Falun Dafa thread - open discussion...

[Oolong Rabbit]

Why use so much energy on li Hongzhi and what he says.The system itself is easy to learn free and imo very very good.People can just practice from the videos on youtube and dont care about the rest.Seth Ananda even said he got some siddhis (superpowers) from practicing Falun Gong

 

I don't buy the claims that Li Hongzhi is the messiah etc... but there is some very good info about cultivation in the book. Many of his conclusions I have already arrived at through my teachers, and by investigating my mind. Also I think copying the forms probably will not do much for you.

[Guest sykkelpump]

I don't buy the claims that Li Hongzhi is the messiah etc... but there is some very good info about cultivation in the book. Many of his conclusions I have already arrived at through my teachers, and by investigating my mind. Also I think copying the forms probably will not do much for you.

 

You say that copying the forms probably will not do much for you.Why do you say that,is it just something you decided to think?

what will then help you?that Li Hongzhi personally install Falun in you?.If that is what you mean,why do you then say:I don't buy the claims that Li Hongzhi is the messiah etc...

You seems to be confused

[paulno]

I'm still confused here. Maybe, its me. The system clearly believes in racial segregation at some level and everyone is okay with this? Nobody has said...Wow, that's WRONG.

 

It seems as though everyone is more apt to say "Well, it is good for chi cultivation".

Edited May 16, 2011 by paulno

[Oolong Rabbit]

You say that copying the forms probably will not do much for you.Why do you say that,is it just something you decided to think?

what will then help you?that Li Hongzhi personally install Falun in you?.If that is what you mean,why do you then say:I don't buy the claims that Li Hongzhi is the messiah etc...

You seems to be confused

 

Like I said, I am not a Falun Dafa follower, nor do I have any desire to be. The FD system deals in absolutes... all or none, take it or leave it. I don't subscribe to a lot of their beliefs, but I think Li Hongzhi does provide some high level cultivation theory openly. Why do I think the qigong would not work well on its own? Let me explain it this way. Qigong is not a one way street. Movement guides intention as much as intention guides movement. You can do all the postures and movements but if you are doing it outside the FD framework, you are likely already starting from a conflicted position. This would in turn create a mental blockage from the get go rendering the system ineffective. Make sense?

[Guest sykkelpump]

Like I said, I am not a Falun Dafa follower, nor do I have any desire to be. The FD system deals in absolutes... all or none, take it or leave it. I don't subscribe to a lot of their beliefs, but I think Li Hongzhi does provide some high level cultivation theory openly. Why do I think the qigong would not work well on its own? Let me explain it this way. Qigong is not a one way street. Movement guides intention as much as intention guides movement. You can do all the postures and movements but if you are doing it outside the FD framework, you are likely already starting from a conflicted position. This would in turn create a mental blockage from the get go rendering the system ineffective. Make sense?

Not at all

[Oolong Rabbit]

Not at all

 

Oh well, I tried. To summarize, if all is mind... then what is qigong really? If you ever noticed, the high level masters can do their forms with minimal/small movements. The highest masters can do "qigong" without moving at all.

 

In any event, why would one want to practice their system if you don't subscribe to their philosophy?

[Guest sykkelpump]

Oh well, I tried. To summarize, if all is mind... then what is qigong really? If you ever noticed, the high level masters can do their forms with minimal/small movements. The highest masters can do "qigong" without moving at all.

 

In any event, why would one want to practice their system if you don't subscribe to their philosophy?

because it is a good system maybe?

[Simplicity Rules]

[Gauss]

I'm still confused here. Maybe, its me. The system clearly believes in racial segregation at some level and everyone is okay with this? Nobody has said...Wow, that's WRONG.

 

It seems as though everyone is more apt to say "Well, it is good for chi cultivation".

 

We have been through this many times, let us take it once more.

 

Falun Dafa practitioners may marry people of other races, many FD practitioners are married to people of other races. Hence FD is not against people mixing races.

 

If CCP propaganda claims the opposite, well that is just wicked propaganda and evil lies spread by an evil organization that tries to turn people against Dafa.

 

Li Hongzhi has explained that in all other dimensions races(main spirits of people are of one race, ie black, white or yellow) are not mixed since that would make it impossible to enter a heavenly paradise(as I understand it all races have special tasks to perform in the enormous cosmic body and that is the real reason for creating all the races) - this is strictly scientific and has nothing to do with our modern society´s notions of racism etc.

 

And Dafa is compassionate to all people no matter how they look or live their lives.

 

Master Li has explained that the original plan of this earth was not to mix races - but it has happened and Falun Dafa practitioners accept it just like we accept all other warped behaviours in modern society. And whether the flesh body is of mixed race is irrelevant to the main spirit which is of one race anyway and that paradise in that dimension is where the person belongs and where he was originally born and where he can comsummate himself if he cultivates well.

