Military Training

[mantis]

What caused you not to be selected, shaolin, or did you give up?

 

As for training the military in general prefers an endurance build, start running one mile every other day at the slowest pace you can possibly manage (you should be able to have a conversation while running, easily). After two weeks do 2/1/1/1, another week 2/1/2/1, etc. and slowly work yourself up to a good 20 miles a week; this will take care of your cardio.

 

You won't be expected to do too many push ups as a female but doing static holds will do you a world of good as well as partial reps. Pavel Tsatsouline was spot on when he recommended a lot of sets spread throughout the day, never going to failure. If you can do 5 push ups max, do 3 on the hour every hour.

 

I can't say I am surprised this forum is so anti-military, but what's the big deal with wanting some adventure and action? Not everyone's idea of a fulfilled life is living to 80 well preserved and all healthy, we're all going out one day anyway, might as well do what you like.

[goldisheavy]

Pavel Tsatsouline was spot on when he recommended a lot of sets spread throughout the day, never going to failure. If you can do 5 push ups max, do 3 on the hour every hour.

 

Two thumbs up for this! This is a well known approach in Russia. Pavel is just the guy who popularized it outside of Russia. Still, Pavel is cool and I respect him a lot, don't get me wrong. Just be careful not to give him too much credit.

[Aetherous]

I can't say I am surprised this forum is so anti-military, but what's the big deal with wanting some adventure and action? Not everyone's idea of a fulfilled life is living to 80 well preserved and all healthy, we're all going out one day anyway, might as well do what you like.

 

Are you in?

[mantis]

Two thumbs up for this! This is a well known approach in Russia. Pavel is just the guy who popularized it outside of Russia. Still, Pavel is cool and I respect him a lot, don't get me wrong. Just be careful not to give him too much credit.

 

Yeah I was waiting for someone to come in and drop a little more information on it. Thanks.

 

Oh and just to pour a little gasoline on the fire

 

John 15:13

 

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

 

 

EDIT: Just saw your post Scotty, no, why?

Edited August 20, 2010 by mantis

[Aetherous]

mantis,

 

On second thought, I am choosing not to get into it. When it comes to this subject, I can just go off, and it won't look good. You don't deserve to be ranted at from me.

 

Said what needed to be said, so I'm leaving this topic alone.

 

_/\_

[ralis]

I'm applying to be a clinical psychologist for the Navy. They will pay for my tuition, pay me officer salary while i'm in school, pay for me to get licensed, and then give me a nice job where I will be able to, hopefully, help the many soldiers who truly need psychotherapy. I think it will be a rewarding experience and I look forward to it. In the end, I will retire by 50 and then maybe open up a meditation retreat center somewhere in the mountains.

 

My advice is to go to college first and enter in as an officer. Also, make sure you know exactly what you want to do in the military. They treat their health corps members very well (doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists, dentists, etc.) and will pay you to go to medical school. If money isn't a problem, there are still good reasons. As mentioned, you get trained to be a confident leader and you're part of a community who looks out for each other. That can be a nice feeling.

 

Military certainly isn't for everyone. If you're a very individualistic person who can't bear the thought of following orders, then it probably isn't for you. Same goes for those who want a lot of control deciding where they live. Personally I would enjoy moving around and living on bases.

 

 

I thought you were wanting to obtain a PhD in religion? The military is no gravy train and there are no guarantees once you sign up!

 

 

ralis

[Guest paul walter]

Part of me has been yelling at myself those exact words and to just go to the University of Minnesota and major in Pre-biosystems engineering and bio-based products like I had planned. Then I thought about my mother, she was in the army and it has set her up for so many good things. She is now a nurse and a strong smart woman like I want to be.

I want to join either the Air Guard which is more about helping than hurting or the Airforce where I would become an Aerospace engineer.

 

 

It's truly agonising the choices we are forced to make in this life. Mom.

[mantis]

mantis,

 

On second thought, I am choosing not to get into it. When it comes to this subject, I can just go off, and it won't look good. You don't deserve to be ranted at from me.

