What causes sexual desire?

[Maddie]

Ok here is something I'm a bit confused about. What is the actual cause of desire? Lets say you start on day one after emptying yourself of fluid. Then usually desire is much less immediately afterwards. Now lets say you do nothing at all. Then you wait a few days and desire begins to increase again, and after a week or two you feel like an atomic bomb.

Now obviously as time passes your body begins to replace its lost fluids, BUT is the cause of desire itself the amount of fluid you have or the energy contained in the fluid? I ask this because if my desire is strong, I can do the Big Draw, i.e. refrain from ejaculation, but cause the energy of the sperm to enter my MCO and store it at my dan tien, and then for a while I feel fine again, just as if I had released fluid, but the amount of time for desire to return afterwards is usually shorter than after a normal ejaculation.

So this is what makes me ponder what the actual "thing" is that makes us feel desire in the first place?

[Encephalon]

Ok here is something I'm a bit confused about. What is the actual cause of desire? Lets say you start on day one after emptying yourself of fluid. Then usually desire is much less immediately afterwards. Now lets say you do nothing at all. Then you wait a few days and desire begins to increase again, and after a week or two you feel like an atomic bomb.

Now obviously as time passes your body begins to replace its lost fluids, BUT is the cause of desire itself the amount of fluid you have or the energy contained in the fluid? I ask this because if my desire is strong, I can do the Big Draw, i.e. refrain from ejaculation, but cause the energy of the sperm to enter my MCO and store it at my dan tien, and then for a while I feel fine again, just as if I had released fluid, but the amount of time for desire to return afterwards is usually shorter than after a normal ejaculation.

So this is what makes me ponder what the actual "thing" is that makes us feel desire in the first place?

 

Our Lord and Savior Jesus of Nazareth.

[effilang]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus of Nazareth.

 

lol Blasto : )

 

OP - All i can tell you is that when i am away from girls with a physical/mental sexual disposition, it is as if sex or urges do not exist at all. My mind simply ceases to think of sex unless it comes from the outside.

 

In fact i totally forget about sex until i see something explicitly sexual, only then do i feel my Jing stir, but this too is coming to a stop gradually and what would arouse me before now simply looks neutral.

 

So to me desire is simply the arousal of Jing by sexual sound, images, bodies or other media.

 

Thats all as far as i am concerned and i honestly don't see why bother looking into it. Just let it go.

Most answers probably will not make your meditation better.

 

If you get aroused, meditate afterwards to settle everything back in the Dan Tien.

 

Honestly, your post is a bit of an overload for me, so many questions.

Let the questions go and the answers you really need will find you.

 

What do you care of this anyway? - It is what it is. Will the sun shine brighter if u know exactly how it works?

[That Guy]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus of Nazareth.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Sorry blasto, no offense intended, but your reply caught me off-guard, that is all.

[Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that]

Ok here is something I'm a bit confused about. What is the actual cause of desire? Lets say you start on day one after emptying yourself of fluid. Then usually desire is much less immediately afterwards. Now lets say you do nothing at all. Then you wait a few days and desire begins to increase again, and after a week or two you feel like an atomic bomb.

Now obviously as time passes your body begins to replace its lost fluids, BUT is the cause of desire itself the amount of fluid you have or the energy contained in the fluid? I ask this because if my desire is strong, I can do the Big Draw, i.e. refrain from ejaculation, but cause the energy of the sperm to enter my MCO and store it at my dan tien, and then for a while I feel fine again, just as if I had released fluid, but the amount of time for desire to return afterwards is usually shorter than after a normal ejaculation.

So this is what makes me ponder what the actual "thing" is that makes us feel desire in the first place?

 

I guess the simple answer is energy. Bit obvious I know. Since energy is creative and all the energy around is involved with creation(whether we see it or not)it follows that the energy within will seemingly have its own volition to create.....the act of sex being a form of creation(if done right/wrong).

 

Don't forget energy is flying all over the show, other peoples sexual thoughts sends that energy your way and that can also give you a twinge in the perenium, if you become a bit sensitive you can often trace its origin.....they won't appreciate it mind you if you tell 'em "oh, you were having sexual thoughts about me the other day!". More sexual energy(charged)attracts more sexual thoughts.... not necessarily good or bad.

