Taoist Philosophy - Chapter 75

[Marblehead]

Being Flawless

 

To know you don’t know is best.
Not to know you don’t know is a flaw.
Therefore, the Sage’s not being flawed
Stems from his recognizing a flaw as a flaw.
Therefore, he is flawless.


The One Who Knows

“One who does not know really knows, and one who thinks he knows really does not know.”


Knowing Is Really Not Knowing

“Do you know that what you consider knowing is really not knowing?”

Edited March 6, 2013 by Marblehead

[3deedit]

[Apech]

To know you don't know is best.

Not to know you don't know is a flaw.

Therefore, the Sage's not being flawed

Stems from his recognizing a flaw as a flaw.

Therefore, he is flawless.

 

Can you post me the link to this chapter?

 

Taoistic Greetz,

3deedit

 

It's chapter 71 of TTC.

[Marblehead]

Thanks for attending to that Apepch7.

[3deedit]

The TAO explains its working through numbers:

 

Chapter 42 : 1 created 2. 2 created 3 . 3 created the structures

 

1+2=3 +2=5 = 81 minus 5 = 76 divided by 4 (the structures) = 19

 

To fully comprehend chapter 71

 

read also Chapters 52, 33 and 14

 

click on 71 and follow 3 times the diminishing 19

 

This sequence shows you the essence of the source...

 

Taoistic Greetz,

3deedit

[Marblehead]

Ah. Another numbers person.

 

I'll pass this time around.

[3deedit]

Yes and no

 

a person who accept the fact that mathematics

were there before any physical manifestation...

 

So, yes my spirit is mathematical

No, my senses are physical

 

Taoistic Greetz,

3deedit

[Stigweard]

I was about to comment ... but no ... sorry ... I've got nothing

[Apech]

I was about to comment ... but no ... sorry ... I've got nothing

 

That makes you flawless!

[3deedit]

I was about to comment ... but no ... sorry ... I've got nothing

Nice reply, great quote

[goldisheavy]

[Guest paul walter]

I believe Socrates said something very similar at one point.

 

I can't say I know anything about that but...

 

"To be is to do" Socrates

"To do is to be" Sartre

"Do be do be do" Sinatra

Edited October 6, 2010 by paul walter

[3bob]

Eccles 1:18, For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

[goldisheavy]

Eccles 1:18, For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

 

This is idiotic. Wisdom doesn't bring grief.

[Marblehead]

I was about to comment ... but no ... sorry ... I've got nothing

 

Hi Stig,

 

You done good! Hehehe.

[Marblehead]

I believe Socrates said something very similar at one point.

 

I don't doubt that. Socrates had a lot of very deep wisdom that much of has been shared with us.

[Marblehead]

Eccles 1:18, For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

 

And GIH replied: This is idiotic. Wisdom doesn't bring grief.

 

The quote above has confused knowledge with wisdom therefore I must agree with GIH.

 

Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu both warned against confusing wisdon and knowledge.

 

It is my opinion that knowledge leads to the desire of wanting to change things that shouldn't be changed whereas wisdom leads to understanding that some things should not be changed.

[3bob]

And GIH replied: This is idiotic. Wisdom doesn't bring grief.

 

The quote above has confused knowledge with wisdom therefore I must agree with GIH.

 

Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu both warned against confusing wisdon and knowledge.

 

It is my opinion that knowledge leads to the desire of wanting to change things that shouldn't be changed whereas wisdom leads to understanding that some things should not be changed.

 

Without more context related to all of the book Ecclesiastes (and of course King Solomon) I could see how some might take it that way on the surface.

[Marblehead]

Without more context related to all of the book Ecclesiastes (and of course King Solomon) I could see how some might take it that way on the surface.

 

Hehehe. Just trying to make sure we have as few misunderstandings as possible when we are talking about Taoist Philosophy.

 

But keep up the good work. I love the challenges.

[3bob]

Hehehe. Just trying to make sure we have as few misunderstandings as possible when we are talking about Taoist Philosophy.

 

But keep up the good work. I love the challenges.

 

Hey early bird, I gotta go to work at 5:30 in the am, but not you right?

(and my wife also woke me up several hours early for snoring so it's going to be a long, upcoming 12 hr shift on just 3 hrs sleep)

 

Anyway have you read Ecclesciastes or Proverbs in a while, from your posts it seems like you might like some of the sayings there?

 

Om

 

p.s. Thankfully coffee was manifested somewhere along the line, although some Taoist herbalist people may not agree with it's use?

Edited October 6, 2010 by 3bob

[3deedit]

The TAO explains its working through numbers:

 

Chapter 42 : 1 created 2. 2 created 3 . 3 created the structures

 

1+2=3 +2=5 = 81 minus 5 = 76 divided by 4 (the structures) = 19

 

To fully comprehend chapter 71

 

read also Chapters 52, 33 and 14

 

This sequence shows you the essence of the source...

 

Taoistic Greetz,

3deedit

 

UPDATED LINK:

Read Chapter 71 and diminish 71 with 19 : 3 times

Edited October 6, 2010 by 3deedit

[Marblehead]

Hey early bird, I gotta go to work at 5:30 in the am, but not you right?

(and my wife also woke me up several hours early for snoring so it's going to be a long, upcoming 12 hr shift on just 3 hrs sleep)

 

Anyway have you read Ecclesciastes or Proverbs in a while, from your posts it seems like you might like some of the sayings there?

 

Om

 

p.s. Thankfully coffee was manifested somewhere along the line, although some Taoist herbalist people may not agree with it's use?

 

Yeah, I went to bed early last night because I had done a lot of physical work at the pond area and was rather tired. So I got the amount of sleep I needed and woke up with still over three hours before daylight.

 

I haven't taken a serious look at the Bible in a long time. I have always stated that there is a lot of good wisdom in that book but one has to weed through the miscellaneous stuff in order to get to it.

 

My best friend here where I live is a non-denominal Christian and we get into religious discussions now and then.

 

Yeah, I still drink coffee. I have a cup sitting in front of me at the moment. But then, I was never into ritual so I am within my element.

[Marblehead]

UPDATED LINK:

Read Chapter 71 and diminish 71 with 19 : 3 times

 

Indeed, we are told by both Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu that we should unlearn all the 'knowledge' we have been taught and live simplistically.

[3deedit]

Indeed, we are told by both Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu that we should unlearn all the 'knowledge' we have been taught and live simplistically.

My rock-crystal pendulum tells me that simplistic

is to live eco-friendly...

Only then can a human life be fulfilled

Edited October 6, 2010 by 3deedit

[Marblehead]

My rock-crystal pendulum tells me that simplistic

is to live eco-friendly...

Only then can a human life be fulfilled

 

Yes, living simply would most generally be eco-friendly.

 

Most North American Natives lived a very eco-friendly life. Too bad they lost almost everything to the white man. And too bad we (white man of the times) didn't take a little time to learn of their ways.