Kunlun Wild Goose Qigong

[Immortal4life]

A lot of people like to throw around words like "Kunlun", "Buddhist", "Taoist", "Lama", etc. But one of the only Kunlun mountain Qigong systems that has been verified to be true and real, is the system of Dayan Wild Goose Qigong.

 

Here are videos of the entire first and second sets of the Kunlun mountain tradition of Dayan Wild Goose Qigong. This is one of the greatest qigong systems in China, first made public by the 27th generation lineage holder Grandmaster Yang Meijun.

 

The first 64 movements, developing the post-natal Qi-

 

or another version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRM1SQczf_I

 

 

The second 64 movements, developing the original pre-natal Qi-

 

or another version

 

 

Meridian patting

 

Walking the circle in Bagua steps-

 

 

Information about the system-

http://sevenstarswildgooseqigong.webs.com/thewildgoosesystem.htm

http://www.norwichwildgooseqigong.co.uk/qigong.html

http://www.qimagazine.com/dayanqigong.html

 

So there may be some poeple who say, so what? I don't get it? It's some guy waving his hands around and moving like a Goose?

 

What this is, is movements of developing energy, and cultivating the bodies functions and systems, based on the movements of the Bar Headed Goose. The Bar Headed goose is a very special bird. To the ancients it was the symbol of longevity. It can fly higher than any other bird I know of, and travel over 1000 miles in a day. The Bar Headed goose has been seen flying over Mt. Everest. The ancient Taoists of Kunlun Shan knew the special significance of these birds, and mimicked the methods of energy development that the birds performed naturally and instictively.

 

Some people may not be aware that animals naturally and instinctively are practicing Qigong all the time. It is only humans that need to learn, or re-learn, how to do it.

 

Animals are already in tune with nature in their proper way. They can posses fierceness and strength to do things humans just can't. This is primarily due to their use of universal life energy from the universe. They know what to do and when, and they are aware of many things. They naturally open, close, and connect their acupuncture points in the way they move and the positions they sleep in for example.

 

Video about the Bar Headed Goose-

http://videos.howstuffworks.com/animal-planet/28868-fooled-by-nature-the-bar-headed-goose-video.htm

 

Kunlun Mountains-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKJ68Bpe8i0

Edited November 30, 2011 by Immortal4life

[surfingbudda]

Ya Wild Goose Qigong is a complete 72 form system that seems. However I have heard mixed things, such as over half of the forms were never passed on from Yang Meijun and she only was able to teach the first 23 in her life time, while people such as Dr. Bingkun Hu claim to have been taught the entire system by her. I am actually going to meet Dr. Bingkun Hu in person for a private qigong session at his office in Berkeley, looking forward to it . He seems like a man of true compassion and is one who really understands the workings of qigong.

[surfingbudda]

Ya so far Wild Goose and Michael Lomax's stillness movement are the two qigongs that have really spoken to me. I plan on checking both out and judging for myself which one I will stick with as my main practice.

[Immortal4life]

My understanding is that only about roughly 20 sets and meditations are taught publically. Beyond that I cant say much, other than some high level disciples may have gotten more of the system. I also heard Yang Meijun had a son, so he may have gotten all 72. I dont really know for sure.

 

However, if you even got 10 of the moving sets and meditations, that is awesome. Take a look at some of the links in the OP, even the publically taught sets are quite advanced.

Edited November 27, 2010 by Immortal4life

[Taomeow]

My understanding is that only about roughly 20 sets and meditations are taught publically. Beyond that I cant say much, other than some high level disciples may have gotten more of the system. I also heard Yang Meijun had a son, so he may have gotten all 72. I dont really know for sure.

 

However, if you even got 10 of the moving sets and meditations, that is awesome. Take a look at some of the links in the OP, even the publically taught sets are quite advanced.

 

Excellent set, thanks. You are right, it is quite advanced -- in the very first video, the moves at 1:03 and 1:17, e.g., will be quite challenging for a beginner, asking for spinal flexibility, balance, coordination, the ability to open the knee and hip joints, and pliable hamstrings to be executed properly.