 

What came first, the energy or the hormones is another conundrum.

[Astral_Anima]

Following the idea that sexual energy is the same as creative energy, then there's two theories I can think of. 1: Restricting your creative flow would cause the energy to grow stagnant and it would increase your desire for sex so it can be expressed. 2: Increasing your creative flow increases your sex drive. Bach was known to be quite sexually active. If I remember right he had something like 22 wives

 

Another idea is that "like creates like" which is based on social programming. There's alot of hidden sexual messages in childrens' films, and TONS on TV shows for pre-teens, teens, young adults and adults. Because of all of the sexual overtones and suggestions our mind is kept in a constant state of semi-arousal. Secular upbringing would have one believe that sex/orgasm is the best thing life has to offer (this just in suicide rate increase 5%), and most movies/TV shows would indirectly suggest that "happily ever after" relationships are the "boon" of life. With all of this junk programming it's no wonder America is sex crazed. Also because men/women are encouraged to eat crap diets, and are overstressed, and never learn any sexual techniques then alot of the time sex isn't NEARLY as satisfying as it could/should be. Sex Ed is a fucking joke. At 14 I knew more about sex then every qualified teacher I knew. All they taught was the reproductive value, NOTHING about how to give and feel the most pleasure possible.

 

There could also be the dietary aspect. I've heard the theory that ejaculation for males (menstruation for females) is a symptom of toxicity. I'm not familiar enough with the theory to really go in depth but from what I understand...Ejaculation is a way for the body to eliminate excess undigested protein, zinc, and sugars. For example I have personally noticed that after eating Oreos or cake or some kind of sugary garbage, I have a stronger urge to ejaculate. Similarly meat is known to stimulate sex drive, perhaps because of it's large hard-to-digest proteins and high zinc content. Personally i've noticed that since becoming a vegetarian my sex drive has SIGNIFICANTLY decreased, however my performance is still the same as it was before switching. Eating meat for zinc/protein and eating sprouted seeds/beans/grains for protein is drastically diff from my experience.

 

Lastly there's the scientific aspect. This basically states that it's your animal instinct to reproduce. There'a also other things though. For example have you ever questioned why big breasts are so appealing to most guys? Or why a particular "shape" is appealing to most guys? It could be social programming, however it couls also have something to do with the unconscious mind. For example we may be attracted to a woman with wide hips and a healthy weight because unconsciously that signals "fertile". Men may like big breasts because it signifies high levels of estrogen, or it could have something to do with infantile obsessions (Freud). Personally I don't really buy this idea, I tend to lean toward social conditioning/programming but I thought i'd throw it out there anyway.

 

-Astral

[C T]

Subtle winds.

 

Article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lung_(Tibetan_Buddhism)

[Maddie]

I guess the simple answer is energy. Bit obvious I know. Since energy is creative and all the energy around is involved with creation(whether we see it or not)it follows that the energy within will seemingly have its own volition to create.....the act of sex being a form of creation(if done right/wrong).

 

Don't forget energy is flying all over the show, other peoples sexual thoughts sends that energy your way and that can also give you a twinge in the perenium, if you become a bit sensitive you can often trace its origin.....they won't appreciate it mind you if you tell 'em "oh, you were having sexual thoughts about me the other day!". More sexual energy(charged)attracts more sexual thoughts.... not necessarily good or bad.

 

What came first, the energy or the hormones is another conundrum.

 

 

Its funny you should mention people's sexual thoughts, because it was larely due to an unusual experience I had on Sunday related to that, which caused me to post this topic in the first place.