 

This situation has also been observed by many Dafa cultivators during meditation.

 

 

Dafa cultivation is absolutely Gong cultivation, not Chi cultivation.

 

Just my understanding at my wisdom level, no truth whatsoever is offered.

Edited July 18, 2011 by Gauss

[Oolong Rabbit]

 

Dafa cultivation is absolutely Gong cultivation, not Chi cultivation.

 

Just my understanding at my wisdom level, no truth whatsoever is offered.

 

Hi Gauss,

 

Is Gong cultivation in Falun Dafa synonomous with Shen cultivation. I thought gong simply meant "work".

[C T]

 

 

Master Li has explained that the original plan of this earth was not to mix races - but it has happened and Falun Dafa practitioners accept it just like we accept all other warped behaviours in modern society. And whether the flesh body is of mixed race is irrelevant to the main spirit which is of one race anyway and that paradise in that dimension is where the person belongs and where he was originally born and where he can comsummate himself if he cultivates well.

 

This insinuation is downright insulting to those who are of mixed ethnicity. Reminds me of that guy who nearly succeeded in creating a 'superior' race of people - no need to name names.

 

Each time such remarks appear, the sky darkens in this part of the world.

[Harmonious Emptiness]

[Gauss]

This insinuation is downright insulting to those who are of mixed ethnicity. Reminds me of that guy who nearly succeeded in creating a 'superior' race of people - no need to name names.

 

Each time such remarks appear, the sky darkens in this part of the world.

 

Did you listen to what I just said? Or did you not understand that I spoke about other dimensions?

 

I was just saying that it does not matter how your flesh body looks(mixed or not does not matter) in this dimension since the main spirit is what counts in other dimensions and it is always of one colour. It has no connection to your flesh body colour in this dimension. You misunderstand me completely. When a main spirit is born in another dimension he is always born with a specific colour in that dimension. When he comes down here he can have a flesh body of other colors, that is irrelevant in other dimensions.

 

This is just the situation in other dimensions and there are plenty of mixed race Dafa practitioners and they are the same as other practitioners in other dimensions. Flesh colour does not matter at all in cultivation, everyone can cultivate in Dafa no matter how they look in this dimension. Ie a yellow flesh body may even have a white main spirit and the inverse can be true too..

 

By the way, in my opinion, generally speaking - on average - Asian people have a higher consummation level(original level) than white people. This is because many of them live in the highest realms of the cosmic body.

 

That is why Asia is called the divine continent. And no, I am not of yellow flesh body or main spirit colour(I believe...) and no I am not a racist of any sort..

 

The general trend of society(what is politically correct or not etc) goes in any direction it wants, I will not care about all that since it is out of my control anyway. And if people can not or do not want to understand the concept of many dimensions there is not much I can do about that either.

 

Quantum mechanics has had their "Many-Worlds-Theory" for decades, and it pretty much matches the Falun Dafa theory of many dimensions, but people in general don´t pay attention to such matters.

 

I try to tolerate all other people and want to be kindhearted to all people no matter what they do or did.

 

 

Just my two cents at my wisdom level, no truth offered whatsoever.

Edited July 19, 2011 by Gauss

[Immortal4life]

Or did you not understand that I spoke about other dimensions?

 

This.

 

Gauss may have a similar problem to Vajradaya, only not as bad. It would seem some people have a hard time understanding what you are saying. And for that matter, do you really understand other dimensions?

 

I used to do the same thing, I used to try to have an answer to anything anyone asked me, and would be willing to discuss anything with anyone. Now I try to keep things much more simpler.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[thelerner]

I'd also back Gauss on this. If you read him clearly, he said according to FG mixed races are fine, I quote: Falun Dafa practitioners may marry people of other races, many FD practitioners are married to people of other races. Hence FD is not against people mixing races.

 

FG has unique views on stuff, but from what I've read they're not rascists.

 

 

Michael

[Harmonious Emptiness]

I'd also back Gauss on this. If you read him clearly, he said according to FG mixed races are fine, I quote: Falun Dafa practitioners may marry people of other races, many FD practitioners are married to people of other races. Hence FD is not against people mixing races.

 

FG has unique views on stuff, but from what I've read they're not rascists.

 

 

Michael

 

I think I'm seeing from the last explanation that he meant it is actually impossible to have a mixed race main spirit. Given that physical racial types can be inhabited by spirits of a different race, it could be said that it doesn't care what race someone is; however, it still seems to believe that each race is inhabited primarily by the spirit of the same race, and that each race is inherently different. Though not as horribly racist as the first impression that was given, this still subscribes to racialist views, nonetheless.

