Norwegian city offers qigong to all citizens for free

[johndoe2012]

This is it in black & white.

you actually admit that you after a mere five years already have succeeded to get money from the state (because you can)

that the state assists youin trying to make a successful business.

this mentality..I will NOT tell you what I think of it but let you guess for yourself

 

I'm not sure where I stand on libertarianism / socialism. As the welfare state in Denmark and Sweden is collapsing we cannot ignore the level of economic competition in the world - however with a global economy companies are using slave labor in China and we cannot really compete against that.

True libertarians are for freedom not only for capitalists but for everyone. There exist very few people in power who are for true freedom.

 

The game is not played "fair": normal people who get a chance to get money from the state, capitalists who get a chance to profit from slave labor will do so. Nobody can really point the finger at the other party and blaming them for the current state of affairs. The rich blame the poor, the poor blame the rich.

 

There isn't a single country in the world living the ideals of a perfect economy with no deficit because it is simply impossible to make such a calculation as how to fit together pieces of theory so the deficit/surplus becomes 0. And why are we still chasing this idea when it is clearly impossible?

 

The economists will insist on changes, but as history shows very few changes really occur.

 

I'm contemplating everyday more and more that to think even one thought about economy is a waste of time and there is not really a difference of this and that and good and bad. Only that there is.

Edited September 7, 2010 by wtm

[gendao]

And, should they want an employee or two, they won't be paying them $7-8$ bucks an hour, but over four times that much at around $30/hour.

 

You love it...

Because you know full well the $10,000 dollars I received was exactly how much it took just to cover the extensive cost to officially incorporate my business in the expensive Norwegian system, whereas back home in the U.S. it would cost me only $300. Another huge disparity and reason why the money is available to a foreigner to assist in starting a business. Especially if they decide they need you here. None of that money went toward establishing the physical business itself, just the legal corporate entity on paper. For this high fee, back in the U.S., I could have set up thirty corporate bodies. A 1 to 30 disparity in expense.

Ahh, trouble in Socialist paradise? Say it isn't so!

 

Well, instead of simply stopping the buck at each point-of-sale...once you decide to "compassionately" keep passing it around like a merry-go-round...it ultimately ends up getting evenly-distributed amongst the taxpayers in the end.

 

Why else would the legal fees for starting a business be an astounding $10K? Obviously, they must have been shifting the costs for all of their social services (like "free" qigong classes) onto entrepreneurs. Which now only makes the situation worse because now no one (unless you're a foreigner?) can afford to start up any new businesses to actually create more wealth (instead of just circle-jerking it around)...

 

 

It seems this liberal ethos has totally infected the Western hemisphere and that's the real reason why they are getting reality-checked by Asians now who are still relying upon good old-fashioned smart & hard ("slave labor" lmao) work. Rather than various New Age "Law Of Attraction," corporate bailouts for those "too big to fail," welfare for those "too failing to fail," "spending our way out of debt" and other "progressive" positive-thinking (but never actually DOING) ways to "harmonic wealth" BS...peddled by media-saavy magic genies promising instant gratification (for just a few $5000 seminars!).

Edited September 8, 2010 by vortex

[metal dog]

I'm contemplating everyday more and more that to think even one thought about economy is a waste of time and there is not really a difference of this and that and good and bad. Only that there is.

 

Survive and thrive.

And let all naysayers and mooters skitter away like tumbleweeds chased in the wind by dustdevils.

 

But they need not fret, for I forgive them in advance for their...myopic insolence.

Edited September 7, 2010 by metal dog

[johndoe2012]

Ahh, trouble in Socialist paradise? Say it isn't so!

 

Well, Denmark, Sweden and Norway are not Socialist per se, but socialdemocratic - ok, I mentioned the word myself LOL.

 

Anyway, let me tell you that the total cost of starting a legal business in Denmark is 0 DKK = $0. Quite easy, no paper is involved, you do it online.

Edited September 7, 2010 by wtm

[rain]

What you describe as "...actually admit" in a tone of utter condemnation is what I call "Not being ashamed to speak the truth in all things, no matter how ignorant of the matter others may be who rush to judgment".

 

What you describe as "...this mentality" is your judgmental and condescending tone coming from someone who doesn't know shit about shit and finds the distance and anonymity of an internet forum to be their soapbox, upon which they can easily sit and vomit their spew.

 

I know what you think of it...

 

You love it...

Because you know full well that things in Norway cost three to five times more than in the U.S. and that Norway is the most expensive place in the world to live...beating out Japan. Thus any foreigners setting up a business will face building, labor or renovation costs that are going to be a huge disparity over what it would cost for them to setup a business in their own home country. And, should they want an employee or two, they won't be paying them $7-8$ bucks an hour, but over four times that much at around $30/hour.

 

You love it...

Because you know full well the $10,000 dollars I received was exactly how much it took just to cover the extensive cost to officially incorporate my business in the expensive Norwegian system, whereas back home in the U.S. it would cost me only $300. Another huge disparity and reason why the money is available to a foreigner to assist in starting a business. Especially if they decide they need you here. None of that money went toward establishing the physical business itself, just the legal corporate entity on paper. For this high fee, back in the U.S., I could have set up thirty corporate bodies. A 1 to 30 disparity in expense.

 

You love it...

