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[Maddie]

The Jews are human beings but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts (Baba Mecia 114,6)

 

Jahova created the non jew in human form so that the jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non jew is consequently an animal in human form and comanded to serve the jew day and night. (Midrasch Talpioth p225)

 

A gentile girl who is three years old can be violated. (Aboda sarah 37a)

 

A jew may do to a non jewess what he can do he may treat her as he treats a peice of meat. (Hadarine 20b)

 

A jew is permitted to rape, cheat and perjure himself but he must take care that he is not found out so that Isreal may not suffer. (Schulchan aruch)

 

Jews may rob and kill non jews, what a jew steals for a gentile he may keep. (Sanhedrin 57a)

 

A girl at the age of three years may be betrothed by sexual intercourse. (Mishnah)

 

A heratic gentile you maay kill out right with your own hands. (abodah zara 4b)

 

Jesus is being boiled in hot excrament. Jesus mother was a whore and played the harlot with carpenters. (gittin 57a)

 

To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all the jews for if they knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly. (libbie David 47)

 

That sounds like the kind of stuff Hitler and his pals would make up

[shaolin]

Check the history of the founding fathers, Abraham Lincon , George Washington.

 

They brought the masonic ideals from europe to the US.

 

Just look at the dollar bill, check its history and symbolism

 

Illuminate means the enlightened ones, thats why there is the all seeing eye and the owl, ( wise old owl) on the dollar bill. Plus Nuvo order secularum . New secualr world order.

 

Those who know are enlightened and those who do not are manipulated.

 

The symbolism on the dollar and what it says was done on purpose and with a purpose.

[mantis]

Conspiracy theories.

 

This is my last post in this thread.

[Sunya]

Check the history of the founding fathers, Abraham Lincon , George Washington.

 

They brought the masonic ideals from europe to the US.

 

Just look at the dollar bill, check its history and symbolism

 

Illuminate means the enlightened ones, thats why there is the all seeing eye and the owl, ( wise old owl) on the dollar bill. Plus Nuvo order secularum . New secualr world order.

 

Those who know are enlightened and those who do not are manipulated.

 

The symbolism on the dollar and what it says was done on purpose and with a purpose.

 

Interesting quotes from the Talmud. I didn't realize it was that screwed up, and am quite happy to learn that since I'm more and more disidentifying with Judaism given that I was raised with it. That still does not prove that Jews are terrible people. They don't go blowing themselves up nor do they aim to take over the world and convert everyone to their religion. I say let them keep their elitist club if they want and I see no reason why they should give up Israel given that they allow anyone to live there and worship freely.

 

About your conspiracy theories, even if they are true I don't mind. A secular world order sounds great to me and I have nothing to fear since those ideals are very agreeable. The world will eventually need one secular government. Though I hardly believe that a social fraternity is actually where world leaders meet to discuss how they can take over the world.

[shaolin]

One of the places they meet is Bohemien Grove at the Cremation Of Care ritual, check it out.

 

I have many friends who are jewish, one is an orthodox rabbi, he's the one who explained some things I mentioned.

 

Not all Jews accept the talmud.

 

When we look at these things, there are obviously some things that are off the wall, but the basis, of there being an elite, that have their own interests which are different to those of the ordinary member of the public is a reality.

 

Money talks. Election campaigns need lots of money, lots of donations. Millions.

This money is not given for free, its used to influence polticians and their legislation, as well as their business deals. This is one way that individuals are able to heavily influence politics.

 

Rothschilds were able to dominate the international banking system and influence governments. How did they get in that position?

 

Do a little research and you will see some serious stuff from many different sources. If it doesnt make sense then dont believe it. But make an informed decision before you write it off.

 

When Obama was out campaigning, he was given lots of large donations. He need them. Now he is bound by a debt of obligation to work in favour of his sponsors, like every other "democratic" world leader.

 

Secularism and the new world order is the ultimate aim of the elite. They work on this through democracy.

 

But anyone who looks at democracy will see that it is nothing more than a theory and does not exist. Its used to give the illusion of people making their own legislation, in reality they dont.

 

Especially here in the UK. Millions went out and demonstrated against the war in Iraq, as they did in the 80's about star wars and the nuclear arms race. The government did not listen.

 

In our unwritten constitution there is something called the "royal Perogative" which means that in matters relating to national interest, the Government can do as it wants. This is a dictatorship with the illusion of democracy.

 

Look at what happened when democracy was brought to Gaza. They voted for Hamas, woops! "Lets boycot them and not deal with them. Its not in our interest. Lets continue to deal with the loosers of the democratic election, Fatah and the PLO. So what that the people dont want them". = civil war in 2006.

 

Democracy is a tool used to overthrow governments and start revolutions, like the orange revolution we saw in Ukrain , that was backed by UK and US, and the attempted revolution in Iran that was also supported by the same countries.

