voidisyinyang Posted August 20, 2010 The Crusades and Holy Wars were from circa 1095 to 1291. I thought that was the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. Refresh my history of America's early attacks by Muslims. I know exactly the history of Israel. ralis He's talking about the "pirates" off Morocco who were enslaving Christians -- and so when they enslaved some Americans then the Americans went to kick pirate booty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted August 20, 2010 Join the military, volunteer for service in Afghanistan and you will get lots of money. And it's such an easy job too. Peace & Love! Suicide is easy too -- that's why so many U.S. veterans do it!! 18 U.S. military people kill themselves everyday!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 20, 2010 Too bad the pacifists won't protect us from the evil-doers. You're either with us or against us! I love my country that's why I'm part of a genocide machine -- otherwise the rich at home which I hate would be attacked. The rich pacifists just don't know what honor means -- that's why I must go out and get killed for the rich!! haha. That post is totally out of order and an insult to those men and women who serve with the understanding that they are serving the will of the people. Stop being so insulting. Sure, bitch about the government and our foreign affairs personnel but don't be insulting our military personnel. Yes, our military personnel serve so that the pacifists can be pacifists. You do remember what Hitler did with the Pacifists, don't you? He put them in the freakin' oven!!! Peace & Love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) That post is totally out of order and an insult to those men and women who serve with the understanding that they are serving the will of the people. Stop being so insulting. Sure, bitch about the government and our foreign affairs personnel but don't be insulting our military personnel. Yes, our military personnel serve so that the pacifists can be pacifists. You do remember what Hitler did with the Pacifists, don't you? He put them in the freakin' oven!!! Peace & Love! http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2007/11/13/cbs-early-show-veteran-suicide-rates-shockingly-high Toward the end of the segment, Chen explained that "the Department of Veterans Affairs says that approximately this year 5,000 veterans will commit suicide, largely because of mental health issues...This sounds shockingly high. That's like 100 a week." Based upon the preceding segment, one would assume that high number referred to Iraq veterans, however, according to a May 10 Associated Press article, actually featured on cbsnews.com, the report said, "about 1,000 veterans who receive VA care commit suicide every year and as many as 5,000 a year among all living veterans." So Chen took the absolute maximum estimate as fact and did not clarify that it applied to all veterans. Edited August 20, 2010 by drewhempel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 20, 2010 Western expansionalism , foreign policy and forced democracy are the cause of the rise of islamic fundemantalism. 911 was a re action not a cause. No, you need to go back further than that. I will agree that the US's foreigh policies are screwed up though. But it is not nor was it the cause of the Islamic Fundamentalist movement. They are active in nearly all parts of the world. They are very active in Africa and Asia. And their goal is to conquer the world and force everyone to do exactly and only what they say people can do. Total destruction of all freedoms for all people except the leaders of the packs. Peace & Love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) That post is totally out of order and an insult to those men and women who serve with the understanding that they are serving the will of the people. Stop being so insulting. Sure, bitch about the government and our foreign affairs personnel but don't be insulting our military personnel. Yes, our military personnel serve so that the pacifists can be pacifists. You do remember what Hitler did with the Pacifists, don't you? He put them in the freakin' oven!!! Peace & Love! Hitler was funded by U.S. businessmen and bankers -- mainly the Bush Dynasty -- there would have been no World War Two without the Bush Dynasty funding Hitler. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. Again -- knowledge is power. http://wwwthesixthestate.blogspot.com/2007/11/bush-family-skull-and-bones-and-nazi.html Averell Harriman personally arranged with the Walker/Bush Hamburg-Amerika Line to transport Nazi ideologues from Germany to New York for this meeting. The most famous among those transported was Dr. Ernst Rudin, psychiatrist at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Genealogy and Demography in Berlin where the Rockefeller family paid for Dr. Rudin to occupy an entire floor for his eugenics 'research'. Dr. Rudin had addressed the International Federation's 1928 meeting, speaking on 'Mental Aberration and Race Hygiene', while others (Germans and Americans) spoke on race-mixing and sterilization of the unfit. Rudin has also led the German delegation to the 1930 Mental Hygiene Congress in Washington, D.C. If people refuse to read and do research then they will not be educated -- it's simple physics. I've given you a book to read -- go to it! Edited August 20, 2010 by drewhempel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 20, 2010 http://www.veteransforpeace.org/about_vfp.vp.html Obviously you were in Vietnam -- that's exactly why I posted "At War with Asia" -- for you to learn about it. Come on Drew. I am not a fuckin' idiot. I know what is and has been going on around the world and around my property. My property is safe because I make it well known in the neighborhood that I am retired Army, I know how to kill people, and my .38 is in perfect condition. I have lived here for over thirty years and have never had an invasion problem of any kind. Don't be presenting me with all your propaganda. I don't need to hear it or read it. I know how to take care of myself and it surely is not by sitting on my ass smoking weed. Peace & Love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) For anyone on here that is for the current wars, I suggest reading the Nuremberg Tribunals and the precedent set for international and U.S. law. The Nazis were tried for war crimes against humanity i.e, unprovoked attacks on sovereign nations. Therefor, these acts are treated as war crimes! The two current wars are illegal and I am tired of hearing the propaganda that the U.S. military is keeping us safe. Further, 15 of the 18 hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia and therefor the U.S. attacks two other sovereign nations in response! The propaganda is very twisted around these wars! BTW, I wrote a paper on the Nuremberg Tribunals during my first year of college. ralis Edited August 20, 2010 by ralis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 20, 2010 The Arabs have hated the U.S. since the early 1900's due to oil exploration on their "sacred ground". ralis That's BS and you know it. Peace & Love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddie Posted August 20, 2010 How about a new spin on this topic? I have been pondering the karma effects of our wars since World War II. The reason I say since World War II is because that one was pretty cut and dry. We were attacked, Hitler was evil, (probably the reason my focus while majoring in history was on World War II). But what about the karma the United States has earned since that time? Germany invaded Poland and a bunch of other nations, got some really bad karma, and was just about destroyed. Ok so we invaded Iraq, Afganistan. Not saying we are Nazi Germany but and unprovoked invasion is an unprovoked invasion, karma is karma. In World War II we fought the bad guys; now I hope we are not becoming the bad guy/ getting bad karma ect.. I'm not implying that pacifism is of the Tao, look at Sun Tzu and the art of war, or that the military is not of the Tao either, for Taoism has a god of war. For me war and the military is not the point, for me the concern is karma, and specifically that as a nation the US is accumilating bad karma by its military actions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 20, 2010 Try "the 1700s due to being infidels" -- it was plainly stated as such prior to the first Barbary war. Prior to that, they hated the British, Spanish, French & Italians et al... I agree with your last two posts but lets not stereotype the people. Most of them are good people who just want to be left alone to live their life the way they with to live it. Not all Arabs are Moslems and not all Moslems are Fundamentalists. Peace & Love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 20, 2010 Suicide is easy too -- that's why so many U.S. veterans do it!! 18 U.S. military people kill themselves everyday!! I suggest to you that this is not true. Please present verified documentation for this outrageous statement. Otherwise stop telling the lie. Peace & Love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) Edited August 23, 2010 by Scotty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 20, 2010 http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2007/11/13/cbs-early-show-veteran-suicide-rates-shockingly-high I don't believe in fortune telling so I have no reason to listen to the unsupported estimates of some fortune teller. Peace & Love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 20, 2010 Hitler was funded by U.S. businessmen and bankers -- mainly the Bush Dynasty -- there would have been no World War Two without the Bush Dynasty funding Hitler. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar Again -- knowledge is power. http://wwwthesixthestate.blogspot.com/2007/11/bush-family-skull-and-bones-and-nazi.html If people refuse to read and do research then they will not be educated -- it's simple physics. I've given you a book to read -- go to it! That is so stupid it is pathetic. You need a mental alignment. I think you might have even left the solar system. I feel sorry for you if you believe that BS. Truely, I do. Peace & Love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) Edited August 23, 2010 by Scotty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 20, 2010 For anyone on here that is for the current wars, I suggest reading the Nuremberg Tribunals and the precedent set for international and U.S. law. The Nazis were tried for war crimes against humanity i.e, unprovoked attacks on sovereign nations. Therefor, these acts are treated as war crimes! The two current wars are illegal and I am tired of hearing the propaganda that the U.S. military is keeping us safe. Further, 15 of the 18 hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia and therefor the U.S. attacks two other sovereign nations in response! The propaganda is very twisted around these wars! BTW, I wrote a paper on the Nuremberg Tribunals during my first year of college. ralis That is not true. Yes, the Iraq war was illegal. The Afghanistan war is sanctioned by the UN. You are twisting the facts in the rest of your post in order to serve your own opinions regardles if they are true or not. Peace & Love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted August 20, 2010 Why not? On one of my missions we were engaged by local farmers, who don't even know how to shoot (firing almost straight up in the air), and we destroyed them. Why? Because we could. This is a common thing for soldiers who actually go on missions. Our lives weren't on the line, with million dollar protection on our HMMVs. Our guns were bigger. What motivated us was blind hatred, and also the foolishness of "well, we are allowed to do it, so we might as well." This is the military personnel you are defending. Ridiculous. Hi Scotty, I will not defend anyone who kills without just cause. No, what you guys did was wrong and if you were members of my command you would have paid a price. Yes, there is way too much of that but it is an individual thing. It is not representative of most personnel who serve. And yes, there were those who did that in Vietnam too. And it was wrong then too. Peace & Love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralis Posted August 20, 2010 That is not true. Yes, the Iraq war was illegal. The Afghanistan war is sanctioned by the UN. You are twisting the facts in the rest of your post in order to serve your own opinions regardles if they are true or not. Peace & Love! I don't care what organization sanctions it. It is still illegal! ralis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voidisyinyang Posted August 20, 2010 Hi Scotty, I will not defend anyone who kills without just cause. No, what you guys did was wrong and if you were members of my command you would have paid a price. Yes, there is way too much of that but it is an individual thing. It is not representative of most personnel who serve. And yes, there were those who did that in Vietnam too. And it was wrong then too. Peace & Love! Time to protect "my property" http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/slavery-making-of-america/ Slavery and the Making of America is a four-part series documenting the history of American slavery from its beginnings in the British colonies to its end in the Southern states and the years of post-Civil War Reconstruction. Drawing on a wealth of recent scholarship, it looks at slavery as an integral part of a developing nation, challenging the long held notion that slavery was exclusively a Southern enterprise. At the same time, by focusing on the remarkable stories of individual slaves, it offers new perspectives on the slave experience and testifies to the active role that Africans and African Americans took in surviving their bondage and shaping their own lives. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddie Posted August 20, 2010 History books have largely ignored the fact that Germany was not alone in the invasion of Poland -- Hitler & Stalin were partners because they believed they were ideological brothers. The intellectual elite in the US & Western Europe heralded the rise of socialism in Germany as they had in the Soviet Union and then scrambled to distance themselves from Hitler's atrocities after their extent was latter revealed. Had the intellectual elite not been so eager to rally around the charismatic guy with the funny mustache, his reach would likely have been limited to just Germany. Just another case of revisionist history, I guess... Yes true, I am aware that the Soviet Union also participated in the invasion of Poland, and that Nazi German had supporters in the West such as Henry Ford, and Limburg for example, but my main point was about the karma of nations due to their actions, which is why I was stating broad facts supporting the point of that topic ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