 

Said what needed to be said, so I'm leaving this topic alone.

 

_/\_

 

I won't take it personally and I know you're a good guy, have at it.

[Sunya]

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/8/29/psychologist_author_mary_pipher_returns_apa

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/8/military_psychologists_face_complaints_with_licensing

 

Thanks for the quotes, interesting stuff. not sure how I feel about it really. I won't be in that situation though. You do have some choice as a medical officer over what you do. I'll hopefully be researching the efficacy of mindfulness for anxiety,depression, and PTSD for my doctorate and will work in that area.

[Sunya]

I thought you were wanting to obtain a PhD in religion? The military is no gravy train and there are no guarantees once you sign up!

 

 

ralis

 

I was going to but there are no jobs in that racket at all, plus I want to be more pragmatic about how I help others. Simply teaching them theory won't really get to most people. After I learned that 'mindfulness' is being more and more respected as a psychotherapy, I became very excited about doing that.

 

For what I'm doing, it is rather linear. I don't join first and then go to school. I apply to the military university and then, if I get in, they make me an officer and I begin schooling. So the 6 or 7 years that the doctorate takes is actually counted toward retirement. And there's no way that they will deploy medical officers as soldiers before or after school. Military is desperate for medical officers... so I sort of found a loophole for how to get free graduate schooling, a stable and interesting job, and easy early retirement For most other positions though, I would say your advice is accurate.

Edited August 20, 2010 by Sunya

[ralis]

In general, U.S. citizens don't realize the U.S. had no standing army prior to WW2. Why do we need one now? Resources!

 

 

ralis

[voidisyinyang]

[voidisyinyang]

[mantis]

In general, U.S. citizens don't realize the U.S. had no standing army prior to WW2. Why do we need one now? Resources!

 

 

ralis

 

Are you really comparing the state of things now with the 19th & 20th century?

[ralis]

Are you really comparing the state of things now with the 19th & 20th century?

 

What is your point? I am saying we don't need a standing army. Then the gov't needs just a flimsy excuse to use it.

 

 

ralis

Edited August 20, 2010 by ralis

[voidisyinyang]

Are you really comparing the state of things now with the 19th & 20th century?

 

http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/native-americans.html

 

Genocide entered international law for the first time in 1948; the international community took notice when Europeans (Jews, Poles, and other victims of Nazi Germany) faced cultural extinction. The "Holocaust" of World War II came to be the model of genocide. We, as the human race, must realize, however, that other genocides have occurred. Genocide against many particular groups is still widely happening today. The discrimination of the Native American population is only one example of this ruthless destruction.

 

Credits: Sharon Johnston, The Genocide of Native Americans: A Sociological View, 1996.

[Makyea]

Taoists have been some of greatest military strategists in all of history. Some of the most effective, destructive, deadly martial arts were created by Taoists.

 

I would rather have thinking, feeling, mindful people in the Armed Services. And like it or not your ability to have free, open discussions like this one are at least in some part based on various countries military forces defending their liberty at some point.

 

Plus, she didn't ask for your opinion on her life choices.

Exactly. I want my children to be able to go on the internet and get all the info they want unfiltered.

 

For both the PT and the mental balancing I would start with the "Five Tibetans". There was a thread just recently on them. A great way to start getting some upper body and core strength. Plus, the flexibility increases that can come along will help you as well.

 

Check YouTube or half.com for "Five Tibetans".

Thanks! I will try it

 

If there were no armies at all in this world you would be more than just a slave to your emotional mind.

 

And I don't know if you have been reading this forum for very long buy only about 20% of threads are "directly" related to Taoist discussion. But that is the thing about Taoist discussion...it really can include most anything.

 

Except for maybe Naxis. But I really only see that as some type of emotional belt-lining on your part.

 

Your ideas about Taoism seem very pollyanna.

I believe that everything we discuss dealing with life and our experiences I believe it all has to do with Taoism.

 

The military will abuse you and take away your individuality. It will put you in harms way and you will have no free will.

 

The modern military is about fighting for oil and other natural resources.

