Enlightenment and the Hermit

[Gerard]

Truth is...true. You have gone through a lot of rebirths and learnt a lot to end up making the same mistakes. It wouldn't make sense. I myself know that very well.

[Gerard]

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[Marblehead]

Access wasn't allowed.

 

Oh well.

 

Peace & Love!

[Gerard]

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[Gerard]

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[hagar]

Stream entry is not what people think. It maybe an adaptation to a

hot environment. In the Buddhist symbology, there is a ship's steering

wheel on the kidney point of the foot. Jesus's stream entry was cut

by the stake on his feet and on the hands while on the cross.

 

The Ship's steering wheel is the representation of the Truth Chakra

or the Wheel of Dharma.

 

Stream entry serves too many purposes in the body.

 

I had to invest a lot of time in scripture.

 

I found out that it wasn't the End of Suffering that was

ojbective, it is the End of Poisonings collectively. The

poisonings for fear get so bad that it ruins the middle

of the brain.

 

OK, clarifying

 

but is this your direct experience or interpretation?

 

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[Pero]

If a person is an arhat and is a first class asshole

they ain't going to be protected.

 

I seriously doubt an arhat can be an asshole.

[lino]

I seriously doubt an arhat can be an asshole.

 

Every hydra in greek mythology is an arhat. When Heracles kills a

hydra, things become become complicated. The awareness of an arhat

is planetwide...as per zen buddhism.

[Pero]

Every hydra in greek mythology is an arhat. When Heracles kills a

hydra, things become become complicated. The awareness of an arhat

is planetwide...as per zen buddhism.

 

No she isn't. You really should stop mixing so many things.

[Birch]

"Stream entry" is from what I've understood, just the knowing of where you are in the stream of things and stuff and words and whatever that goes through you.

 

I quite like being a first class a44hole. Better than a 2nd class a44hole.

 

Don't let the hydras get you down

 

BTW Lino, there was a thread about lower chakra issues and if you have spine problems that can really mess you up on many levels. You could go see a chiropractor or do exercises to loosen up. Are your bones really fused at the bottom?

 

It does seem that some kids are born with extended coccyx and they tend to get operated.

[Pero]

"Stream entry" is from what I've understood, just the knowing of where you are in the stream of things and stuff and words and whatever that goes through you.

 

I'm afraid not.

[Birch]

Thanks Pero. I guess then I haven't understood anything.

[lino]

"Stream entry" is from what I've understood, just the knowing of where you are in the stream of things and stuff and words and whatever that goes through you.

 

I quite like being a first class a44hole. Better than a 2nd class a44hole.

 

Don't let the hydras get you down

 

BTW Lino, there was a thread about lower chakra issues and if you have spine problems that can really mess you up on many levels. You could go see a chiropractor or do exercises to loosen up. Are your bones really fused at the bottom?

 

It does seem that some kids are born with extended coccyx and they tend to get operated.

 

There are too many things that are screwed up. If you have a dream

where there is a pain input on the body then it can't be classified

as some sort of fantasy.

 

Yes, they are fused. I'm not going through reincarnation or rebirth.

After this, I'm gone. For right now, I'm not willing to invest in any

"virtues", I'm going straight into pragmatic methods. There is the

physical body, astral body, and a formless body. If the consciousness

doesn't have a medium then it is gone. A consciousness can be turned

into a form of AI so that it can exist and adapt.

[Birch]

"Yes, they are fused."

 

-How do you know? Did you get X-rays?

 

"I'm not going through reincarnation or rebirth."

 

- Depends on what you are referring to. I think you "personally" will probably not. Unless you want to. And I ask to the wider TTB's "Who would want to?"

 

"After this, I'm gone."

 

- I think you're possibly right. I can't say "probably" because I don't know.

 

"For right now, I'm not willing to invest in any "virtues","

 

- Good call. Besides, that stuff is only intended to make YOU feel better. Given our guilt-laden culture(s) I wouldn't be surprised if that approach didn't "yin it's yang" and mess people up in the process. Of course, if you're willing to go through the mess then that could work, but because it's messy, and we're in a messy place, well, I dunno. I'd go for "whatever works".

 

"I'm going straight into pragmatic methods."

 

- I think those are the best

[Sunya]

[Sunya]

Daniel Ingram does a great job of describing arhats, imo, on his site Interactive Buddha

 

"Arahatship designates the perfection of mastery of training in Wisdom, the Third Training in Buddhism, with the other two trainings being Morality and Concentration.

 

Saying one his an arahat is the same as saying that one has directly and completely realized the Truth of Things that is beyond conditions.

 

Another way of saying it is that the process of falsely imputing a "self" from the sensations that make up the body, mind, and world has stopped because these sensations have been directly perceived as they are.

 

Theravada Buddhism defines 5 basic stages of awakening, called the Four Paths and Buddhahood, with some subcategories noted on occasion.

 

The Four Paths are increasingly complete perceptions of Ultimate Reality.

 

The Four Paths are, in order of increasing understanding, and with Pali names in parenthesis:

Stream Entry, a.k.a First Path (Sotapanna)

Once Returner, a.k.a Second Path (Sakadagami)

Never Returner, a.k.a Third Path (Anagami)

 

Pick your favorite traslation as above, a.k.a Fourth Path (Arahat).

 

Arahatship is also called the opening of the Wisdom Eye, as differentiated from the Dharma Eye which opens at stream entry. These are simply fine points that poetically restate what those realizations entail.

 

There is a phenomena in which the Wisdom Eye may open, which qualifies one as an arahat, but then close again.

 

These people are arahats, but they are a lesser subcategory of arahats. Full arahats have had the Wisdom Eye

open and stay open, meaning that they have obtained the understandings listed below and those have not faded.

 

Arahatship designates an understanding that has the following characteristics:

 

The arahat has seen through the sense that there is a continuous, separate, or special controller, doer, observer, or centerpoint that is "who they are" in a very direct perceptual way that is not merely an intellectual or conceptual understanding.

 

They know the sensations that seemed to imply these to be just more sensations arising and vanishing according to conditions as they always have been.

 

This is not something they have to work to maintain, but instead is something that has stopped.

 

The arahat knows in real time and directly what is meant by such phrases and concepts as:

 

"in the thinking is only the thought, in the seeing is only the seen, etc."

intrinsic luminosity

the emptiness of phenomena

that Nibbana is found in Samsara

and a whole host of other poetic metaphors and attempts as description."

Edited August 28, 2010 by Sunya