Because you know full well that a foreigner here having to learn a new language, business and tax laws is at a serious business disadvantage for the first three years until they somewhat become a master of the system on all levels. Lest you be shunned into business failure thinking speaking English will be acceptable by the populace, especially with such a personalized health service like I provide. The personal funds shelled out on education and course costs for business and law for basic business needs was well over the amount granted to me by the state.

 

You love it...

Because you know full well that the service I provide is rare and valuable to the community where I live who benefit greatly regarding maintenance of their health.

 

And that by coming to see me for stress reduction and injury prevention the total amount of money saved by the state for out-of-work back and neck related pain in sick pay and welfare benefits is above and beyond the $10,000 granted to me. All within the first six months of my initial operations. Which I proved to them would be the case with years of data I have kept with my corporate accounts and group rates. This money saved by the state is well over a hundred times more than the $10,000 granted to me just to cover incorporation costs.

 

You love it...

Because you know that the likelihood of a self-owned and rurally located business with a small population has a tremendous likelihood to overcome which is going out of business within the first year. No matter your business plan and no matter how good and professional your intentions and preparations. I am used to working in an area of 5 million potential customers within a two city area of Miami and Fort Lauderdale back in Florida. There are only 4.8 million in Norway total. Another disparity that will sink you quick in many a business venture.

 

You love it...

Because you know so many people native to Norway do their best to get a cushy, comfortable, safe, secure "state" job within the system with all the welfare benefits and thus the lack of stimulus for private business ownership and entrepreneurial ventures, and being responsible for yourself is low.

And that this, in the long run, becomes even more of a drain off the public welfare system and draws people into a complacent non-competitive state of mind. And that lack of competitiveness creates a dulled zombie not capable of critical or progressive thinking and developments.

 

I am so successful now, even against all the disparities and challenges, that a new client has to wait eight weeks to get an appointment.

 

But for you...sweetie pie...you can wait twelve weeks.

 

No wait, let me rephrase that.

 

If you were bruised and bleeding rolling around half-witted in a gutter moaning for my assistance to help you to your feet...I would let you lie in the damp cockroach laden filth of your own soiled underwear before ever lifting a finger to help someone the likes of you.

 

(As I would not want to adopt the mentality that you may actually need my assistance...no...no...no. You would get a swift kick in your crusty ass as I tell you to, "Get a job"..."You go getter you!" And thus you would be content writhing in your own filth...as you know the universe was being fair to you and giving back what you give out.)

 

I know that I am not some faceless moniker, that norway has placed all the ridiculous oil money in risky affairs, is polluting its shores, building foreign sandcastles, probably already lost everything in america owned by china, that they are supporting this and that and probably is the only country in the world who has politicians who believe they can create peace in tghe middle east by just suggesting it. we have no backbone and dont daresay that we dont like being chased from specific ghettos by agressive sponsored muslims raping our women calling them whores.

It is a sad sad naive little country that welcomes people like you and makes it possible to establish business or even live on welfare, approx half a million people are living on social security and are payed the same as when they were in full employment.

 

You dont know me and you wont get to know me

Iknow that we do not need yet another brain dead selfabsorbed foreigner to come lecture us about a lack of ingenious roots

 

Btw you do write a lot of nonsens, if you do not like my attitude maybe you should check out your own.

Edited September 7, 2010 by rain

[Mal]

[Gerard]

[hagar]

I LOVE YOU

[hagar]

What you describe as "...actually admit" in a tone of utter condemnation is what I call "Not being ashamed to speak the truth in all things, no matter how ignorant of the matter others may be who rush to judgment".

 

What you describe as "...this mentality" is your judgmental and condescending tone coming from someone who doesn't know shit about shit and finds the distance and anonymity of an internet forum to be their soapbox, upon which they can easily sit and vomit their spew.

 

I know what you think of it...

 

You love it...

Because you know full well that things in Norway cost three to five times more than in the U.S. and that Norway is the most expensive place in the world to live...beating out Japan. Thus any foreigners setting up a business will face building, labor or renovation costs that are going to be a huge disparity over what it would cost for them to setup a business in their own home country. And, should they want an employee or two, they won't be paying them $7-8$ bucks an hour, but over four times that much at around $30/hour.

 

You love it...

Because you know full well the $10,000 dollars I received was exactly how much it took just to cover the extensive cost to officially incorporate my business in the expensive Norwegian system, whereas back home in the U.S. it would cost me only $300. Another huge disparity and reason why the money is available to a foreigner to assist in starting a business. Especially if they decide they need you here. None of that money went toward establishing the physical business itself, just the legal corporate entity on paper. For this high fee, back in the U.S., I could have set up thirty corporate bodies. A 1 to 30 disparity in expense.

 

You love it...

Because you know full well that a foreigner here having to learn a new language, business and tax laws is at a serious business disadvantage for the first three years until they somewhat become a master of the system on all levels. Lest you be shunned into business failure thinking speaking English will be acceptable by the populace, especially with such a personalized health service like I provide. The personal funds shelled out on education and course costs for business and law for basic business needs was well over the amount granted to me by the state.

 

You love it...

Because you know full well that the service I provide is rare and valuable to the community where I live who benefit greatly regarding maintenance of their health.

