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[Encephalon]

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[Birch]

"what happened to reasonable, rational, educated people of purpose in this country to drive them into such burrow of cowardice that they can't speak the truth, or act decisively, or even defend themselves against such a host of vicious morons in a time of troubles?"

 

- I'm not sure. The one's I've met who still live there seem to believe they are powerless in the face of what you are referring to. So they don't really do anything.

 

- Some others I've met have left the country because they gave up and wanted a better life for themselves elsewhere

 

I guess if no-one values any of these "reasonable, rational and educated" people (to the point of them NOT being able to support themselves or their families) then they'd probably opt for a variety of options to resolve that problem - them being the reasonable, rational and educated people they are n' all.

 

Get to practicing "taoist" level and I suspect nations and border have their uses and limitations.

 

No one is a prophet in one's own... - blah blah blah.

[NeiChuan]

I believe each person has turned into.. "People".

 

A person is smart and can think for themselves, people are stupid/afraid.

 

Not to generalize but there conditioned to rest on the shoulders of people who are more then able to think for themselves.

 

 

 

 

I would imagine it that way.

[TheSongsofDistantEarth]

Edited September 2, 2010 by TheSongsofDistantEarth

[Encephalon]

We're fucked.

 

Craft yourself into a useful person and make it up here no later than 2014 -

53°55′01″N 122°44′58″W - and you'll be fine. (I'll save a place for ya.)

 

To answer Kunstler's question; 100 years of aggressive commercial advertising, 60 years of intense TV propaganda, have turned our citizens into cattle and our nation into one giant feedlot. Guess where cattle go after they're fattened?

 

The Masters of Huainan said it best over 2,000 years ago -- "When society is orderly, a fool alone cannot disturb it; when society is chaotic, a sage alone cannot bring order."

 

"To blame the Tao for not working while we are living in a polluted world is like tying down a unicorn from two directions and expecting it to run a thousand miles."

 

"Even wise leaders must await appropriate circumstances. Appropriate circumstances can only be found at the right time and cannot be fulfilled through being sought by knowledge."

Edited August 31, 2010 by Blasto

[TheSongsofDistantEarth]

Roger that, Blasto!

[gendao]

I just love how Big Lib is more threatened by the grass-roots Tea Party than neocons by "Al Queda!"

 

Yet despite their non-stop 24-7 smear campaign...throwing everything but the kitchen sink against them - the Tea Party keeps kicking the azzes of Democrats & establishment Republicans alike in races across the country!

 

Americans are simply tired of big, dumbed-down corporate politics that serve themselves & cater only to swing voters using emotional appeal & wedge issues rather than addressing our vital issues with working-class Middle America.

Edited August 31, 2010 by vortex

[betwixter]

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[TheSongsofDistantEarth]

Edited September 2, 2010 by TheSongsofDistantEarth

[Encephalon]

I just love how Big Lib is more threatened by the grass-roots Tea Party than neocons by "Al Queda!"

 

Yet despite their non-stop 24-7 smear campaign...throwing everything but the kitchen sink against them - the Tea Party keeps kicking the azzes of Democrats & establishment Republicans alike in races across the country!

 

Americans are simply tired of big, dumbed-down corporate politics that serve themselves & cater only to swing voters using emotional appeal & wedge issues rather than addressing our vital issues with working-class Middle America.

 

You're the one Alexander Pope warned us about.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html?_r=1&hp

Edited August 31, 2010 by Blasto

[TheSongsofDistantEarth]

 

Damnit...I thought the thread title was corn porn .

 

Ooh, I actually found that picture arousing...

[Encephalon]

 

Damnit...I thought the thread title was corn porn .

 

Oh, baby.... butter me up...

[NeiChuan]

I just love how Big Lib is more threatened by the grass-roots Tea Party than neocons by "Al Queda!"

 

Yet despite their non-stop 24-7 smear campaign...throwing everything but the kitchen sink against them - the Tea Party keeps kicking the azzes of Democrats & establishment Republicans alike in races across the country!

 

Americans are simply tired of big, dumbed-down corporate politics that serve themselves & cater only to swing voters using emotional appeal & wedge issues rather than addressing our vital issues with working-class Middle America.