 

Iraq and Afghanistan are not about anything the propagandists will tell you.

 

 

ralis

 

I know many people who have been in the military and people going in and not one has lost their individuality. The modern military is doing the same as the old. I do not believe in war I believe in protecting my way of life.

Hi,

 

I'd get hold of a pair of regulation boots and a regulation back pack. Don't start out running in boots and with a lot of weight! You want to ease into it. Start taking long walks with a good pace and light weight and increase the load gradually. This training will build some real endurance and you will avoid getting blisters when you start BT. (BTW learn to take care of your feet. )

 

For general fitness I'd go with Scott Sonnons Tacfit. ( http://www.rmaxinternational.com/tacfit/# ) or at least Flowfit ( https://rmaxinternational.3dcartstores.com/FlowFit_p_152.html ) Both will let you progress at the right pace for you and help you avoid injury. Check out the army manual to. As you get in better overall shape you can focus on the exact stuff you are going to do every day. Rmax has a great forum. I got a lot of help there when I started out with their stuff. I haven't checked it out in a while, but i guess it's still there.

 

The world need more taoist warriors.

 

Best of luck to you.

 

Kris

I ordered some boots and pack. I spoke with my old ROTC instructor and he provided me with a sweet BDU. He said to get used to the way they feel while running. Do you agree?

 

Taoist warriors for the purpose of? Taoist warriors in the army to kill innocent women and children? Taoist warriors don't participate in insane wars!

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/19/iraq

 

This article talks about the innocent women and children killed in Iraq. For what purpose? Nothing more than lies!!

We are not discussing the war but the military. Seperate the two and you may understand our point.

 

Let's see...

 

My grandfather on my father's side fought in WWII and Korea in the U.S. Army and was wounded. His wife was an army nurse.

My grandfather on my mother's side fought in WWII on the side of the Germans as a Nazi. His wife was an Irish nurse on the side of the Allies.

My uncle on my father's side fought in Vietnam in the U.S. Army.

My uncle on my mother's side fought in Vietnam in the U.S. Army, a Ranger, spoke seven languages, and worked as a "Specialist" in other areas of southeast Asia for over ten years.

And a few of my good friends served in the first Iraq war.

(Two of which have the Gulf War Illness and another who lost a leg over a ridiculous order from a superior...)

 

...all seem to come to the same consensus and opinion concerning the military and war of corporate sponsored governments...

 

"WAR...IT'S A RACKET..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

 

What the U.S. is involved with today are corporate ventures of death and destruction executed through the alliance of The Crown, the U.S. and terrorist Israel. With the keen ability to make profits off that destruction and rebuilding...talk about making the dough on the upside of spreading democracy and freedom from terrorism.

 

I actually left the U.S. six years ago because of domestic terrorism laws that can be applied to any U.S. citizen at the government's whim...and forget your habeas corpus and posse comitatus too. Unless this legislation is repealed I shall not return to the clusterfuck nation.

 

Nationalism, honor, bravery and all that tough guy talk is the brainwashing jazz to get you to feel all good inside about it. Like you are doing something good for God and for country. Get real. Do some reading. Talk to people above the level of brainwashed grunts and profiteers suffering from psychopathic levels of machismo and posturing.

 

I believe you should look back on old armies. Its not all brainwashing. Of course they arent going to say "you join and you will get PTSD and lose a leg" but everyone joining knows that. As I have said before, I know people who have been to war and back and they are not brain washed

I'm still in the guard, after one deployment to Iraq as a medic, and getting out in January.

 

Do not join.

 

Do not join. Do not join. Do not join!

 

All that "shaolin" said on the first page is spot on. Respect to him for having tried out for SAS, too.

 

Joining was the worst decision I've made in my entire life. Go to college, or just work normal jobs here and there. Don't sacrifice your own freedom for a useless cause. The benefits aren't worth it, and any chance they get they will try to take these benefits from you.

 

The leadership in the military is made up of mostly spineless idiots. They don't care about your well being, they care about what their boss will think of them if they disobey orders...so they will willingly screw up your life when it comes down to it.