 

And that by coming to see me for stress reduction and injury prevention the total amount of money saved by the state for out-of-work back and neck related pain in sick pay and welfare benefits is above and beyond the $10,000 granted to me. All within the first six months of my initial operations. Which I proved to them would be the case with years of data I have kept with my corporate accounts and group rates. This money saved by the state is well over a hundred times more than the $10,000 granted to me just to cover incorporation costs.

 

You love it...

Because you know that the likelihood of a self-owned and rurally located business with a small population has a tremendous likelihood to overcome which is going out of business within the first year. No matter your business plan and no matter how good and professional your intentions and preparations. I am used to working in an area of 5 million potential customers within a two city area of Miami and Fort Lauderdale back in Florida. There are only 4.8 million in Norway total. Another disparity that will sink you quick in many a business venture.

 

You love it...

Because you know so many people native to Norway do their best to get a cushy, comfortable, safe, secure "state" job within the system with all the welfare benefits and thus the lack of stimulus for private business ownership and entrepreneurial ventures, and being responsible for yourself is low.

And that this, in the long run, becomes even more of a drain off the public welfare system and draws people into a complacent non-competitive state of mind. And that lack of competitiveness creates a dulled zombie not capable of critical or progressive thinking and developments.

 

I am so successful now, even against all the disparities and challenges, that a new client has to wait eight weeks to get an appointment.

 

But for you...sweetie pie...you can wait twelve weeks.

 

No wait, let me rephrase that.

 

If you were bruised and bleeding rolling around half-witted in a gutter moaning for my assistance to help you to your feet...I would let you lie in the damp cockroach laden filth of your own soiled underwear before ever lifting a finger to help someone the likes of you.

 

(As I would not want to adopt the mentality that you may actually need my assistance...no...no...no. You would get a swift kick in your crusty ass as I tell you to, "Get a job"..."You go getter you!" And thus you would be content writhing in your own filth...as you know the universe was being fair to you and giving back what you give out.)

 

Wow. This thread really went off...

 

I'd have to say for the record, that when I came back from China, and saw the old country again, I realized what a blessed place we live in. I must have done something right in past lives...

 

h

[metal dog]

Iknow that we do not need yet another brain dead selfabsorbed foreigner to come lecture us about a lack of ingenious roots

 

Ahhh...this explains a lot now knowing that you are one of the brødskive peoples.

 

And thank you for that most validating comment.

You are making all my points clearly and poignantly.

 

Norwegians can never, ever, take any criticism of themselves, their society or their culture.

Even when they feign curiosity and directly ask a foreigner what that person may like and dislike about Norway.

When you say what you like, they light up like Christmas trees, puff up their chests like roosters and strut and cluck.

 

But once the dislike parts and opinions start getting rattled off...they bury their heads in the sand and write you off as...ungrateful or delusional. Like you owe them some false flattery and servitude, because now you are in their system "sapping" off their welfare, as they would tend to think it to themselves. Like your money is somehow their money.

Denial to the utmost. There only reply to you is "Then why do you live here." So much for self-reflection.

Your people need some work. There is no motivation on their parts to even consider this.

 

As I said, they think they are better than they really are and above real self-examination or reproach.

It is a common thing...sadly.

This isn't even touching the blatant xenophobia and racism, particularly outside the metro areas.

Or the use of second world eastern Europeans and Polish as laborers. ("Norwegian Mexicans")

Or the Thai internet brides brought over as domestic slaves and f#ck toys. Only to be sent back to Thailand just before the deadline where they would be entitled for residency. Only to be replaced with another one until those couple of years run out.

 

Aftenposten recently stated 25% of all Norwegians are on and/or abusing anti-depressants, psychotropic drugs or pain killers. Another additional 425,000 Norwegians (of 4.8 million total) are in need of professional psychiatric help. Middle class angst....ooh the pain...I drive a Toyota but want a BMW. Or the stress from that 32 hour work week.

 

Why would one even attempt to ask a Norwegian to criticize Norway when they lack such objectivity and can never relax their false pride by taking the most legit critique of those who are foreign and see the blatant contradictions of reality v.s. what they attempt to project themselves and their society to be?

 

This is, as I previously stated, is their most insidious, widespread and biggest fault.

 

And you have revealed it as the root since your very first response and so shall you all linger in your pretentiousness and bitterness toward foreigners who have the eye and the mind to know what's real and say it like it is.

 

As far as Muslims and rapes, this has nothing to do with me for I am not Muslim and I do not rape, nor am I a criminal.

Sounds like you have been subscribing to way too much Siv Jensen and FRP causing you to project it onto me and my criticisms of Norway and what it tries to pass off v.s. what is really there.

Pure deflection from what I am saying.

 

I find your defensive rebuttals laughable to the utmost for excellent reasons.

 

There are a very few enlightened Norwegians self-aware of what I am talking about.

My close Norwegian family and a couple close friends who have fully admitted to themselves long ago and to me more recently that my points are more than valid. They were the ones who actually brought forth the full revelations.

This type of honesty will only come from Norwegians who have actually spent perhaps five or more years outside of their gilded cage in foreign lands to have something for the sake of comparison. All these enlightened Norwegians act differently in this respect and it was they, the few, who gave me validation to my initial observations when I first moved here. The best critic of Norway in all of its grandeur is an old Norwegian friend of mine who spent twenty years traveling the world in the military. He is multi-cultural and open-minded, and quite creative to....seeing how the "Brødskive Peoples" is his own and I just borrow it from time to time.