 

Hm I believe you have some "real" research to begin.. Hopefully these *grass-roots* groups have planted a seed, and eventually you'll begin to ask questions..

 

If you have theres another platform in your life that needs questions. AKA Politics.

 

Sorry if I seem a bit more self righteous then normal everyone (including vortex). Just one of those days.

[ralis]

Ha ha, Vortex! The Tea Partiers are NOT grass roots, they are being funded by the Billionaire Koch brothers, who are leading the dumb sheep to vote against their own self-interest and are advancing the corporate agenda of their industries! You really believe it's "grass roots'? Too funny!!

 

 

Sorry to...

...bust yer bubble...

 

Their father founded the John Birch Society. I wish Vortex would do some independent thinking and research. Maybe his tin foil hat is creating interference.

 

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Koch_Family_Foundations

 

ralis

[gendao]

Their father founded the John Birch Society. I wish Vortex would do some independent thinking and research. Maybe his tin foil hat is creating interference.

 

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Koch_Family_Foundations

Lol maybe some liberals might try reading past the big headlines?

 

Seriously, is this even news? All smoke, but no fire?

 

This is ridiculous propaganda. There's not even a "smoking gun" here. All I see is how some rich dude donates to the arts, conservative causes, Libertarians and has supported (unspecific in what way) the Tea Party too. And what's so wrong about that, anyways? That's exactly what liberal moguls do with liberal causes. Doesn't even say how much money he's actually given to the Tea Party, either...despite the headline screaming that he's "bankrolled" them.

 

Gimme a f'n break, muppets. The Tea Party is not even about money & fancy conventions anyways. I think half their events are like casual BYOB tailgaters.

Edited August 31, 2010 by vortex

[TheSongsofDistantEarth]

Delusional!!!

[Aetherous]

Damnit...I thought the thread title was corn porn

 

I thought it was cone porn.

 

 

Edited August 31, 2010 by Scotty

[betwixter]

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Edited September 12, 2010 by betwixter

[Encephalon]

Lol maybe some liberals might try reading past the big headlines?

 

Seriously, is this even news? All smoke, but no fire?

 

This is ridiculous propaganda. There's not even a "smoking gun" here. All I see is how some rich dude donates to the arts, conservative causes, Libertarians and has supported (unspecific in what way) the Tea Party too. And what's so wrong about that, anyways? That's exactly what liberal moguls do with liberal causes. Doesn't even say how much money he's actually given to the Tea Party, either...despite the headline screaming that he's "bankrolled" them.

 

Gimme a f'n break, muppets. The Tea Party is not even about money & fancy conventions anyways. I think half their events are like casual BYOB tailgaters.

 

One break coming up. How about... you're f'n clueless? The corporate and right-wing bankrolling of the Tea Party movement, with no small help from Fox News, is one of the biggest stories out there right now. Who would've thought, since the same dynamic is so readily observable in the early days of the Third Reich. And you're still bogged down trying to see these events through the "liberal vs. conservative" lens. If you had any inkling of the genesis of your own ideas you would realize that criticism leveled at conservatives doesn't automatically translate to liberal sympathies. Kunstler may appear "liberal" but he's quite a libertine and rarely delivers nice messages to the Big Libs.

 

J-F-C, get a library card.

[innerspace_cadet]

America as we know it is finished. Too many people have been traumatized by the current economic meltdown to open their wallets again. But why the fuck should they? They don't have jobs, and their unemployment insurance is going to run out soon. They don't have money to spend to prop up the "consumer economy."

 

Seriously folks, why do you think so many people who grew up during the Great Depression are such unbelievable penny pinchers? Because they had to be, and because they were traumatized by the experience of having so little. My grandmother grew up during the Great Depression, and to this day she absolutely hates to throw anything--and I mean anything--out. It is 2010, and she can't stand throwing something out--even if it is moldy bread. The Great Recession will have repercussions for years into the future, because people these days are too afraid to buy anything.

 

If our economy, as the pundits say, is "consumer oriented" then we are toast, because people are figuring out that they can't afford to be consumers any more. No number of stimulus packages will change this. I for one don't want to serve the economy by buying shit I don't need, especially if that shit was bought with a credit card with a high interest rate.