So my wife drug me to one of these new modern rock and roll type churches that seem to be the new trend these days. I didn't want to go, but I found myself there nevertheless. So I walk in the church and BAM it hits me, I wave of atomic strength sexual energy . So now I'm like "what the hell, I thought this was a church?" lol. So anyways its this huge darkened ampatheatre, and then the lights come on the stage and they are playing rock music (not even christian) and gyrating wildly on stage just like at at rock concert. I noticed that most of the guys in the church are dressed like pimps, and many of the females are dressed ... um ... in a very provocative manner. So anyways since I'm sitting here in this church being bombarded by a tidal wave of sexual energy, I start doing reverse abdominal breathing to store this energy so to not be overwhelmed by it. Then after the rock concert the preacher in his pimp gear gets up and preaches his little ditty, and then we are done.

Now we get home and I'm thinking "I should really get to work on converting this sexual energy in my dan tien before it starts to circulate in my MCO". But alas I have been doing full lotus for a couple weeks now and at this point my hips are so sore that its just not happening. So as the day progresses and my dan tien feeds my MCO I am feeling increasingly um... stimulated. So I do a little testicle breathing and MCO and that helps somewhat for a while, but....

The next day I wake up and I got it BAD!!! I try testicle breathing and MCO and reverse breathing but nothing is working. I even get into full lotus for a while, but I can't stay in it long enough. So I finally arouse the energy, do many many "Big Draws" bring the stimulated energy into my MCO and store it in my dan tien. Then ah bliss problem gone, which gave rise (pardon the pun) to my original question.

[Neophyte]

Its funny you should mention people's sexual thoughts, because it was larely due to an unusual experience I had on Sunday related to that, which caused me to post this topic in the first place.

So my wife drug me to one of these new modern rock and roll type churches that seem to be the new trend these days. I didn't want to go, but I found myself there nevertheless. So I walk in the church and BAM it hits me, I wave of atomic strength sexual energy . So now I'm like "what the hell, I thought this was a church?" lol. So anyways its this huge darkened ampatheatre, and then the lights come on the stage and they are playing rock music (not even christian) and gyrating wildly on stage just like at at rock concert. I noticed that most of the guys in the church are dressed like pimps, and many of the females are dressed ... um ... in a very provocative manner. So anyways since I'm sitting here in this church being bombarded by a tidal wave of sexual energy, I start doing reverse abdominal breathing to store this energy so to not be overwhelmed by it. Then after the rock concert the preacher in his pimp gear gets up and preaches his little ditty, and then we are done.

Now we get home and I'm thinking "I should really get to work on converting this sexual energy in my dan tien before it starts to circulate in my MCO". But alas I have been doing full lotus for a couple weeks now and at this point my hips are so sore that its just not happening. So as the day progresses and my dan tien feeds my MCO I am feeling increasingly um... stimulated. So I do a little testicle breathing and MCO and that helps somewhat for a while, but....

The next day I wake up and I got it BAD!!! I try testicle breathing and MCO and reverse breathing but nothing is working. I even get into full lotus for a while, but I can't stay in it long enough. So I finally arouse the energy, do many many "Big Draws" bring the stimulated energy into my MCO and store it in my dan tien. Then ah bliss problem gone, which gave rise (pardon the pun) to my original question.

 

Hey Matt, I'm relatively new to this subject on which you are writing. I am, though, reading and learning.

If you don't mind my asking, you wrote that you did reverse abdominal breathing so as not to be overwhelmed by the sexual energy. I understand this. Then you stated that you wanted to get to work on converting the sexual energy in you dan tien before it starts to circulate in your MCO. 1. To do so requires sitting in full lotus, but what accompanies (sitting full lotus) to accomplish this conversion process? (I will carefully read the full lotus thread, btw, but it may not be clear enough.) 2. Why didn't you want it to circulate in MCO at that time?

 

Thanks. Neophyte

[goldisheavy]

So this is what makes me ponder what the actual "thing" is that makes us feel desire in the first place?

 

It's the mind. Of course the mind is not really a thing. More accurately it's the mindset! A certain state of mind.

Edited August 31, 2010 by goldisheavy

[Maddie]

Hey Matt, I'm relatively new to this subject on which you are writing. I am, though, reading and learning.