 

By the way, no one is wrongfully "throwing around" the word Kunlun, to my knowledge -- the name is not, and cannot, be copyrighted, like all other geographical names. You can register "Kunlun Wild Goose" or "Kentucky Fried Chicken" as a trade name, but you can't lay claims of ownership or "authenticity" on "Kunlun" or "Kentucky" and expect no one else to use them for their own product. Historically, the name "Kunlun" was used hundreds of times in conjunction with hundreds of practices.

[VCraigP]

By the way, no one is wrongfully "throwing around" the word Kunlun, to my knowledge -- the name is not, and cannot, be copyrighted, like all other geographical names. You can register "Kunlun Wild Goose" or "Kentucky Fried Chicken" as a trade name, but you can't lay claims of ownership or "authenticity" on "Kunlun" or "Kentucky" and expect no one else to use them for their own product. Historically, the name "Kunlun" was used hundreds of times in conjunction with hundreds of practices.

 

Which also applies to Ermei - Ehmei, Wudang, Huashan, etc. Sometimes even practices originating in the vicinity and not connected with any temple or monastic collective would use a Mountain name.

[VCraigP]

Thank you Immortal for life.

 

Another in a series of detailed jumping off points for research.

 

what's next? How many are you going to do?

 

Craig

[Ten Thousand Methods]

Thank you for starting this topic.

 

I've always been interested in Wild Goose Qigong but I've been a little intimidated because it is so huge. I know Bingkun Hu has some great DVDs on this style.

 

I would be interested to hear from anyone that has been doing this style for more than a year. What are your experiences with it?

[Immortal4life]

Thank you Immortal for life.

 

Another in a series of detailed jumping off points for research.

 

what's next? How many are you going to do?

 

Craig

 

Thank you for yor kind words.

 

I dunnoooo though, If I tell you what I plan to do, it may ruin the surprise and throw me off......

 

Hehe, but since you were kind, and since you asked......

 

I have a rough idea, and plans, to make about 150-200 thread topics. I dont have them all set and done yet, but I have a rough idea of what each one wil be about, and what each one will be trying to cover. If I post say one every 2 days, that should be more than a years worth of topics and programming.

 

In the future they may become a little more in your face, a little more opinionated, and a little more controversial.

[Immortal4life]

Thank you for starting this topic.

 

I've always been interested in Wild Goose Qigong but I've been a little intimidated because it is so huge. I know Bingkun Hu has some great DVDs on this style.

 

I would be interested to hear from anyone that has been doing this style for more than a year. What are your experiences with it?

 

That is basically the only real criticism I have heard about it, that it can be a little much, and too much memorization for some people, especially older people or seniors.

 

Once you learn it though, and once you have the movements down pretty good, its actually not that hard to practice. Its not so physically demanding that is soaks your clothes in sweat or anything for example, like some martial sytems like some systems of Tai Chi or internal martial arts might do when you are starting to really get into them.

Edited November 27, 2010 by Immortal4life

[VCraigP]

In the future they may become a little more in your face, a little more opinionated, and a little more controversial.

 

Hmmm

 

bring it on. right now your posts elicit a response more like reading an entry in the dictionary. Not really conversation starters which is the whole point I think.

 

so, yes, I dare you to start an actual conversation. But I guess you have your plan, so, we'll see.

 

Cheers

 

Craig

[Immortal4life]

You may be surprised where this all ends up leading

[Aetherous]

Yikes.

[Immortal4life]

[Davgong]

Thank you for starting this topic.

 

I've always been interested in Wild Goose Qigong but I've been a little intimidated because it is so huge. I know Bingkun Hu has some great DVDs on this style.

 

I would be interested to hear from anyone that has been doing this style for more than a year. What are your experiences with it?