 

When I first moved here, I slowly began to make observations and started to ask myself..."What the f#ck?"

Fortunately a couple of enlightened native souls answered my questions and make sense out of it.

I had no initial clue just vague feelings based on encounters and subtle hues of something amiss.

But over time, and with consistency, coupled with these resounding validations and elaborations I know what I am saying is honest and true.

 

Sorry...but your attempt at arguing this over the testimonies of these Norwegians and masses of non-raping immigrants I have the honor of communicating with have validated it beyond debate.

 

I never new a Muslim until arriving in Norway. Ones I have encountered are some of the nicest people I have ever met. My best friend is a Muslim. You should see the looks from the brødskiver when a white American and a Somali Muslim walk down the street talking and laughing with no judgments or prejudices between them. Their prevailing attitude much similar to your own.

 

Just look at the situation with the supposed Aryan Master Race babies with German fathers and Norwegian mothers from WWII. Your people and society treated these kids like they were lower than dirt, literally spit upon them and threw them all into state-run homes and asylums. Burying the problem, head in the sand style, with discrimination and abuse as these children had to suffer all their lives and still suffer as old adults. Which is why they just sued the Norwegian government successfully for these injustices. Nevermind the attitudes of the typical Norwegians around them shitt#ing on these "half-breeds".

Couldn't even accept the innocent half-Norwegian children of war as one of your own. Imagine how it is for an outsider coming to your country.

 

It's too bad you had to take this stance. As if I were lying or exaggerating my claims. Or were just some hateful miserable person who had to project falsehoods to satiate some inner insecurities or an inflated ego.

But nothing could be further from the truth.

I feel sorry for you if that is what you choose to believe in this instance.

 

I am just as critical of the U.S., my own home country and its people, even more in that respect.

I don't let blinders of any kind effect how things really are.

 

You and your people have some work to do.

Am I perfect? Yes. And I am always right? Definitely, as it is the world that is truly "all wrong".

Don't believe it? Get over it and stop fooling yourself otherwise.

 

But really, what's the harm in your accepting the short-comings I have been kind and generous enough to spend my time enumerating and explaining for you? Think about that one for while before you just defensively tippity-tappity away on your keyboard with another retort.

 

Stop with the invalidations, denials and deflections.

Do some self-inventory and make some real change for the betterment of your people and society on the real level.

 

I find it interesting and most predictable that you concede nothing.

But, instead, make it about me or Muslims.

Again, validating my points.

 

And don't worry, I'll get back to you pronto when I start noticing a difference.

Now get to work on it.

 

Peace out.

Edited September 8, 2010 by metal dog

[metal dog]

Apologies Mal, this is how it is for me when someone so grossly attempts to insult my intelligence and the blatantly obvious.

 

Hagar threw in a bit of back-up.

 

I know non-raping hoards that will nod in agreement.

 

And Rain...no hard feelings on my part.

There is so much that cannot be communicated or known about another person through the vehicle of a forum.

 

It is also understandable as to why someone would find my quips a bit over the top. But that is what is needed to compensate for the reluctance for those to see.

 

It is my wish that we do get along.

Edited September 8, 2010 by metal dog

[hagar]

Dude! You're something else

 

What did I throw in a back up?

 

Norway, and the other Scandinavian countries have one thing in common; we're living in a little bubble. But then again who doesn't. And we're pretty depressed as a people, popping anti depressants, and getting drunk at weekends paying 10 dollars pr beer. And we have trouble integrating our new muslim population.

 

From a more personal note, I just got notice from my master that when he comes to Norway to teach in late november he wants me to take him to the mountains to teach him alpine skiing. I've been skiing all my life, but this will probably be the scariest thing I've ever done.

What do I say? In the chairlift? That awkward silence when he reads my mind?

Its like having the pope over for dinner.

 

Shows my low level to ponder such questions. But imagine; a qigong master learning how to ski: Ski Gong. If I filmed it, I'd be making contemporary art.

 

h

[johndoe2012]

Metal dog: your comments about people needing psychiatric help because they are on antidepressants are way off base.

 

In the Scandinavian countries there is simply much less light than in middle and southern europe which means less production of vitamin D in the body. This is what off the causes of so-called winter depression. The harsher conditions generally makes people more inward gazing and you won't find the craziness of Spain.

 

From october to march I use a lamp with artificial sunlight about 30 minutes every morning and take 700% of recommended daily intake of vitamin D to combat the winter depression.

 

Because of qigong and tai chi and the above I am not as effected as I once were. However I still look forward to the spring especially in december where there is only sunlight from 8 or 9 am to 3 pm!

[gendao]

You should see the looks from the brødskiver when a white American and a Somali Muslim walk down the street talking and laughing with no judgments or prejudices between them. Their prevailing attitude much similar to your own.

Yet, you both freely chose to immigrate to Norway as adults. You could have moved anywhere in the world. Why not Somalia? Why not elsewhere in Africa or an Islamic country - if that's what you truly love? Yet, you chose to raise your family in a wealthy, Nordic society with no Black ghettos or a vast Muslim population precisely because you love it!

 

That's why you 2 are best friends now. You are both benefitting from Norwegian Socialism in the same manner. And why the brødskivers may resent you both. It doesn't make either of you better than them - because you are on opposite sides of certain financial transactions - it is only natural for the forced benefactors to resent the pre-designated beneficiaries. Forced wealth redistribution is what makes Socialism ultimately divisive & self-destructive.