 

So, I would be very interested to hear what these "functions" of each race are... Sounds pretty similar to Darwinist views without hearing the rest of it. Like "blacks were meant to do physical things" when in reality, the ancient Egyptians were black and started pretty much every spiritual and scientific theory known to man. This doesn't mean blacks are superior, it just means that maybe they got here first.

[Gauss]

[C T]

I'd also back Gauss on this. If you read him clearly, he said according to FG mixed races are fine, I quote: Falun Dafa practitioners may marry people of other races, many FD practitioners are married to people of other races. Hence FD is not against people mixing races.

 

FG has unique views on stuff, but from what I've read they're not rascists.

 

 

Michael

Hi Michael,

 

It was just that one sentence where he implied the magnanimity of FD in accepting the warped behavior of mix races that i found rather off-putting. What is so warped about mixed races?

 

I reiterate - it was an idiotic statement, and one only idiots can make.

 

He then implied i was blind to what he actually meant, which is like adding an extra layer of filth on top of the one already created. I did not even bother to reply to that.

 

Why should anyone condone such outpourings of discriminative platitudes?

[Gauss]

I think I'm seeing from the last explanation that he meant it is actually impossible to have a mixed race main spirit. Given that physical racial types can be inhabited by spirits of a different race, it could be said that it doesn't care what race someone is; however, it still seems to believe that each race is inhabited primarily by the spirit of the same race, and that each race is inherently different. Though not as horribly racist as the first impression that was given, this still subscribes to racialist views, nonetheless.

 

So, I would be very interested to hear what these "functions" of each race are... Sounds pretty similar to Darwinist views without hearing the rest of it. Like "blacks were meant to do physical things" when in reality, the ancient Egyptians were black and started pretty much every spiritual and scientific theory known to man. This doesn't mean blacks are superior, it just means that maybe they got here first.

 

 

Definition of racism from Wikipedia: "Racism is the belief that there are inherent differences in people's traits and capacities that are entirely due to their race, however defined, and that, as a consequence, justify the different treatment of those people, both socially and legally."

 

The above stated relates to the flesh body dimension and has nothing to do with the other dimensions that I speak of.

 

As I just told you, all races(flesh body dimension races we speak of here), in my opinion, should abide to the laws in the country they inhabit and that means the same laws should apply to all different people of a country.

 

 

Hence I am no racist, by definition.

 

In cultivation there are identical demands on a cultivator(at least during in-triple-world cultivation that I know something about) no matter which flesh body race he belongs to.

 

Whatever else you claim outside these definitions is your personal opinion and I will not waste my time on meaningless discussions. I know in my heart that I respect other people irrespective of their skin colour and that is all that counts in my cultivation. If a cultivator is a racist I would say that that person has an attachment to intolerance and his xinxing is not up to par on this point.

 

If you now start to claim that if a person believes other dimensions have different paradises with different spirit colors and say that these cultivators then are racists because of having seen that situation with their third eye - that is up to you....

 

In my humble opinion, someone is ruling and running this universe and his plan does not take human notions of flesh body colors into consideration in other dimensions when he builds the cosmic body. His plan is the best and I trust in him.

 

Secondly, if black people - on average - tend to have more black main spirits or not, and if whites tend to have a white spirit on average etc etc, I do not know if that is true or not and I never said that is the case - like you try to imply.

 

 

What is said in Falun Dafa is that in this universe there are countless dimensions and there are many different paradises with many different kinds of beings. And they are not limited to the races seen on planet earth. Any earthly knowledge is nothing more than superficial knowledge and it does not make my cultivation level(xinxing level) increase at all and hence I should not focus on such matters at all.

 

If interested in creation myths, you could read Hopi prophecies or Norse mythologies who speak about three or four different races/original people on earth being responsible for different functions in the universe, such myths are riddles though and everyone must enlighten by himself. I guess that when someone really knows these matters at the beyond triple world Fa level he would not tell people about it and those are heavenly secrets anyway.

 

Hopi prophecy:

 

And so He gave each of us a responsibility, and we call that the Guardianship. To the Indian people, the red people, He gave the Guardianship of the Earth. We were to learn during this cycle of time the teachings of the earth, the plants that grow from the earth, the foods that you can eat, and the herbs that heal so that, when we came back together with the other sisters and brothers, we could share this knowledge with them. Something good was to happen on the earth.

 

To the South He gave the yellow race of people the Guardianship of the Wind. They were to learn about the sky and breathing and how to take that within ourselves for spiritual advancement. They were to share that with us at this time.

 

To the West He gave the black race of people the Guardianship of the Water. They were to learn the teachings of the water, which is the chief of the elements, being the most humble and the most powerful. The elders have told me that the black people would bring the teachings of the water.