 

If there was real democracy people would leave each other alone instead of occupy them. Its all economics and natural resources. Take them by force or by trickery.

[ralis]

That still does not prove that Jews are terrible people. They don't go blowing themselves up nor do they aim to take over the world and convert everyone to their religion. I say let them keep their elitist club if they want and I see no reason why they should give up Israel given that they allow anyone to live there and worship freely.

 

 

 

Then you don't understand the real situation in Gaza and what the Israeli army is doing. War crimes are committed against the Palestinian people!

 

This is a documentary on atrocities being committed. I watched the movie and was horrified!

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0329112/

 

ralis

 

 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2010 by ralis

[Sunya]

Secularism and the new world order is the ultimate aim of the elite. They work on this through democracy.

 

And that's a bad thing? I don't see how. If there was one secular government then we wouldn't have territorial disputes or religious wars or even wars over resources. I admire their efforts, but I hope by that time the people on Earth, and especially those in power, are much more educated and spiritually evolved.

[Sunya]

Then you don't understand the real situation in Gaza and what the Israeli army is doing. War crimes are committed against the Palestinian people!

 

This is a documentary on atrocities being committed. I watched the movie and was horrified!

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0329112/

 

ralis

 

 

Maybe instead of being horrified you should have been more inquisitive...

 

http://freeisraelnow.wordpress.com/2007/08/16/palestinian-fake-images-industry-fake-photo-video-industry-dont-ever-believe-their-images-pallywood/

 

Lots of faked videos showing "Israeli terrorism" -- though I am not saying that it's all green pastures and daisys over there. Ever wonder why these Arabs don't just move and go somewhere else if it's so bad? Like I mentioned earlier, the majority of Arabs immigrated there very recently so they are not native to the region. Why not just leave? Because they are brainwashed by leaders to stay there. These leaders don't give a shit about the people, they will use them by any means necessary to bring sympathy to the 'cause' -- Ever wonder why Egypt doesn't just accept their "Muslim brothers" in the Gaza strip and help them out? It's all politics. Muslims in Egypt, Iran, Lebanon, and other places will say Damn those jews look at what they are doing to our people! But are they helping their people? No. They need them in that position so that naive people like you feel sympathy for them and hatred for those bad Israelis trying to defend themselves.

[lino]

The Jews are human beings but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts (Baba Mecia 114,6)

 

Jahova created the non jew in human form so that the jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non jew is consequently an animal in human form and comanded to serve the jew day and night. (Midrasch Talpioth p225)

 

A gentile girl who is three years old can be violated. (Aboda sarah 37a)

 

A jew may do to a non jewess what he can do he may treat her as he treats a peice of meat. (Hadarine 20b)

 

A jew is permitted to rape, cheat and perjure himself but he must take care that he is not found out so that Isreal may not suffer. (Schulchan aruch)

 

Jews may rob and kill non jews, what a jew steals for a gentile he may keep. (Sanhedrin 57a)

 

A girl at the age of three years may be betrothed by sexual intercourse. (Mishnah)

 

A heratic gentile you maay kill out right with your own hands. (abodah zara 4b)

 

Jesus is being boiled in hot excrament. Jesus mother was a whore and played the harlot with carpenters. (gittin 57a)

 

To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all the jews for if they knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly. (libbie David 47)

 

These "rules" will get them fucked up.

 

There is no true gentile, for the exception of one person.

 

The Talmud, Bible, and Quran are all Vedic Documents.

 

Pedophilia is one of the hits on Kundalini.

 

A "relationship" between a gentile and a Vedic person

goes to a "strange flesh" requirement for Kundalini.

 

If the wrong "gentile" is attacked then a person could

be in for a huge world of hurt.

 

The document that those rules were on were meant to set

up a person for failure.

[shaolin]

There will never be a New World Secular Order, because mans nature is to worship something.

 

They have just made the new religion democracy and consumerism, and the new "God" money.

 

It is worshipped by people loving it, relying on it, protecting it, judging people by it, striving for it , sacrificing for it, making friends for it, and delclaring enemies for it.

[shaolin]

Many Palestinians try to leave Gaza, but most do not even have freedom to travel.

 

Israels blockade stops vital foodstuffs and medicines reaching Gaza, so some in Egypt dug tunnels under the border in the Sinai desert to smuggle them it. On Israels request , the Egyptian government pumped toxic gas to kill the smugglers.

 

Many people who really know whats going on are against the actions of Israel, including the UN. But they are powerless to do more than complain. Why? because of its strong arm ally the US.

 

The Neo cons, and the pro Israeli lobby, including the Friends Of Israel heavily influence US foreign policy.

Britian is an Ally of US and also a leading member of the EU, which brings the EU alliance in to it too.

