Raw Food links/books?

[Trunk]

I was reading Yoda's blog, and was inspired to go out and buy a pretty stout blender. Now looking for more reading on raw food, raw recipes for blenders (already got Max's and freeform's soups from Yoda's blog). Any links appreciated. Oh, and I own "We Want to Live" and am diggin into it.

[Ian]

I was reading Yoda's blog, and was inspired to go out and buy a pretty stout blender. Now looking for more reading on raw food, raw recipes for blenders (already got Max's and freeform's soups from Yoda's blog). Any links appreciated. Oh, and I own "We Want to Live" and am diggin into it.

Try this lot:

 

http://www.markblackburn.org/Papers/WhyBeRaw.htm

http://www.cat007.com/insulin.htm

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=1&i=25161&t=25161

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=1&i=34086&t=34082

http://www.davidwolfe.com/

http://www.freshupnorth.com/blood.html

http://www.mercola.com/article/sugar/sugar_cancer.htm

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=1&i=55884&t=55884

http://www.towardsfreedom.com/articles/CookedFoodEffec.html

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=1&i=33543&t=33543

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=1&i=25934&t=25836

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=1&i=33544&t=33544

http://www.quickfasting.com/index.html

http://www.rawfamily.com/home.htm

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=1&i=26249&t=26078

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=1&i=22418&t=21756

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=1&i=22418&t=21756

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=1&i=23364&t=23361

http://www.vegsource.com/

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=1&i=55884&t=55884

http://www.therawworld.com/

http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/

 

This is a list that Ed (use to post as "nobody" on HT) gave me a couple of years back. Some links may have died by now.

Hope helps,

I

[Pietro]

I was reading Yoda's blog, and was inspired to go out and buy a pretty stout blender. Now looking for more reading on raw food, raw recipes for blenders (already got Max's and freeform's soups from Yoda's blog). Any links appreciated. Oh, and I own "We Want to Live" and am diggin into it.

 

 

Hi Keith,

 

Starting from the roots that are referenced by everybody. My suggestion is, start your enquiry there.

 

Absolutely Edward Howell (two books are available),

and Stefansson (what you can find but there are also articles online).

 

http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm

(I bet you didn't expect a link to biblelife from me, eh!)

 

 

I also copied some info about the discoveries of E.H. in the wiki in my personal wiki. Scroll down.

http://wiki.pietrosperoni.it/enzymes

 

Another classical of nutrition, referenced by many raw food books is:

Weston A Price: Nutrition and Physical degeneration.

And the Pottinger experiment is interesting to.

 

Those represents the root. Other books tend to derive from them.

 

Then we got about milk:

"the untold story of milk" and "the milk of human kindness".

 

Most of those books are available from the priceandpottinger foundation (not to be confused with the weston a price foundation)

http://www.price-pottenger.org/

 

The doctor who wrote the milk of human kindness wrote also a document for the traial that was deciding if raw milk was going to be sold in California. Aajonus was on first line too.

 

http://www.karlloren.com/aajonus/p15.htm

 

Vonderplanitz also produced another book and there are tapes of the question people asked him, and interviews, and so on. I never tried them, but I think they are more specific on particular problems. I gathered from his site (http://www.wewant2live.com/) it is possible to have a search form that goes and search inside those documents. But it costs, only lasts one year, so I never tried.

 

Also give a look at the links in my delicious:

http://del.icio.us/pietrosperoni/diet

http://del.icio.us/pietrosperoni/rawfood

 

 

Happy reading

Edited May 1, 2006 by Pietro

[Yoda]

Keith,

 

What model? Have you tried it with veggies? What do you think?

 

Thanks for the links, y'all. I'm embarrassed by missing the boat on this whole raw thing until now. 2006 really has turned out to be a 'back to the basics' year for me!

 

-Yoda

[Trunk]

What model? Have you tried it with veggies? What do you think?

I got a L'Equip "R.P.M. Blender" model 228. I went to Wild Oats (local SoCal organic supermarket) and

asked the guy, "got any blenders?" and

he said, "only these crazy ones over here" ($169)

"perfect! I'm lookin' for a crazy one"

- I take a look at it -

"so, can this thing grind up tires so I can drink 'm like slurpies?"