If you don't mind my asking, you wrote that you did reverse abdominal breathing so as not to be overwhelmed by the sexual energy. I understand this. Then you stated that you wanted to get to work on converting the sexual energy in you dan tien before it starts to circulate in your MCO. 1. To do so requires sitting in full lotus, but what accompanies (sitting full lotus) to accomplish this conversion process? (I will carefully read the full lotus thread, btw, but it may not be clear enough.) 2. Why didn't you want it to circulate in MCO at that time?

 

Thanks. Neophyte

 

Q: "what accompanies (sitting full lotus) to accomplish this conversion process?"

 

I asked Drew the same thing lol, and his answer was basically that nothing really has to accompany sitting in full lotus, it just automatically happens. And I have found this to be the case from my personal experience. Usually when I do full lotus (if I can lol) I simply do reverse abdominal breathing and empty my mind as in Zazen. Its really that simple , well in theory at least, actually getting into full lotus can be another matter .

 

Q: "Why didn't you want it to circulate in MCO at that time?"

 

Because I didn't want raw sexaul energy flowing through my body lol. Storing it in the dan tien was a convinient way to put off dealing with it, but I simply stored it there, but did not convert it as of then. It might be compared to putting a bear in a cage. The bear is contained but if you don't tame that bear as soon as its out of the cage watch out haha.

 

hope that helps

[thelerner]

For some reason your post made me think of this one:

 

By Dao Zhen

 

I think for serious students, this is a big hurdle to overcome.

It is best to not get into the habit of gaining depression when an emission happens in sleep.

It is natural, and go slow and do not force anything, nor become obsessed with "saving" jing.

Keep practice, follow solid methods and guidelines.

With time, all will become secure quite naturally.

I have found the following to be a help for me in my practice.

Yet this is by no means advise from an expert, as I have very little experience.

In the tradition I am learning, it is generally accepted that a serious student is celibate.

 

 

 

1. Change conditioned habits and patterns in regards to viewing and interacting with women - on the street, and in the manner we speak and deal with them in public situations -

 

If we flirt, and have playful interaction with women, it may stir things up quite a bit, and cause trouble during sleep.

 

Honor and respect women as your sisters in Tao, yet do not view them as sexual objects, nor project sexual fantasy on women.

 

1-a. Do not view pornography video, magazine, or sexual movies.

 

2. Diet. Do not over eat, and do not go to bed while full. I have found it best to eat the last meal of the day around 5pm or so. Also in the tradition I am learning, it is thought best to follow a simple vegetarian diet, with no spice, garlic, onion, scallion, chives, and cilantro.

 

3. Do not have very heavy blankets on the body that will create too much heat when sleeping.

 

4. Do not sleep on the stomach. Sleep on the back with one leg crossed over the other – hands resting below the navel, or on the right side with one leg tucked behind the bottom leg at the knee level – right palm cupping the ear – left palm below navel area.

 

5. The most important point I have found that helps is to sit for 1 - 2.5 hours or so in proper seated meditation practice before sleep. This is perhaps the most important point, and will yield the most results.

 

In this tradition, we have a method to transfer Jing to Qi that is taught.

 

It is termed - "Lighting a Fire", or "Burning a Soft Fire".

It is very effective, and yields the effect of the Jing being transformed to Qi, and really is like something burns away and evaporates.

 

There is great warmth generated in the Lower Dantian area that moves, and steams upward during the process in a manner that is very pleasurable and uplifting.

 

One is left with a feeling of great expansion, and the sign that the Jing has been completely transformed, and it is safe to sleep is one has a feeling like a vast, expansive, clear blue sky.

 

The sign that one has made some gain in transformation of Jing over a period of time, is generally one will stop to have dream activity.

 

There is a great stillness in the sleep state, and no real strong dream activity.

This is also related to the pattern of the Metal conquering Wood; Or the Po suppressing the Hun during the night.

 

When the Hun is suppressed by the Po, it wanders away from the sphere of the liver, and the resulting experience is dreams.

 

As Jing is transformed into Qi, and the Hun is strengthened, there is less and less dream activity during the sleep state.

 

One sign I have also come to notice is that if I was lazy and just lie down for sleep without practice, there will be a feeling of something stirring in the lower Dantian, like a movement, or maybe even a worm or something is really moving and stirring.