 

Now that Arab world is also in the same alliance. There is an uneasy co dependence between two very different and mistrusting nations who have mutual interests even though they are worlds apart.

 

Before the discovery of oil, Saudi Arabia had nothing, not even water. Just sand , camels and dates. Now its got lots of oil but nothing to drink, so it trades with one of the worlds larges oil consumers the US.

 

With the revenue (besides pissing it up on gold cars, silver plains, escorts and villas in Monaco)they import goods in to Saudi Arabia.

 

They have an uneasy alliance based on mutual dependance. So, everyone must bite their tongue and look the other way. To be too against Israel would result in Israel putting pressure on the US which would damage international relations. Saudi Arabia has a week army, as does Egypt (they both rely on US), Iraq is a US puppet government, so that just leaves Iran ( which, despite its rhetoric, is an ally with the US , in that it is against egypt and Saudi Arabia, and froms a shia block with Syria and Iraq).

 

Many people from all over the world wanted to go and fight against Israel to defend the thousands of civillians killed two yeasr ago, when Iseral tried to destroy Hamas and the Gaza strip, but the arab countries stopped them. Thats why.

[shaolin]

I wont be adding any more to this thread, I apologise for my poor rushed typing!

 

Just keep an open mind and check both sides to a story and verify everything. Its not about blame, its about finding the truth.

 

All the best.

[Mal]

I personaly have not read this thread at all, but the moderators have been asked to move it to off topic and agreed.

 

I'm told that, given the subject matter, the discussion has been very civil. So I would like to thank all participants.

 

Good discussions are what we want to encourage here at TTB So please keep this thread going in that spirit in this new location if you wish.

 

--Mod Squad

[thelerner]

The Jews are human beings but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts (Baba Mecia 114,6)

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For those of you who said Shaolin's cut and paste comments on the Talmud sound like propaganda and something written by Hitler, you're right. Its a lie.

 

Shaolin, I don't know you, but before you regurgitate hateful lies, you should check them out. No Jew I know of believes or was taught the things you mention. In the name of what is right, find out facts before spreading hatred. Take a look at these sites, do fact checking beyond rascist oness.

 

Education ends prejudice. I like the Mideastweb.org because there are good people there on both sides who work for peace. There are many people working for peace and justice, unfortunately its those who spread hate that get all the press.

 

One of the problems is that in some ways the Talmud was the internet of its day, with conversations and commentaries running through generations. Some of it religious, other pieces are legalistic (often in excruciating detail, which causes problems), it also contains stories, legends and hundreds of subjects from astrology to zoology. Its huge, written over centuries with the opinions and thoughts of 100's.

 

The garbage on antisemitic sites has quotes taken out of context or purposely mistranslated. They quote books that don't exist etc. In many cases its one bigot quoting another mindlessly.

 

Taken in total the Talmud is actually a pretty tolerant book (!) considering the time it was written. There is some solid wisdom in it. If you have a chance to study it with an experienced Rabbi, you'd be impressed. You'll find racism in there, but you'll find more calls for tolerance and justice. For every writer who look down on gentiles you'll find many more who preach the oneness of mankind, even using non Jews as examples of what good people should be.

 

 

 

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/

 

http://www.sinaicentral.com/jewhaters/defending_the_talmud.htm

 

http://www.mideastweb.org/jewreligion.htm

 

If you have the patience to read a short 14 page pdf

http://www.chabadtalk.com/forum/attachment.php3?attachmentid=1424&d=1265588916

 

 

Every religion faces the kind of smear Shaolin cut and pasted. I was disgusted by the writings Goldisheavy posted about Islam and Moslems, but it inspired me to learn more, look deeper. I studied and gained new respect for Islam.

Shaolin wrote "keep an open mind and check both sides to a story and verify everything. Its not about blame, its about finding the truth." Good advice, I hope he takes it himself.

 

 

 

Michael

 

 

Let me add, its best to get beyond sound bites on both sides of an argument. If you want to get a feeling for the Ethics in the Talmud, read the ethics section (duh!!). Google Ethics of Our Fathers (or Perkei Avot) go beyond sound bite clippings.

 

I'd also suggest reading up on the giants of the Talmud: Hillel(30bc to 10ad)- who when asked if he could explain Judiasm while standing on one foot said: "What you yourself hate, don't do to your neighbor. This is the whole law; the rest is commentary. Go and study." as well as: "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am not for others, what am I? And if not now, when?"

 

Rabbi Akiva (50-132ad) was a similar man of genius of piety. Seminal in the Judaic learning of the time. To study him is to get a feeling for the ideals of Jewish thinking of the time.

 

If you're Christian, the ethics of Jesus were grounded in the Judiasm of his time. He didn't preach against Jews having sex w/ 3 year olds (or the other charges) because they didn't. He may have been moving away from a strict codifications of Judiasm, but not its ethical system which informed his teachings.