 

Basic training was the best part of my military experience. It was all about taking care of your "battle buddies", and doing more than you thought was possible. I was so proud to have joined, despite the challenge...but that experience ended. The real military is not like that.

 

I am not proud to have served, and I don't consider what soldiers are doing today as "serving their country". I think today's "soldiers" are just underpaid contractors, serving the interests of the government, not actually defending the nation.

 

If you want to become a nurse, go to school for it and take out student loans. Work a summer job. The only reason a person should join the military today is if it's their absolute last option. I mean, if you can't even get a job at McDonalds.

I do not want to be a nurse. I want to be an Aerospace Engineer or things along those lines. I dont believe it should be a last option. Why are you so ashamed?

 

Makyea you have epilepsy so you can not join the military:

 

http://www.epilepsy.com/node/975161

 

 

 

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=49971

 

"That means on average 18 veterans commit suicide each day....A Rand Corporation report last year found that as many as 20 percent of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans exhibited symptoms of PTSD or depression."

I know the rules and I have my ways. Shhh.

[Makyea]

In general, U.S. citizens don't realize the U.S. had no standing army prior to WW2. Why do we need one now? Resources!

 

 

ralis

Prior is the key word. We made it stronger to protect ourselves. That is why we need one to protect ourselves from other countries who have military. You may not like the military but you can't say we should just get rid of it becuase everyone else would keep theirs. We would be overtaken so quickly and you and everyone else could lose the freedom we are working for. Military in this day and age for a ocuntry as big as ours is a complete necessity.

[voidisyinyang]

Prior is the key word. We made it stronger to protect ourselves. That is why we need one to protect ourselves from other countries who have military. You may not like the military but you can't say we should just get rid of it becuase everyone else would keep theirs. We would be overtaken so quickly and you and everyone else could lose the freedom we are working for. Military in this day and age for a ocuntry as big as ours is a complete necessity.

 

Makyea you're disqualified due to epilepsy:

 

http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/15455-military-training/page__view__findpost__p__208348

[Makyea]

Makyea you're disqualified due to epilepsy:

 

http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/15455-military-training/page__view__findpost__p__208348

I have my ways. I was told this same thing by my friend who wanted to join.

[ralis]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe that everything we discuss dealing with life and our experiences I believe it all has to do with Taoism.

 

 

 

 

I know many people who have been in the military and people going in and not one has lost their individuality. The modern military is doing the same as the old. I do not believe in war I believe in protecting my way of life.

 

 

 

 

 

We are not discussing the war but the military. Seperate the two and you may understand our point.

 

 

 

I believe you should look back on old armies. Its not all brainwashing. Of course they arent going to say "you join and you will get PTSD and lose a leg" but everyone joining knows that. As I have said before, I know people who have been to war and back and they are not brain washed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are protecting your way of life from who or what? The imaginary enemy that Pres. Bush created and sold to gullible and fearful U.S. citizens!

 

It is irrational to try and separate war from the military. Your logic is faulty.

 

The very act of going to war for a lie can only be done by brainwashed humans.

 

 

ralis

[Makyea]

You are protecting your way of life from who or what? The imaginary enemy that Pres. Bush created and sold to gullible and fearful U.S. citizens!

 

It is irrational to try and separate war from the military. Your logic is faulty.

 

The very act of going to war for a lie can only be done by brainwashed humans.

 

 

ralis

From anyone who will threaten it. Believe it or not people do want to take it from us.

[Aetherous]

I understand.

 

When I was thinking of joining there was a bunch of people telling me not to do it, saying all of these same things. I didn't listen to them, and had to find out for myself.

 

So be it.

 

Good luck to you.

[ralis]

From anyone who will threaten it. Believe it or not people do want to take it from us.

 

Anyone and people are vague terms. Can you be more specific?

 

 

ralis

[bindo]

You are protecting your way of life from who or what? The imaginary enemy that Pres. Bush created and sold to gullible and fearful U.S. citizens!

 

ralis

True dat!