]

Well I kind of agree with GIH a little on this one. I dont like having sex with virgins. Bring on the freaks seriosly tho it is about control and male insecurty/superiority complex thing going on. i like women to be equals in all things, sex is also one of those For sure...

[voidisyinyang]

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/316/7129/459

 

During this century many immigrants from Mediterranean and African countries have moved to western Europe.1 Second and third generations often face a conflict. They may follow the lifestyle of the new country and friends but have to remain mindful of the original traditions and attitudes of their families.

 

Many immigrant groups hold strongly with the tradition that girls must be virgins when they marry. If the bride cannot show her bloody sheet after the wedding night, her family are shamed. Her new husband's family may exact revenge in the form of violent reprisals and banishment of the bride. Because of these far reaching consequences, many gynaecologists in the Netherlands are willing to reconstruct the hymens of adolescent girls who are no longer virgins but wish to appear so.

 

So hymen reconstruction is considered related to female genital circumcision --

 

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/546497

 

Other Forms of FGC

 

Hymen reconstruction. As many as 2% of Guatemalan women have undergone a unique form of FGC involving hymen reconstruction locally known as "intimate surgery." [30] The procedure is costly (up to US $1000), usually carried out by poorly trained medical practitioners and without adequate informed consent, and often leads to infections, hemorrhage, incontinence, fistulas, and extreme dyspareunia.

 

Guatemala has dismal reproductive healthcare, with high levels of maternal and infant mortality and low levels of knowledge about (and use of) contraception. This situation is a consequence of a conservative government; a powerful, vocal, and authoritative Catholic Church; and cuts in US family planning aid, resulting from the political ideology of the current administration.[31,32]

 

The expectation that girls will be virgins at the time of marriage (which sometimes requires blood evidence for confirmation on the wedding night) has led to an increase in anal sex and, for women who have lost their virginity, desperation sufficient to lead them to undergo hymen reconstruction to avoid rejection by their communities and the economic hardships that such rejection and the single life entail. Despite strong opposition from the president and the Catholic Church, the Guatemalan legislature recently passed a law designed to strengthen family planning programs, which will hopefully help to decrease the practice of hymen reconstruction.[33]

 

Apparently "vaginal relaxation" is touted as a medical problem also solved, in part, with hymen reconstruction:

 

http://www.jendajournal.com/vol1.1/dvagina.html

 

Designer vaginoplasty, and another of Matlock’s services--hymen reconstruction-- are considered elective surgeries. Only if there is a functional problem like prolapse or stress urinary incontinence will a patient be covered by insurance for the surgery, which costs between $4,000 and $8,000.

 

In Matlock’s office on a recent day is a 56-year-old Filipina whose English is not strong. She is here because of the eye-catching ads she has seen. Matlock’s ads-- featuring a luscious young thing in a bikini who looks like she’s in the throes of orgasm-- appear frequently in local papers.

 

The older woman has checked off on Matlock’s brochure problems she wants corrected--stress urinary incontinence and labia minora she feels are too big. “I have no problem with sexual gratification,” she laughs shyly. Matlock explains the surgical procedures, pointing to a plastic diagram of the female organs. He repeatedly rolls out his catch phrases, like “laser vaginal rejuvenation for the enhancement of sexual gratification” and “designer laser vaginoplasty.”

 

This medical oversight, which has delayed the development of a female Viagra pill, is also responsible for the lack of recognition for “designer vaginas.” The road to female liberation and equality may seem to have veered a bit and some may debate that a woman’s self esteem should not lie between her legs. Yet, if advances in medical science can aid a man’s sexual life, why not a woman’s? Is this not what the fight for equality is all about?

 

The good news is, the fight looks like it’s heading towards a climax. Dr. Stubbs’ practice is thriving and he boasts a high percentage rate of satisfied women – a brave claim for any man.

Edited August 19, 2010 by drewhempel

[Pietro]

women are not supposed to speak in public around men -- not speak first at least -- much less flirt and hit on men (unless they're prostitutes)...

 

I wonder if we could find a middle ground here.

Like women not speaking too much but being allowed to flirt with the eyes .

 

Personally I find to be a lot of work to go with older women, they have a lot of bad experiences that make having sex with them a gymkhana or a long prolonged healing process. WTF!

This I will not do because 5 bf ago, because my 3rd bf always wanted to do it in this way, and then there was that one time when ... and so ... and as a result... and I felt... and even after... . So now I don't do ..., ..., ..., and of course ... .

 

Meditators are a bit different, but even them, not all.

[Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that]

 

Personally I find to be a lot of work to go with older women, they have a lot of bad experiences that make having sex with them a gymkhana or a long prolonged healing process. WTF!

This I will not do because 5 bf ago, because my 3rd bf always wanted to do it in this way, and then there was that one time when ... and so ... and as a result... and I felt... and even after... . So now I don't do ..., ..., ..., and of course ... .

 

 

Thank God! I thought it was only me who had been there!!!!

 

To be honest though I have no particular preference anymore, I quite enjoy the healing process part...although that can be hard work...seems worth it in the end, they go off a bit happier at least.

 

On the other hand trying to have a decent conversation with someone with little world experience can be a serious drag too.