 

And remember, when we get overemotional about an issue, we are usually Freudian-projecting it upon others...(see Byron Katie)

 

This does not mean your criticisms have (or haven't) no merit - just that things resonate most strongly when they exist within ourselves as well. Because if you truly believed in your own "convictions" here - you'd be writing from Somalia right now...NOT Norway! Yes, it's all-too-easy to preach about how "multiculti" you are...when you are shouting from an ivory tower in a wealthy White gated country!

Just look at the situation with the supposed Aryan Master Race babies with German fathers and Norwegian mothers from WWII. Your people and society treated these kids like they were lower than dirt, literally spit upon them and threw them all into state-run homes and asylums. Burying the problem, head in the sand style, with discrimination and abuse as these children had to suffer all their lives and still suffer as old adults. Which is why they just sued the Norwegian government successfully for these injustices. Nevermind the attitudes of the typical Norwegians around them shitt#ing on these "half-breeds".

Couldn't even accept the innocent half-Norwegian children of war as one of your own. Imagine how it is for an outsider coming to your country.

Women who sleep with the "enemy" during wartime are commonly regarded as "traitors" in the worst way. Although it is quite common because women are always the first to jump ship to side with the winner, lol!!! Edited September 8, 2010 by vortex

[suninmyeyes]

Just reading this thread : ...(Re:Metal Dog)

Its not written in a spirit of discussion,but what sound to me- some sort of dislike for the nation.

If we continue like this we can find something wrong with every country and start war maybe.

 

what you wrote in few places and your last reply to Rain was just so ugly to read mate.I am not saying you have no right to get upset,but take it easy.

Respekt .

Vortex has a good point too but Im not convinced about last two sentences !

Edited September 8, 2010 by suninmyeyes

[metal dog]

Dude! You're something else

 

What did I throw in a back up?

 

Norway, and the other Scandinavian countries have one thing in common; we're living in a little bubble. But then again who doesn't. And we're pretty depressed as a people, popping anti depressants, and getting drunk at weekends paying 10 dollars pr beer. And we have trouble integrating our new muslim population.

 

From a more personal note, I just got notice from my master that when he comes to Norway to teach in late november he wants me to take him to the mountains to teach him alpine skiing. I've been skiing all my life, but this will probably be the scariest thing I've ever done.

What do I say? In the chairlift? That awkward silence when he reads my mind?

Its like having the pope over for dinner.

 

Shows my low level to ponder such questions. But imagine; a qigong master learning how to ski: Ski Gong. If I filmed it, I'd be making contemporary art.

 

h

 

When I said back up, there was one previous post where you mentioned you were somewhat in agreement, or I was accurate with what I had said.

 

Ski Gong. I like it. The man is responsible for where he is and what he does even if he is under your tutelage. So if a broken leg is his destiny...

I am sure it will be joyful.

 

Will your chi qigong master be teaching to the public or just a select group when he arrives?

I know of two other people who may be interested in attending such a thing.

[metal dog]

Metal dog: your comments about people needing psychiatric help because they are on antidepressants are way off base.

 

In the Scandinavian countries there is simply much less light than in middle and southern europe which means less production of vitamin D in the body. This is what off the causes of so-called winter depression. The harsher conditions generally makes people more inward gazing and you won't find the craziness of Spain.

 

From october to march I use a lamp with artificial sunlight about 30 minutes every morning and take 700% of recommended daily intake of vitamin D to combat the winter depression.

 

Because of qigong and tai chi and the above I am not as effected as I once were. However I still look forward to the spring especially in december where there is only sunlight from 8 or 9 am to 3 pm!

 

Just to clarify your first statement...

These are not my personal comments from my head.

These are not my opinions.

It was not me, personally, saying Norwegians needed anything regarding psychological care.

 

I was paraphrasing from the Aftenposten newspaper (Norway's largest) that did a story on it and this is what they declared. The article also had a detailed full-page geographical map of all the areas of Norway and how many and which kinds of these particular drugs were being prescribed and prescription filled through their pharmacies regionally. As most of it is all contained in databases.

So, if my repeating what the Norwegian newspaper was stating and their backing up with data is incorrect it is because the newspaper and their sources are incorrect...and off base as you put it.

Which would then draw my criticism as to Norway having a fraudulent newspaper printing propaganda demonizing its own people. Which I don't believe is the case.

But this was not my opinion being stated in this instance.

 

Ahhh...yes. The sunlight issue. This too was addressed in the article about the lack of light and vitamin D. And I have done my own researches on this.

It was also stated how much this is overly-considered as a factor and that seasonal depression could not account for a majority of these alarming numbers. In fact no more than 10%, and 3% in some conservative estimates, were attributed to this consideration.

 

And I will make a correction. They did not state that 400,000 Norwegians were in need of psychological clinical care...but were already getting it.

 

I have lived here for five years and don't suffer from depression, nor seasonally. Nor does my Norwegian wife, her family or any of our close associations. Of my busy practice I do hear of it more and it is usually in the season of later fall to early spring...not all year round.

And I would say that it really is about one in ten from my assessments from that small pool of random people who come in for bodywork.

 

And the point was not to declare what was causing the depression, but that the depression is there and to what extent.

 

And that this from a psycho-social perspective could explain a few things regarding my observations of the society.