Dayan Qigong is a large system but also one of the most complete. I have a few years experience in this system now and believe that i can make a reasonable statement about it.

The different forms each have there own particular focus and follow a pattern of advancement in the system. There are movement orientated forms and still forms or meditations. Some of the forms are practiced together to increase the energy effect. e.g. Chest Releasing Fragrance Gong (movement gong) is best followed by Buddhism Releasing Fragrance Gong(meditative gong). These are advanced gongs and where formulated to refine and cultivate essence. In doing so Yin energy is released in the form of 5 different fragrances and the yang (essence) remains.

 

The 1st and 2nd 64 gongs are the primary sets and the basis for developing a solid foundation of health and for the curing and prevention of illness. They are the most popular and potentially all anyone need learn to provide you with a long and fruitful life. They cover both pre and postnatal energies and are a complete health care system in their own right.

 

When i first started training i didn't think i wanted to learn past the primary sets however the system is so natural and interesting that i have just continued on. It truly follows Taoist ideas and contains a lot of knowledge. It is a medical Qigong. It has its own martial system. It opens you up to higher level abilities such as healing others, prediction, visualising energy and ultimately enlightenment. It has a long and safe tradition which is proven and regarded very highly within China.

 

It is said that there are less than half the original syllabus remaining but i believe this to be untrue as there is a lot of knowledge, particularly in the healing and treatment side of the system that is not viewed as "forms" but is still an activity of the system and therefore could be regarded as other forms within the system. Hopefully all this knowledge can be documented and recorded for the future generations. Also it is believed that GM Yang Meijun transmitted different forms to differnet students. It is unclear as to why she would have done this.

 

Lastly I would like to say that in my opinion I do not think that the videos produced by Bingkun Hu are the best representation for practice and would suggest that you get a second opinion from other lineages of Grand Master Yang Miejun. The reason for this statement is that he states that he takes direct tuition from GM Yangs son, Chen. I have Bingkun Hu's video. Even in his video he says that he made the movements in the film more to how he was shown them, suggesting he has modified them, but it seem that he has gone way off the path. GM Yang wanted the movements unchanged and to her model. You can judge for yourself by comparing their youtube videos. They are however the only films available that show any forms other that the 1st and second 64 movements Kunlun Baqua and the meridian slapping.

I wouldn't normally make such a statement like this but I feel strongly that GM Yang wished that the system be kept as true to how she taught it and she only authorised a few people to teach her skill to others outside of China for that very reason. May I suggest that anyone who wants to know how to get these names to contact the Dayan Centre in Beijing and then get a teacher from that information or at least get a second opinion.

 

Lastly, thanks for your interest in Wild Goose Qigong. I hope this helps and if you want any more information then let me know.

Edited December 22, 2010 by Davgong

[Ten Thousand Methods]

Dayan Qigong is a large system but also one of the most complete. I have a few years experience in this system now and believe that i can make a reasonable statement about it.

The different forms each have there own particular focus and follow a pattern of advancement in the system. There are movement orientated forms and still forms or meditations. Some of the forms are practiced together to increase the energy effect. e.g. Chest Releasing Fragrance Gong (movement gong) is best followed by Buddhism Releasing Fragrance Gong(meditative gong). These are advanced gongs and where formulated to refine and cultivate essence. In doing so Yin energy is released in the form of 5 different fragrances and the yang (essence) remains.

 

The 1st and 2nd 64 gongs are the primary sets and the basis for developing a solid foundation of health and for the curing and prevention of illness. They are the most popular and potentially all anyone need learn to provide you with a long and fruitful life. They cover both pre and postnatal energies and are a complete health care system in their own right.

 

When i first started training i didn't think i wanted to learn past the primary sets however the system is so natural and interesting that i have just continued on. It truly follows Taoist ideas and contains a lot of knowledge. It is a medical Qigong. It has its own martial system. It opens you up to higher level abilities such as healing others, prediction, visualising energy and ultimately enlightenment. It has a long and safe tradition which is proven and regarded very highly within China.