"not sure, but we have a %100 $ back garuntee".

So I buy it and the checkout girl makes fun of me cause I'm paying a gazillion $s for a blender.

 

This morning's try-out:

beet, carrot, raw milk, honey, broccoli, spinach

smooth, yummy, doin groovy things to my channels

 

--- later edit ---

I've occasionally done the raw beef, raw eggs, salmon sashimi - just from what I'm experiencing this morning, the fruits & vegies definately add another kick to it.

 

link to blender at Amazon

Edited May 1, 2006 by Trunk

[Cameron]

Kieth do you have a link?

 

This is the one I got.

 

blender

Edited May 1, 2006 by Cameron

[Yoda]

Keith,

 

Cam refuses to try carrots on his machine, but let me just doublecheck--it can do a smooth job on carrots? Not grainy? I'm stoked if I only have to pay $170!! Mrs Yoda will still register disapointment, but she won't think that I've totally lost my mind!

 

-Yoda

 

edit:

 

www.discountjuicers.com is a good product review site. Keith's blender made the short list. It looks like I won't need to spend $400 for my purposes. But they straddle the fence on the juicer vs blender issue and seem to imply that juicing is superior in several ways, especially those who are may have fasting motivations. Given that and the fact that a good juicer is $35 including shipping (the refurbished Waring Pro on amazon) , juicing may be the right way to start and then get a blender down the road.

[Trunk]

let me just doublecheck--it can do a smooth job on carrots? Not grainy?

My blender did that whole list o' vegies that I posted earlier (including 1 fat mammoth carrot) to a smooth pulp.

 

Mind you, it was not as if I did blueberries and bananas and yogurt, this pulp had substance to it - but it was smooth. No grit, nothing to chew any further.

[Yoda]

I'll get one soon, then. Thanks for the review.

 

btw, I was looking at 'we want to live' on amazon and check it out, the sequel is our very own Ken Cohen's favorite book ever written:

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/188935684...glance&n=283155

 

(it's the only one he's ever reviewed, so I'm calling it.)

 

related link:

 

http://www.karlloren.com/diet/p52.htm

[Pietro]

Why blending?

 

I am being serious. I cannot understand this whole thing about blending. And I own the second book from AV, the recepies for living..., and sure all of them require a blender...

 

I still don't get it.

 

I mean: the reason why I juice celery is because if I don't juice it I get all the fiber, and then my bacteria gets upset (actually gone) and then I don't digest meat. Ok, so juicing is important. You don't juice, you don't eat raw meat. Fair enough.

 

But why blending? Does it taste better? Maybe it is that I have no pleasure for the taste for food, so for me simple foods fast to prepare (cut the meat- eat it), are the best. But probably I am missing something. Can someone explain me?

 

Thanks,

Pietro

[Yoda]

Pietro,

 

From what I can tell, the pro-juicers say that juicing is easier to digest and assimilate the nutrients esp if there's any digestive weakness or sickness. So it's better for healing, purifying, and fasting. Juicing may well taste better, and thus be more sustainable of a habit. And it's cheaper to buy a juicer over a blender that'll actually work.

 

The pro-blenders say that you get extra fiber which is good for you and there may be some nutrients that are attached to the fiber, so you get those too. Plus you don't have as much work to clean. Blenders seem to be in the lead here on taobums.

 

That's all I've been able to glean.

 

I think I'll pick up Trunk's blender and get to the bottom of this debate. I'm sure it varies per person, like in your situation.

 

-Yoda

 

It's very odd that I'm learning about this raw food thing right now, btw. I feel like I should have picked this up in 5th grade. That's why we have taobums, of course. When we die and come back, we can pick up where we left off minus a decade or two.

[Cameron]

 

Trunk's recomended blender is probably the third best out there (behind the Blend-Tek and Vitamix)... mine is not as powerfull as Trunk's (probably more like Cam's), but I still get a great result

 

Oh great. Now I have low blender self esteem since mine is not as 'powerful' .Well, it's just to get things going then I will get the $500 super blend tec thing that can turn water into wine and make eating obsolete!