 

This is a sign that one will experience an emission during sleep, and it is important to have a strong will power, and sit up and cross the legs and sit to Burn the Soft Fire.

 

It is also a good idea to get into the habit of getting up from sleep at any time in the night when you awake and there is a stirring in the sexual organ, or a strong erection.

 

Just sit up, cross the legs, and lightly gaze over the Lower Dantian area and sit in stillness.

 

In this system, they also teach a standing method of body movement, contraction and breathe retention in the first stages to strengthen the lower gate, to help prevent the emission during sleep.

 

This stage does not last forever.

 

It is as if the body and being is at first in a habit to let the liquid flow out, and loose the essence.

Yet with slow and steady practice, the body and being learns another way.

It becomes the natural state to preserve the essence, and no loss is experienced.

 

It is an investment of time.

 

So it takes a strong and steady will power.

Constant and steady daily practice over a period of time.

Persevere.

Dao Zhen

[Maddie]

[RiverSnake]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus of Nazareth.

 

 

 

 

Honestly, your post is a bit of an overload for me, so many questions.

Let the questions go and the answers you really need will find you.

 

What do you care of this anyway? - It is what it is. Will the sun shine brighter if u know exactly how it works?

 

I concur with the above

[metal dog]

I guess the simple answer is energy. Bit obvious I know. Since energy is creative and all the energy around is involved with creation(whether we see it or not)it follows that the energy within will seemingly have its own volition to create

 

Energy and The Mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libido

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desire_%28emotion%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lust

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpersonal_attraction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destrudo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_drive

 

(And sometimes dat ass is just...BLAM!!! POPPING MAD!!!...u know what I'm sayin'?)

Edited August 31, 2010 by metal dog

[Creation]

So anyways since I'm sitting here in this church being bombarded by a tidal wave of sexual energy, I start doing reverse abdominal breathing to store this energy so to not be overwhelmed by it. ... Now we get home and I'm thinking "I should really get to work on converting this sexual energy in my dan tien before it starts to circulate in my MCO". But alas I have been doing full lotus for a couple weeks now and at this point my hips are so sore that its just not happening. So as the day progresses and my dan tien feeds my MCO I am feeling increasingly um... stimulated. So I do a little testicle breathing and MCO and that helps somewhat for a while, but....

The next day I wake up and I got it BAD!!!

Hi dmattwads.

 

I wonder, why do you belive that it is better to have the lust energy stored in your dan tien rather than circulating? When you woke up the next day and were feeling stimulated it was probably all the lust energy stored it in your dan tien coming out.

 

If you are around a bunch of angry people, would you store all the anger energy in your dan tien to not be overwhelmed by it? How about hate, anxiety, etc.? That sounds pretty unhealthy to me.

 

But then again, what is the alternative? It seems like you need something to do in real time to neutralize the energies you are receiving (other than sitting in full lotus). If you just have the intention to neutralize it and let the energy freely do its thing, what would happen? (Easier said than done, right )

 

Does anyone have any real time neutralization suggestions?

Edited September 1, 2010 by Creation

[Maddie]

Hi dmattwads.

 

I wonder, why do you belive that it is better to have the lust energy stored in your dan tien rather than circulating? When you woke up the next day and were feeling stimulated it was probably all the lust energy stored it in your dan tien coming out.

 

If you are around a bunch of angry people, would you store all the anger energy in your dan tien to not be overwhelmed by it? How about hate, anxiety, etc.? That sounds pretty unhealthy to me.

 

But then again, what is the alternative? It seems like you need something to do in real time to neutralize the energies you are receiving (other than sitting in full lotus). If you just have the intention to neutralize it and let the energy freely do its thing, what would happen? (Easier said than done, right )

 

Does anyone have any real time neutralization suggestions?