 

The Glenn Beck rally is symptomatic of the American tendency to lean on politicians and hucksters to solve their problems, but this is a much bigger mess than some ex-Cokehead like Beck can solve.

[electric gravity]

Pray make your aura more holy and by magnetic induction affect those around you. And by the will of god listening to your prayers hopefully lets the channel reopen for the one with the right aura to influence the american culture back to harmony. if not this demonic influence will continue. if you think im bs'ing just check the tnt line up Monday thru friday 7am to noon its all filled with demonic shit. The more time you spend with ur mind on an around demonic presence the more your aura is influenced by it by the same magnetic law get it .....magnetic. And your energy practice just enhances it by making your aura stronger. Trust me on this pray and cultivate spend time in prayer an bath your self in the holy presence bath in the holy energy.

 

The rally that happened this past weekend took about 3yrs in building that spirit in people.

 

If only people realized that Jesus spoke about leaving the cycle of karma and entering the cycle of grace instead.

 

The cycle of karma means death to you unless you become a Buddha but this isn't meant for everyone. If you stay in the cycle of karma you have to work off the bad karma you have and inherited but you can only do so if you enough good karma to let you do it!

 

Jesus came for the cycle of grace.

 

So movies like the matrix and star wars is pushed but Christianity is down played and kept at odds with Taoism and Buddhism while witchcraft is promoted. In this case it leaves people wanting abilities and powers and wanting to feel special but not holy because if the public really knew the truth about Christianity, Buddhism, and Taoism, they would understand divine virtue and really want that. The deception is deep.

 

The only thing you have to do is cultivate virtue and leave the cycle of karma. The real path is kept small for a reason.

 

Understanding that Jesus brought the cycle of grace will make you appreciate Jesus, Chang Sang Feng, and Buddha more.

 

Those at Glenn Beck's rally are being influenced by something that is not holy or there own. You will recognize this tree by this fruit. Vanity driven agenda, drunkenness of the heart, backed by self justification lead by unnatural intuition.

 

Say god and Israel 3 times and realize that this is the major problem man has with god and by the time it gets back to Israel all of man will realize it. While Germany will Germ-many (get it the signs has always been there).

 

The ability to broadcast energy is more dangerous than guns (which is just an advance way of stoning each other while giving fake fire power)and is one of the reasons that real fire power is kept back from the public. In doing so keeping the public dumb.

 

The deception is deep but its channel to manifest is thru our own sin.

 

Understand

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[TheSongsofDistantEarth]

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[joeblast]

The bigger mystery in all this -- if I may perhaps engage in some nostalgia of my own -- is: what happened to reasonable, rational, educated people of purpose in this country to drive them into such burrow of cowardice that they can't speak the truth, or act decisively, or even defend themselves against such a host of vicious morons in a time of troubles?"

Vomit aside, the answer is so painfully simple: political correctness killed it. "Everything MUST be fair to everyone" is going against the grain of nature, and decline is obviously following.

 

Its pretty funny that people will make up all kinds of crap and peddle it as truth - yeah, its all about "get the nigger out of the white house" - what are you f'n stupid??? People that are so hopelessly politically correct cant possibly think ohhhh maybe it might be policies? Maybe its that Obama actually has a little bit of a track record we can score him on, he actually has to ACT on something instead of letting his glowing orations fix the world's ills - and its those acts, the returning of favors to those who fueled his snowball's chance in hell to the WH...sorry dude, cant vote Present anymore, you have to reveal who you are now with your actions...and as far as a whole hell of a lot of us are concerned, Obama is running towards the wrong end zone, put simply.

 

...and that's why just about everyone I know cant stand the guy. Absolutely ZERO whatsoever about his race....so sick of idiots playing all of the "social detriment" card, race, what have you...cant keep an argument on data and empirical reality, nope, it's racism, you nazi bastards

 

Amazing that whackoes like this have an ear - this writing was one of the most useless pieces of trash I've read in quite a while. I find it odd that some of you guys just lap this stuff right up and enjoy it, provably blatant falsehoods and mischaracterizations and all. But god forbid if somebody wrote something inaccurate about Obama or any of these lefty slops!