 

*looks at less powerful blender and sighs*

[Cameron]

I really don't think I need it so far the Cuisenart Premiere has done the job. Maybe if I became a raw foodist full time it would be worth it but for 1 or 2 shakes a day I am good to go.

 

 

*gives blender thumbs up and sips protien shake*

Edited May 2, 2006 by Cameron

[Trunk]

Personally I have found blending to be much better for my digestion and bowels. I get a very quick, smooth, long-lasting energy that gently moves through my body, subtly (and slowly) clearing blockages (especially in LTT).

I definately feel this morning's blend working on some stubborn channel blockages of mine. Encouraging 'cause I've been trying to get to these for some time. Blending is really something. I don't know why, though, I wouldn't get the same effect by chewing raw food myself - maybe cause I'd never do it.

Edited May 2, 2006 by Trunk

[TwoTrees]

Definetly a great choice for those with desires to conserve energy for their practice.

It takes a long time for your body to break down certain foods.

 

Raw diets can spike your energetic levels through the roof

 

Just be careful not to use too much carrot and beet juices - it's not too much of a big deal, although they are very sweet and tasty, they WILL raise your blood sugar and can sometimes give bad cases of diarreeeee lol

 

Michelle

[Pietro]

Oh great. Now I have low blender self esteem since mine is not as 'powerful' .Well, it's just to get things going then I will get the $500 super blend tec thing that can turn water into wine and make eating obsolete!

 

*looks at less powerful blender and sighs*

 

Tell me. Here everybody speaks about 2 or 3 horsepower machine, as if they where peanuts. I have a 0.46 horsepower machine at home.

Edited May 2, 2006 by Pietro

[Pietro]

Pietro,

 

From what I can tell, the pro-juicers say that juicing is easier to digest and assimilate the nutrients esp if there's any digestive weakness or sickness. So it's better for healing, purifying, and fasting. Juicing may well taste better, and thus be more sustainable of a habit. And it's cheaper to buy a juicer over a blender that'll actually work.

 

The pro-blenders say that you get extra fiber which is good for you and there may be some nutrients that are attached to the fiber, so you get those too. Plus you don't have as much work to clean. Blenders seem to be in the lead here on taobums.

 

That's all I've been able to glean.

 

I think I'll pick up Trunk's blender and get to the bottom of this debate. I'm sure it varies per person, like in your situation.

 

-Yoda

 

It's very odd that I'm learning about this raw food thing right now, btw. I feel like I should have picked this up in 5th grade. That's why we have taobums, of course. When we die and come back, we can pick up where we left off minus a decade or two.

 

And freeform consider yourself quoted as well.

 

Ferry interesting. Ferry interesting. I do totally agree that most of the skill we are learning feel like we should have known them from when we where kids. But do you remember how was society when we where kids? That's the 70's for me. Nothing of all this was known. Maybe the topic for another thread...

 

About blending:

ok, interesting, but it seem like you need to have a huge initial capital to even try it. You speak about fiber, but fiber is good only if you are not into raw meat, if not is not that good anymore. And yet in the PD community blenders are used often too.

 

Speaking about spikes of energy. I don't get my energy from juicing. I get it from buttern and honey. The idea is generally that you should mix fat with sugar to make fat enter slowly in the bloodstream. Do you put far in your bleners as well? What? How much?

[Pietro]

The simple answer to this is "Phytochemicals"... apparently these are the healthiest part of the fruit/veggies and are usually contained in the most concentrated form in the toughest of fibers (seeds, skins etc)... you can get to them by chewing on an apple for many hours or using a blender to quickly do it for you. This is according to Dr. Wu.