 

Ho hum, every coin has two sides.... but it still holds its value.

[Enishi]

Personally I have no real interest in dating virgins over other women, but part of that is because I also have no interest in having kids (neither does my partner) and may get a vasectomy.

 

Greater experience in terms of physical technique is kind of nice, but I think that its far less important than many men and women want to think. FAR more important than that is openness to your partner, good chi and physical/mental relaxation. If someone has too many past sexual relationships which ended badly, it can leave skeletons in the closet which either kill the aforementioned openness, or creates neurotic tendencies that lead to arguments, drama and stress in other areas. On the flip side, men who have been with virgins have told me they usually aren't very relaxed or open, at least not in the beginning.

 

So basically, wanting someone who doesn't have lots of hangups and skeletons in their closet from past breakups (or lack of experience in some cases) is not a matter of trying to be the EVIL MAN and control someone, but rather, to avoid stress and unneeded drama/suffering.

[Birch]

Bring on the freaks seriosly tho it is about control and male insecurty/superiority complex thing

 

Alright!

 

[rain]

http://www.aolnews.c...uction/19596705

 

But, also, of course, alchemy relies on storing up male sex energy -- and then the chi electromagnetic energy is naturally sucked up by females....

 

I seriously think this has been grocely oversimplified and has led to a grave halt in human spiritual development.

Funny this thread should come up today, I have been seriously contemplating on ditching the whole qigong scheme, not because of the exercises per se, they are logic enough if you realize that it is about positive and negative ions and energy cultivated in your body. But when it gets down to joining the communities around these eastern methods..I puke. I puke when I read about fixing the hymens.

I am a woman and I know that when fucked (by a man) I loose creative energetic potential.

And you know WHY? because this freakin estupido notion of only men loosing something has caused the world to believe that women are objects to be taken (from). This complex in male psyche make men so neurotic and difficult in bed, almost impossible to comunicate with ..so boring..so controlling..so uptight.

those suckers or should I say energetic vampires who treat women as objects do nothing but

drain us. think of the young leftbrained intellectuals with mothercomplexes, neurotic casanovas,

using deranged tantra and "kunlun cherche le famme" as an excuse. Makes me sick to the core.

[三江源]

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Edited July 23, 2014 by cat

[rain]

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Yes.. when I read Pietro's post I felt sad about male unconsciousness too. The women he speaks of are fully aware of their need for sexual healing, of their limits that they want to overcome... and then there are the men, not knowing their damage, not recognising their limits, wanting sex to be the way they think it should be, according to their script. Unable to be fully present to sexual reality in the moment, blinded by their own limits. I feel that I have done so much sexual healing for men who are open and responsive, but then the 'controlling' and 'impossible to communicate with' ones just render the possibility for creative sexual flow utterly dead.

 

I can fully see why men would want virgins/women who dont know what is going on sexually.

 

Thank you for highlighting the core of this message Cat, I was counting on you.

Let's hope the guys in this forum have had so much sexual healing that they understand.

[Mokona]

I am humbled and thankful for the women in my life.

 

Although I will continue to terrorize my younger sisters, its my job as the older brother.

[voidisyinyang]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1304481/Iron-Lady-The-mother-magnetic-

metal-objects-stick-45-MINUTES.html?ITO=1490

 

 

What this thread needs is the Magnetic Lady

 

However, the 50-year-old mother-of-one says she first noticed the effects of her magnetism when she was in a nursery school. As she grew up she started to keep a diary and realised the magnetic pulses were strongest at the end of each menstrual cycle.....

 

'When I was a child we constantly had the TV repair man round because I had interfered with the electronics in some way.

 

'And they gave up buying me watches because they would just stop.'

 

It was only earlier this year that Miss Allison discovered that metal objects would stay on her skin when she placed them there. Her body can emit a negative or positive charge, depending on the time of the month. This means she will repel some objects and attract others, and vice versa, depending on the charge.

 

She added: 'Metal objects don't fly towards me, but when I put them close to my skin I can feel a pull.

 

'They tend to stay on for longer if they are near a bone - I don't know why.

 

'They can stay on me for up to 45 minutes without me touching them. Sometimes I feel like a fridge covered with magnets.

 

'My son has grown up with my magnetism so he finds it normal. But he did used to complain when it stopped his battery-operated toys from working.'

 

Kathy Geminiani, an electrotherapy expert, said it is possible that Miss Allison has a stronger charge in her body.

 

She said: 'Everyone has a charge, all slightly different. It sounds like Brenda is highly charged.'

[Brian]

...

[voidisyinyang]

LMAO I love it!!!

 

What SHE needs is a way cool costume! She oughta contact Stan Lee and see if he can hook her up -- they probably have some leftover from the Superhero show. Maybe something along these lines?

 

 

Yeah Stan Lee already had a "magnetic" person from China but then they did the science tests and discovered it wasn't electromagnetic but actually some genetic anomaly causing super smooth skin which created a super strong suction.

 

Superhumans is a great show -- last nights episode was sweet -- again the science tests are the best part in my opinion. The dude with the super skull had a rare super thick skull proved by MRI. The amazing singer had a super big epiglotis got on camera by a throat expert. The dude who run forever had some ability to lower his lactic acid levels.