 

Nothing exaggerated just considered.

Edited September 9, 2010 by metal dog

[hagar]

[metal dog]

Yet, you both freely chose to immigrate to Norway as adults. You could have moved anywhere in the world. Why not Somalia? Why not elsewhere in Africa or an Islamic country - if that's what you truly love? Yet, you chose to raise your family in a wealthy, Nordic society with no Black ghettos or a vast Muslim population precisely because you love it!

 

That's why you 2 are best friends now. You are both benefitting from Norwegian Socialism in the same manner. And why the brødskivers may resent you both. It doesn't make either of you better than them - because you are on opposite sides of certain financial transactions - it is only natural for the forced benefactors to resent the pre-designated beneficiaries. Forced wealth redistribution is what makes Socialism ultimately divisive & self-destructive.

 

And remember, when we get overemotional about an issue, we are usually Freudian-projecting it upon others...(see Byron Katie)

 

This does not mean your criticisms have (or haven't) no merit - just that things resonate most strongly when they exist within ourselves as well. Because if you truly believed in your own "convictions" here - you'd be writing from Somalia right now...NOT Norway! Yes, it's all-too-easy to preach about how "multiculti" you are...when you are shouting from an ivory tower in a wealthy White gated country!Women who sleep with the "enemy" during wartime are commonly regarded as "traitors" in the worst way. Although it is quite common because women are always the first to jump ship to side with the winner, lol!!!

 

Yours is an interesting post.

 

With a lack of sufficient information about me or my motives you make inquiry, then accusations leading yourself into making conclusions. It's as almost as if you don't really need me to answer or elaborate because you and Freud already know the score.

You also display a lot of pretentious arrogance coupled with ignorance.

But I like this about you. Maybe one of your better qualities so let's embrace it...for now.

 

But I shall elaborate for you nonetheless...despite the subtle undercurrent of judgment and disapproval in your post.

 

First, let me correct you on your very first statement.

 

My Somalian friend, who is far removed and irrelevant concerning my criticisms of Norwegian society, did not come to Norway as an adult and not "freely". He was thirteen, watched his mother and father gunned down and shot in their heads before his very eyes. Through United Nations machinations he ended up in Norway under the designation of asylum seeker. His story is not my own and it would not do his journey justice to confuse the two. But choice, at that time, was not his. And to say the he "enjoys" the benefits of Norwegian Socialism would be false. He thinks the system makes people...lazy, dumb and weak. He actually refused most of the welfare he has been offered by the state, has two jobs and prefers to earn his own way. His own personal belief system in himself and personal responsibility compels him to do this. And he has made great strides in his life by not having accepted social welfare or remain in a state of acceptance of welfare. He told the Norwegians trying to convince him he needed to be a ward of the state forever under welfare with a subsistence living to go f#ck themselves. And he has become more successful as a result. You see, the system loves to keep immigrants trapped in receiving welfare...because you will never be more than that monthly payment, never be a success, never develop competition against the native population, you will be kept low and insignificant.

He is the antithesis to this mentality. His ten year plan is to work earn his own money and in ten years move back to Somalia and buy a farm and start a family. His reasons for being here were not his own at his early age. But he has survived, thrived and made a plan...and he does not like nor want to stay in Norway at all. He rejects the Norwegian Socialist society and the parts of the West that lead people into complacency and dullness.

 

He is not a practicing Muslim and believes that anyone calling themselves a Muslim promoting terrorism or harming another human being is not a true Muslim (in his opinion 60% of the Muslim world are not practicing true Islam). I think the same could be said for any major religion.

 

You now know his quality and why I am proud to consider him a friend. For you to say why he does this or why he does that shows that you are presumptuous and arrogant in those statements. But you are perhaps being all you can be when you do this...maybe not so good to catch you on one of your bad days.

 

You are correct in stating my freely moving to Norway as an adult. And this choice does not negate my observations concerning Norway or their society since my arrival either. If fact, living here, gives me validity towards my claims.

 

Many a Norwegian will also tend to make error, as they label me a foreigner and to be considered the same as an evil rapist Muslim or some parasitic leech draining off their welfare. As if taking from them and getting social benefits was my concern or my motive. And I laugh at this.

 

I did not immigrate to Norway.

I emigrated.

 

I am self-sufficient, independently wealthy, solvent in business and have a few locations around the world in which I own properties in which I can either live or visit at my whim. These are my several "jump points" that I can choose to be when I desire. I "live" in all of them.

I worked long and honestly to acquire them with no silver spoon in my mouth...trust me on that one. The work I do now is not to survive, but because it brings me joy. I don't need to work another day in my life. Any benefits from Norwegian Socialism are because they are entitlements my wife is due by being Norwegian and that I am entitled to by paying taxes into their system and living here (they even tax the part of my savings I keep in their bank). There is no evil in accepting what is available to you in life. Why don't you not do any deductions on your income taxes this year and let the IRS just have it all..so you can do more for the country and economy? See what I mean?

If you have a problem with entitlements then your problem should be with the government who offers them not those that utilize them for their advantage in effort to survive and thrive. There is no inherent evil in that. I also worked for four years as a sole-proprietor before ever taking the social benefit that covered the extremely high cost of incorporating. It was there, so I let them pay it.

I already paid four years of taxes and was an active member of the local economy.