 

To the North He gave the white race of people the Guardianship of the Fire. If you look at the center of many of the things they do, you will find the fire. They say a light bulb is the white man's fire. If you look at the center of a car you will find a spark. If you look at the center of the airplane and the train you will find the fire. The fire consumes, and also moves. This is why it was the white sisters and brothers who began to move upon the face of the earth and reunite us as a human family.

 

 

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

[C T]

Definition of racism from Wikipedia: "Racism is the belief that there are inherent differences in people's traits and capacities that are entirely due to their race, however defined, and that, as a consequence, justify the different treatment of those people, both socially and legally."

 

Inherent differences...

 

Definition of warp - aberration/to become bent or twisted.

 

Rings a bell? Clang clang

[Gauss]

Hi Michael,

 

It was just that one sentence where he implied the magnanimity of FD in accepting the warped behavior of mix races that i found rather off-putting. What is so warped about mixed races?

 

I reiterate - it was an idiotic statement, and one only idiots can make.

 

He then implied i was blind to what he actually meant, which is like adding an extra layer of filth on top of the one already created. I did not even bother to reply to that.

 

Why should anyone condone such outpourings of discriminative platitudes?

 

You interpret my words in a wrong way, let us clarify and quote the exact sentence:

 

"Master Li has explained that the original plan of this earth was not to mix races - but it has happened and Falun Dafa practitioners accept it just like we accept all other warped behaviours in modern society."

 

I did not say above that a mixed race person is "warped" in any way. Warped behaviours are something very different than the fact that we have mixed race people on earth today.

 

The choice of words of mine were not very good above, excuse me for that. I believe those who wish to understand me will understand me.

 

Warped behaviours that an FD cultivator tries to avoid in order to be able to reach high Gong levels are typically the ones religion tells us to avoid like using drugs, stealing, telling lies, murder, promiscuity, adultery, homosexuality etc etc.

 

Basically just being a good person in the traditional sense. But of course we respect all other people irrespective of what they choose to do in their lives. Everyone has a free will and we respect it and tolerate all people.

 

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

Edited July 20, 2011 by Gauss

[Gauss]

Inherent differences...

 

Definition of warp - aberration/to become bent or twisted.

 

 

 

"Buddha: With his wisdom, a Buddha really understands the truth, whereas ordinary people live like in a dream, an illusion that prevents us from understanding reality properly."

 

The flesh body color is irrelevant since the flesh body dimension is an illusion.

 

We speak about different "worlds" and I would like to go to a higher "world" soon and stop wasting my time at my current level.

 

I hope you can understand me or at least respect my wish to do that.

[C T]

"Buddha: With his wisdom, a Buddha really understands the truth, whereas ordinary people live like in a dream, an illusion that prevents us from understanding reality properly."

 

The flesh body color is irrelevant since the flesh body dimension is an illusion.

 

We speak about different "worlds" and I would like to go to a higher "world" soon and stop wasting my time at my current level.

 

I hope you can understand me or at least respect my wish to do that.

Hey, i would be the first to congratulate you when your aspirations are met. Thats not why i am busting your bells. I have explained myself - and its nothing personal. Everyone deserves to attain their wishes for happiness and freedom.

 

In the meantime, please practice some mindfulness around your choice of word usage.

 

Thats all.

[Gauss]

Hey, i would be the first to congratulate you when your aspirations are met. Thats not why i am busting your bells. I have explained myself - and its nothing personal. Everyone deserves to attain their wishes for happiness and freedom.

 

In the meantime, please practice some mindfulness around your choice of word usage.

 

Thats all.

 

Thanks and your advice is good and well received.

 

I am too quick when writing sometimes and that is due to my attachment to time that needs to be eliminated.

[thelerner]

Hi Michael,

 

It was just that one sentence where he implied the magnanimity of FD in accepting the warped behavior of mix races that i found rather off-putting. What is so warped about mixed races?

 

Why should anyone condone such outpourings of discriminative platitudes?

 

Personally I find all religious doctrines have some amount of crap in them. The best we can do is ignore the crazy and learn from the good. For fundamentalists its trickier, they can't ignore it, so they build rules around it. (ie not in our dimension )

 

I don't think Gauss or the majority of FG practitioners are racists (homophobic, maybe, but then aren't most of your old time religions).

 

How do I condone it? I understand, sympathize and if I don't see the practitioners actively teaching discrimination I give them a pass. Gauss is right, FG practitioners can marry out of race (I think). Thankfully religions evolve and reform. Its better to judge them by there actions then by taking little pieces of stricture or historic stories.

 

Being Jewish there is a particularly nasty part of the bible thats the weekly portion. Truly horrible stuff, but the teachers, scholars, wise men ignore or explain it away with layers of stories. And what they concentrate on is the good stuff, morality, justice. Yeah its picking and choosing, but thats life.