[Encephalon]

Vomit aside, the answer is so painfully simple: political correctness killed it. "Everything MUST be fair to everyone" is going against the grain of nature, and decline is obviously following.

 

Its pretty funny that people will make up all kinds of crap and peddle it as truth - yeah, its all about "get the nigger out of the white house" - what are you f'n stupid??? People that are so hopelessly politically correct cant possibly think ohhhh maybe it might be policies? Maybe its that Obama actually has a little bit of a track record we can score him on, he actually has to ACT on something instead of letting his glowing orations fix the world's ills - and its those acts, the returning of favors to those who fueled his snowball's chance in hell to the WH...sorry dude, cant vote Present anymore, you have to reveal who you are now with your actions...and as far as a whole hell of a lot of us are concerned, Obama is running towards the wrong end zone, put simply.

 

...and that's why just about everyone I know cant stand the guy. Absolutely ZERO whatsoever about his race....so sick of idiots playing all of the "social detriment" card, race, what have you...cant keep an argument on data and empirical reality, nope, it's racism, you nazi bastards

 

Amazing that whackoes like this have an ear - this writing was one of the most useless pieces of trash I've read in quite a while. I find it odd that some of you guys just lap this stuff right up and enjoy it, provably blatant falsehoods and mischaracterizations and all. But god forbid if somebody wrote something inaccurate about Obama or any of these lefty slops!

 

Hey JOe!! Welcome back. Your summer must be more interesting than mine. I no longer expect you to address the points specified by various arguments, so it's no surprise that your sentiment fell into place the way it did. "vomit... this is trash... I disagree... everyone I know hates this guy...."

 

A careful reading will show that Kunstler has nothing but contempt for Obama, although he was relieved that someone with thoughts in his head had moved in to the White House.

 

I think your answer to his last question is very well thought out. I think class allegiance is a legitiamte argument, and I could express an argument for social darwinism that would make your blood coagulate as we speak. I find it astonishing that folks like yourself, and the rest of the hard right, can continue to harangue Obama out of the perception that he's trying to "redistribute the wealth," that he's a socialist who wants to penalize productivity by taxing people and giving away the money to the surplus population, who really don't do anything useful anyway. "Political correctness is to blame!"

 

What seems to go unaddressed by your side of the aisle is the upwardly redistributive nature of corporate capitalism in the first place. While you've been railing about food stamps,the upper class has consolidated even more wealth and power, the middle class is being destroyed (the goal of corporate America since the 60s), and the country's broke. And if we had a plan (which some do) of rebuilding the country with a state of the art infrastructure and housing stock, we can't, because there's no more credit available. The US is being hollowed out and turned into a third world country, and all you can manage to do is blame PC and some poor son of a bitch getting a welfare check. This has been your line consistently since I've been in here, and it's "painfully simple" from my side of the aisle.

 

All those tea party jerkoffs share the same sentiments. Granted, some of them are completely clueless, and this becomes evident when reporters actually get them to answer questions on camera, but for the most part, they are the same crowd of uneducated reactionaries that have always embraced the simplest explanations when they're desperate for answers and the truth is getting buried under reactionary bullshit (see Weimar). Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are the Joe McCarthys and the Father Coughlins of the day; hopelessly uninformed, obscenely incurious, uneducated and willing to be exploited by Fox News to rile up the masses with sermons that demonize anyone who dare criticizes the status quo.

 

And we're off!!

Edited August 31, 2010 by Blasto

[electric gravity]

Well Obama is just a way for Arnold Schwarzenegger(whos dad was a nazi) to become President(they couldnt make arnold the president right off the bat so they gave him the biggest state). What hitler had that our government didnt have until recently was a minority in office that they can blame stuff on. Now they do. Obama's whole role is to be indecisive and to have issues with his birth certificate while things continue to get worse. Then arnold( this paves the way for Schwarzenegger) will come along and with the help of the nwo seem to fix everything. Then he will blame obama and african americans in general for the decline in america. Once you understand this then you will see the real plot behind hiphop and even the leaders in that industry are working with the nwo for this agenda.

 

like i said,

 

"Vanity driven agenda, drunkenness of the heart, backed by self justification lead by unnatural intuition."

 

I wasnt speaking out of my ass when i said that i was referring to something specific.