 

I don't care that Norway is Socialist or offers welfare or incentives. Those really have little to do with why I own a house and currently live here. My wife and closeness with her family and my child is actually the major reason. If it weren't for the collapsing economy of the U.S. due to the corruption of government and international bankers (European as well as domestic) then we would probably be in Florida. But now that my daughter is in school and has friends with a larger family than my own, I figure this will be better for her.

Norway,s wealth or what I can get from it really has little to do with this decision. So now I ski instead of play tennis and surf.

When I want something else I can take off and go where I like when I like.

I don't need Norway's money.

 

As far as black ghettos, I was raised in one and was homeless for a year when I was thirteen years old. Blacks and ghettos don't bother me, but I don't consider them the first place I want to live and raise my family...based upon my personal experiences. I am multi-cultural in the sense that my place of birth and where I was raised was Southeast Florida where it has the exact proportion of different populations as compared to those of the entire United States. A microcosm of the macrocosm. It also is a big tourist area and most of the people that live there are actually from somewhere else. It is one of the most multi-cultural places in the nation.

I also have traveled the world extensively and own homes in a few different places on a few different continents. I mean, what more would I need to qualify under your guidelines to prove I am multi-cultural.

Personally, I am Irish, German, Scottish, Welsh, English, Italian and French....is that not multi- enough for you?

 

Why not Somalia? I hadn't given it any thought....just like a hundred other places. I never considered buying a place in Africa as I already have two places in comfortable equatorial climates. Is that unethical for you? Your statements about my ethics and why I should be living in Somalia are askew.

 

And you misquote me or misinterpret me when you say..._"if that's what you love". Because I never said this in regards to Africa or Islam as your question asserts.

So it is a confusing question because I never said this in this context.

But the scathing heat of the words is definitely felt.

 

I chose for several reasons, familial, economical and ethical, to downsize my American holdings and leave. I don't want my tax dollars supporting inhumane foreign policy base upon a bunch of corporations and politicians making profits or who have their heads too far up Israel's ass. I don't want to do business in a country which just successfully made the largest swindle against its own people in history with bank bailouts. I saw all this coming back in 1998 and made my plans back then. But I still have a place to return to should I desire some beach time and beautiful sunrises. I have three other international locations that I will not reveal here and the most newly acquired one where I live now in Norway.

So I have choices. Because I desire to travel and see a lot of Europe over the next ten years, living in Norway would also be, and has proven to be, more convenient by not having to fly over the Atlantic from the U.S.

 

Also, my wife is Norwegian, but we did first not meet in Norway. We are married and have a child. Second one on the way and due in October. My family is small and scattered. Her's is large and centralized. I figure our two kids could grow more with that family participation in their lives. Luckily my wife and her family are only 20% brødskive...so they are exceptions and hold promise.

 

And when you refer to over-emotional. I don't recall my ever feeling emotions during the typing of my responses. As I don't, in any way, have a connection with my intimate emotions and internet forums or to the anonymous strangers that peruse them.

 

Your comments about convictions and living in Somalia and the ivory tower jazz is just too irrelevant to me to waste my words to comment upon. I don't know what you are blathering about there, other than more petty accusations and tee-hee-hee adolescent smears. But I like that about you.

 

Women who sleep with the "enemy" during wartime are commonly regarded as "traitors" in the worst way. Although it is quite common because women are always the first to jump ship to side with the winner,

 

There were more than a few women who voluntarily took German husbands. One must wonder how many Norwegians were under the spell of the Aryan Master Race theories of the Nazis. Because as I understand it there were quite a few Norwegians that were very complicit with the theory of whites as the Master Race and supportive of Germany dominating the world for the Aryans. It's just that these Norwegians weren't too happy when that goal also meant having to accept Germany invading Norway. Not In My Backyard, so to speak.

But babies and children are innocent in this regard.

 

I hope this clarifies. And I have read a lot of threads on topics on this forum and really appreciate your many contributions. Thanks for the exchange.

Edited September 9, 2010 by metal dog

[metal dog]

My master will be holding a nei dan retreat in november. So I'd guess its public.

PM me if you want info, and I'll send you.

 

Thanks...will do.

[gendao]

With a lack of sufficient information about me or my motives you make inquiry, then accusations leading yourself into making conclusions. It's as almost as if you don't really need me to answer or elaborate because you and Freud already know the score.

Well, it was rhetorical in a sense - more using hypotheticals to make a general point.

 

(I was going to add that you've probably redeemed the value you've received from the handouts and your buddy might not have come as an adult - but I didn't want to write a novel here and the point really wasn't to get personal.)

 

But interestingly, I think you, me, your friend & the native Norwegians here all agree that Socialism can be very unfair, divisive and unsustainable as it encourages parasites to feed on hosts.

Many a Norwegian will also tend to make error, as they label me a foreigner and to be considered the same as an evil rapist Muslim or some parasitic leech draining off their welfare.

 

I don't care that Norway is Socialist or offers welfare or incentives. Those really have little to do with why I own a house and currently live here. My wife and closeness with her family and my child is actually the major reason. If it weren't for the collapsing economy of the U.S. due to the corruption of government and international bankers (European as well as domestic) then we would probably be in Florida. But now that my daughter is in school and has friends with a larger family than my own, I figure this will be better for her.