 

Have a read through that site... there is some very interesting info there: www.qigong.com

 

Personally I have found blending to be much better for my digestion and bowels. I get a very quick, smooth, long-lasting energy that gently moves through my body, subtly (and slowly) clearing blockages (especially in LTT). With juicing I would get a big, powerfull burst of energy and a slightly sore tummy (if I had too much juice)

 

Trunk's recomended blender is probably the third best out there (behind the Blend-Tek and Vitamix)... mine is not as powerfull as Trunk's (probably more like Cam's), but I still get a great result. I did see a Blend-Tek being used in a cafe in York, and after a bit of flirting and gentle persuasion convinced the lady working there to demonstrate its full power with whole veggies and fruit (skin, seeds, stalks and all) the result was very smooth... more like ketchup than what I get with mine which cant handle the seeds and stalks (but does an ok-ish job on the skin).

 

Very interesting. I just read the page. Amazing I have missed it in all those years of raw food diet!

I also read the phytochemical page in wikipedia. Now when an alternative medicine makes it in wikipedia must be REALLY big. And this seem to be the case. So what is the MUST have book(s) that I should buy about it?

 

Pietro

[Trunk]

The simple answer to this is "Phytochemicals"... apparently these are the healthiest part of the fruit/veggies and are usually contained in the most concentrated form in the toughest of fibers (seeds, skins etc)... you can get to them by chewing on an apple for many hours or using a blender to quickly do it for you. This is according to Dr. Wu.

 

Also from your linked page, the quote under the pic of the onion peel,

"Breaking Out" Phytochemicals from the fiber is an essential part of our Food Healing Program. The Stems, Skins, & Seeds hold the most concentrated nutrition

The checkout girl who made fun of my $$$ blender said that there was special stuff in the peels (she mentioned oranges, but could be lots of things), which goes along with the above.

 

I tell ya, I really got something outta my first blend yesterday.

*happy, enthused*

[Ian]

I tried my first green smoothie the other day and it was gross. The spinachy stuff just didn't blend, merely shredded into tiny pieces, which made it difficult anf quite unpleasant to drink.

 

Do I simply have a shitty blender? If so, is there a recognised threshold of power above which this won't happen?

 

Or is it a shape thing? The blender I used is a squatter thing than these pictured on this thread. More like a food processor. Hopeless?

 

Yours floundering in ignorance,

I

[Pietro]

I tried my first green smoothie the other day and it was gross. The spinachy stuff just didn't blend, merely shredded into tiny pieces, which made it difficult anf quite unpleasant to drink.

 

Do I simply have a shitty blender? If so, is there a recognised threshold of power above which this won't happen?

 

Or is it a shape thing? The blender I used is a squatter thing than these pictured on this thread. More like a food processor. Hopeless?

 

Yours floundering in ignorance,

I

Not sure about what the threashold is, but:

get the number of watts and multiply it by 0.001340 and that is the number of horsepower your mixer has. They are speaking about 2 and 3 horsepower machines. Thats 1492 to 2238 watts. It sounds like a date more than a proper value for a hosehold appliance. I might end up connecting it to the engine of my campervan.

 

Pietro, not sure about books on phytochemicals... maybe go for the pricey 3dvd set by Dr. Wu?

 

about fat content... I've been adding oils to my raw soups... first cold pressed, virgin olive oil is easy to get here (I live in quite a Turkish area)... so that's the main source... but I add all kinds of other oils (avocado, pumpkin seed, sunflower etc..) I've placed an order for X Factor Butter Oil... so that's gonna go into the blends too. I've no access to raw butter/milk/cream... that would be ideal - Imagine how tasty a bannana smoothie with honey and whole, raw cream would be! Also if you've got access to them try Pakistani honey-mangos... they're delicious in smoothies too.

 

Very costly. Maybe I can convince Trip to buy it and then use the same amount of money for a trip to Zurich!

 

That would be more fun!

[Yoda]

the l'equip is rated highly on the discountjuicers.com site. The only downside is that the carafe is small for a big family. As we are lone wolves here, it sounds like the most affordable of the elite units.

 

If Cam were to ever deign put a carrot into his machine (homophobia?) we could find out if more sensibly priced units can get the work done.