 

 

The reason I stored the lust energy in my dan tien at that time was because I was sitting in the church and really could not do much to deal with it at the time. Later on I did indeed have to convert it because I began to feel it as it started circulating in my MCO. As far as anger energy goes, I did in fact have to store it in my dan tien last week when my wife was PMS'ing lol. We were in the car and she was not really saying much, but nevertheless she was mega pissed, and I could feel the anger energy very strong. Since this time I was driving and could not deal with it, I stored it in my dan tien. When I got home I did not convert the energy and sure enough after a while I indeed did begin to feel extremely angery until I realized what was going on, at which time I did deal with the energy and learned my lesson lol. I have found full lotus a very effective means of convertin energy. The only draw back is that it is not easy for me to get into full lotus so sometimes I have to use other means. In the case of anger an effective method is the liver healing sound and inner smile, in the case of sexual energy I have found testicle breathing and reverse abdominal breathing to be effective. So there is more than one way to do something, its just that I have found full lotus (when I can do it) to be one of the most effective from my personal experience. The other methods I mentioned take more time and effort.

Edited September 1, 2010 by dmattwads

[Aetherous]

In my limited experience, natural breathing (moving the diaphragm) is a big key to releasing strong emotions. Reverse breathing can build too much tension, which would be counterproductive at times.

 

Keep smiling so that the lust turns into love. It's a very thin line between the two.

[Maddie]

In my limited experience, natural breathing (moving the diaphragm) is a big key to releasing strong emotions. Reverse breathing can build too much tension, which would be counterproductive at times.

 

Keep smiling so that the lust turns into love. It's a very thin line between the two.

 

True I don't like to over do it with reverse breathing cause like you said I definately feel more tension, but it does seem to be more effective in converting jing to chi, and lust surely isn't good for tension either lol. Indeed there is a very thin line between the two sometimes.

[Maddie]

Has anyone else has the experience that if they retain for a while, and the libido gets really high for a while, that not only the desire increases, but that sexual thoughts become more bizzare? and aggressive?

[Astral_Anima]

Has anyone else has the experience that if they retain for a while, and the libido gets really high for a while, that not only the desire increases, but that sexual thoughts become more bizzare? and aggressive?

 

haha, not at all. The less i do somthing the less i want to do something. Maybe i'm just unhealthy though

When it comes to sexual thoughts...i don't really get sexual thoughts cause i really don't care so much about sex. Again, maybe i'm just 'unhealthy" or have low jing. Or maybe it's just the way I am.

[Maddie]

I guess the meat of the matter is what are some of the most effective ways to sublimate sexual energy into jing and jing into chi? I have so far heard of full lotus, MCO, testicle breathing, big draw, stillness, ect... What in those of you who do this expereince is/are the most effective ways of conversion?

[Mokona]

Libido rises for me when I store.. It's fairly easy to turn me on after a week, and my gaze drifts unerringly to the sex parts without alot of control. The aggressive/bizaar thing is normal I think. Sex energy is damn primal - and it isn't easy to call "average" or "the norm" when sexual lusting is high. But if your planning on going pile driving, I suggest you don't forget your hard hat, and if the decibels are too loud you'll want to put in ear plugs. Haha! Sorry, that was some really lame humor.

[Mokona]

I guess the meat of the matter is what are some of the most effective ways to sublimate sexual energy into jing and jing into chi? I have so far heard of full lotus, MCO, testicle breathing, big draw, stillness, ect... What in those of you who do this expereince is/are the most effective ways of conversion?

 

I've concentrated on sending the energy back and up the spine while going at it alone. I had some soft sexual imagery to look at if I needed help and meditated while concentrating on the path I wanted the energy to travel.

The first time it worked it hit the bottom of the back of my head (The funnily shaped part) and I was stunned. I nearly fell out of my chair, strong stuff, that sex energy.

[markern]

I guess the meat of the matter is what are some of the most effective ways to sublimate sexual energy into jing and jing into chi? I have so far heard of full lotus, MCO, testicle breathing, big draw, stillness, ect... What in those of you who do this expereince is/are the most effective ways of conversion?

 

Check out Trunks turtle breathing in his practice blog and at alchemicaltaoism.com. He has found it very effective in sublimating sexual desire.

 

Headstand. the sixth tibetan rite and superbrain yoga all also help.