 

As far as black ghettos, I was raised in one and was homeless for a year when I was thirteen years old. Blacks and ghettos don't bother me, but I don't consider them the first place I want to live and raise my family...based upon my personal experiences.

 

Why not Somalia? I hadn't given it any thought....just like a hundred other places. I never considered buying a place in Africa as I already have two places in comfortable equatorial climates. Is that unethical for you? Your statements about my ethics and why I should be living in Somalia are askew.

 

And you misquote me or misinterpret me when you say..._"if that's what you love". Because I never said this in regards to Africa or Islam as your question asserts.

So it is a confusing question because I never said this in this context.

But the scathing heat of the words is definitely felt.

 

I chose for several reasons, familial, economical and ethical, to downsize my American holdings and leave. I don't want my tax dollars supporting inhumane foreign policy base upon a bunch of corporations and politicians making profits or who have their heads too far up Israel's ass. I don't want to do business in a country which just successfully made the largest swindle against its own people in history with bank bailouts. I saw all this coming back in 1998 and made my plans back then. But I still have a place to return to should I desire some beach time and beautiful sunrises. I have three other international locations that I will not reveal here and the most newly acquired one where I live now in Norway.

So I have choices. Because I desire to travel and see a lot of Europe over the next ten years, living in Norway would also be, and has proven to be, more convenient by not having to fly over the Atlantic from the U.S.

 

Also, my wife is Norwegian, but we did first not meet in Norway. We are married and have a child. Second one on the way and due in October. My family is small and scattered. Her's is large and centralized. I figure our two kids could grow more with that family participation in their lives. Luckily my wife and her family are only 20% brødskive...so they are exceptions and hold promise.

 

There were more than a few women who voluntarily took German husbands. One must wonder how many Norwegians were under the spell of the Aryan Master Race theories of the Nazis. Because as I understand it there were quite a few Norwegians that were very complicit with the theory of whites as the Master Race and supportive of Germany dominating the world for the Aryans. It's just that these Norwegians weren't too happy when that goal also meant having to accept Germany invading Norway. Not In My Backyard, so to speak.

But babies and children are innocent in this regard.

Hey, I agree with all your points - and applaud you for actually being able to carry them out to fruition! Americans are so deluded and brainwashed now that you're right - this country is pretty much a lost cause at this point. That's why I forsee more and more Americans "White Flighting" out of here in the coming decades...

 

My main point is how the same liberals who constantly accuse others of being "racist" or intolerant - are also the first ones to "White Flight" out of an area when their own "diversity welfare" policies start attracting too many parasites. Whereas others are simply trying to keep their areas from becoming run down further like that (see Detroit). It's really only common sense to want to avoid crime-ridden ghettos - but liberals just seem to be much more guilt-ridden, naive & hypocritical about it. Ignorance may be blissful - but after you've lived on this rock for a few decades - that becomes a luxury only people living in sheltered bubbles may still enjoy. I've lived next to ghettos myself for many years now and would definitely not want to raise a family around here. Many of these people behave like lazy, sex & drug-crazed, violent animals, to be blunt. Although liberals may portray them all as heroic victims of "racism" or intolerance - they are generally at most victims of themselves. About the only plus is slightly cheaper housing prices..

 

Norway sounds much nicer...except for the exorbitant cost of living and ice!

 

Anyhow, I always enjoy people who are not afraid to bluntly speak their minds - so have definitely enjoyed this exchange with you too! It's all about opening our throat chakras, right?!

Edited September 11, 2010 by vortex

[metal dog]

These are good points vortex.

 

I do not get all gushy and patriotic about America in my analysis of my home country.

When I was born my birth certificate is actually a bill of lading. I am in a business relationship with the corporation U.S.A. So I treat it for what it is...a business relationship. If I don't like how business is being done, then I make a business decision to do my business elsewhere or alter how I do business.

 

But we have ventured a long way from the topic at hand which was, simply, "free chi gong classes in Kristiansand, Norway". And someone observant and intelligent enough to know made the comment about "watered-down chi gong".

 

And I made my follow up comments.

 

And I guess my main point would be that when I see Norway attempt to absorb anything exotic into its society from other nations it is not just accepted in its pure form and kept that way.

 

Better put...

In the same way Las Vegas is known for its over-produced cheesiness, similarly Norway should best be known to produce second-rate buffoonery.

 

Cold cuts, hot dogs and frozen pizza are not delicacies.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc4oAdiS6UE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u6R0XJ31Fo&feature=related

[hagar]

[metal dog]

Thanks. I have seen this documentary some time ago. Definitely 0% brødskive.

I am not a fan of Black Metal myself as its vibe is too much for my field.

But it is definitely an enegetic cleanser for those that need it.

 

The true wisdom begins in the last part at 6:02...

 

And at 6:59 when the interviewer asks him to..."guide me"...toward understanding him.

 

And all that is given in response is silence. Because the answer to understanding is within. But I don't think the interviewer was the type to get the profundity of that, much less the entire interview at that point. And that is what made it an excellent interview.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avnsgYvHPK8&feature=channel

 

"You cannot put down your sword...or...you lose."

 

...ain't that the fuc#ing truth.

Edited September 13, 2010 by metal dog

[metal dog]

I had asked of my good Norwegian friend from Bergen...

 

Yours was once a strong and proud race of warriors, strategists and thinkers.

 

What happened to your people?

 

His response...

 

 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2010 by metal dog