 

Mrs. Yoda's blender I mentioned before is actually a food processor, but about a $150 one, so I figured that it would work. It didn't cream my carrots, though. Maybe it's a food processor thing or maybe I didn't run them long enough. The carrots became little grains that weren't very drinkable.

 

Are we all blender newbies here, then? Any long term rawists here? Pietro, you've been raw for 2 years, yes?

[Pietro]

the l'equip is rated highly on the discountjuicers.com site. The only downside is that the carafe is small for a big family. As we are lone wolves here, it sounds like the most affordable of the elite units.

 

If Cam were to ever deign put a carrot into his machine (homophobia?) we could find out if more sensibly priced units can get the work done.

 

Mrs. Yoda's blender I mentioned before is actually a food processor, but about a $150 one, so I figured that it would work. It didn't cream my carrots, though. Maybe it's a food processor thing or maybe I didn't run them long enough. The carrots became little grains that weren't very drinkable.

 

Are we all blender newbies here, then? Any long term rawists here? Pietro, you've been raw for 2 years, yes?

I think is 4 years this april. But never 100%. Every time I went 100 % my hormones went up and down. So I always added a bit of white bread chewing gum and it absorbed the excessive horniness-hormones. Now it is 3 days that I have been 100%, because as I said I was going through some heavy detox. And I am amazing by how differently by body is responding. I am not going nuts or berseker anymore. I mean, look at the post I authored at HT this weekend. The image of balance and harmony!

 

My collegue at the office here (yes he is starting to get used to me, he just moan slightly), said that a friend of his told him a bout a blender where you can put a whole egg and not feel the bits of the egg shell after it.

 

Said that AV suggests against mixing eggs, as the loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooootgctagtcctgtctaaacgttoooooooooooooooong protein chain get chopped.

 

But I'll find out what the brand of that mixer is and I'll get back.

Edited May 2, 2006 by Pietro

[Yoda]

4 Years! Zoinks!! You should do an ABCs of Raw Food for the rest of us at some point.

 

100% raw is some crazy shit, too. I thought that was only legal in Amsterdam?

 

-Yoda

[Pietro]

4 Years! Zoinks!! You should do an ABCs of Raw Food for the rest of us at some point.

 

100% raw is some crazy shit, too. I thought that was only legal in Amsterdam?

 

-Yoda

nonononono.

I reached a plateau and pretty much remained there. The body got progressively better, which is why now I could jump to 100 while before I couldn't. But essentially I found my diet and which was simple and kept with that.

 

You see I never liked eating. My father just one month ago told me that he sees this as one of his responsability as he never insisted that I was fed a variety of food when I was a kid. It was pretty much the same foods all the time. But interesting if you look at traditional societies they don't have this crazy variety of food too... so...

 

In any case my general diet was

raw beef chopped in pieces, (5 days a week)

butter and honey, mixed (between 2 days a week to every day)

milk (2 days a week)

celery juice (mainly to balance the beef)

apple in the celery or alone (mainly to balance the milk)

breadsticks. (ok, this was really out of the diet I was supposed to do, but it tasted so good)

some rosinen bread.

 

This was generally my base, and to this I would add other things, mainly according to what society would require me. A pizza outside when in Italy, some beer when in England, and so on. Pretty much considering that raw food was good enough that I did not have to keep it 100%.

 

And if I could chose where we were going to go to eat out I would invariably suggest sushi, which yes meant to take rice too. It's ok, no big deal.

 

But in the last months I got problems at the teeth, so I went back to my teeth formula and made my diet much stricter. It is also 4 days that I don't drink water but since I have 2 liters of mineralising tea for the teeth, and milk it is really like I was drinking quite a lot.

 

In any case in PD you are not supposed to drink water no take any salt too.

 

Also I was not able to digest banana some time ago, while it is 3 days that I am absolutely taking them.

 

BTW, my collegue said that his friend cannot recall where did he heard about that crazy blender.

Also I looked at the blender suggested by Keith, but it is only 900 watts. That's not even near the power that Dr Wu suggests (1500-2200 watts). Are you guys sure that it does the job?

 

Pietro

Edited May 2, 2006 by Pietro