 

It is said that there are less than half the original syllabus remaining but i believe this to be untrue as there is a lot of knowledge, particularly in the healing and treatment side of the system that is not viewed as "forms" but is still an activity of the system and therefore could be regarded as other forms within the system. Hopefully all this knowledge can be documented and recorded for the future generations. Also it is believed that GM Yang Meijun transmitted different forms to differnet students. It is unclear as to why she would have done this.

 

Lastly I would like to say that in my opinion I do not think that the videos produced by Bingkun Hu are the best representation for practice and would suggest that you get a second opinion from other lineages of Grand Master Yang Miejun. The reason for this statement is that he states that he takes direct tuition from GM Yangs son, Chen. I have Bingkun Hu's video. Even in his video he says that he made the movements in the film more to how he was shown them, suggesting he has modified them, but it seem that he has gone way off the path. GM Yang wanted the movements unchanged and to her model. You can judge for yourself by comparing their youtube videos. They are however the only films available that show any forms other that the 1st and second 64 movements Kunlun Baqua and the meridian slapping.

I wouldn't normally make such a statement like this but I feel strongly that GM Yang wished that the system be kept as true to how she taught it and she only authorised a few people to teach her skill to others outside of China for that very reason. May I suggest that anyone who wants to know how to get these names to contact the Dayan Centre in Beijing and then get a teacher from that information or at least get a second opinion.

 

Lastly, thanks for your interest in Wild Goose Qigong. I hope this helps and if you want any more information then let me know.

 

Thank you that was very informative.

[Immortal4life]

I cant really comment much on Dr. Hu, how close his form is to Grandmaster Yang Mei Jun's, or anything like that.

 

What I can say is that almost everyone I have seen perform Dayan qigong, had slightly different movements and slightly different forms.

 

As for qigong in general, I think, in my personal opinion, that Dr. Hu's movements appear to be very natural, flowing, and relaxed. I especially like how he moves his whole body together.

 

So IMO Dr. Hu is still very good.....

[SFJane]

 

By the way, no one is wrongfully "throwing around" the word Kunlun, to my knowledge -- the name is not, and cannot, be copyrighted, like all other geographical names. You can register "Kunlun Wild Goose" or "Kentucky Fried Chicken" as a trade name, but you can't lay claims of ownership or "authenticity" on "Kunlun" or "Kentucky" and expect no one else to use them for their own product. Historically, the name "Kunlun" was used hundreds of times in conjunction with hundreds of practices.

 

Kentucky Fried Wild Goose (original, not crispy). Mmmm.

[weishida]

I agree very much with what Davgong has said above. I hope we can speak more Davgong...

 

I'm new to Tao Bums. Just joined up to share with you guys about Wild Goose Qiqong.

 

I've been training Wild Goose Qigong since 2000 (check out my 'About Me' for back story).

I'm looking forward to sharing and helping anyone who's interested in learning more about

Wild Goose Qigong.

 

It's a bit 'hush hush' at the minute but we're planning a redidential training course in the

new Da Yan Qigong HQ and Training Centre in Beijing, late Spring 2011. Open to anyone.

If you're interested let me know. It' will be taught by Master Wang Tai Li, Chan Kim Fung

and myself.

 

If you're on Facebook, you can see more by following link below.

 

Have a wonderful Christmas. Chat more later.

[Maybe]

I know this is an ancient thread, but does anyone have advice on the proper order to practice this system?

I am brand new to qigong and have access to Dr. Bingkun Hu's videos through my wife's Amazon Prime account.

I'm currently doing form 1 and form 4 one time through each, twice a day because I read a few places that this is a good method for beginners, but I have no idea how accurate that information is.

If anyone has any advice on a good order, training regimen, or general tips, I'd be very glad to hear them.

[Maybe]

I can definitely see that, but I've seen other posts on this board from people who have suffered similar health issues to myself claiming great benefits from mastering the form.

I am kind of at my wits end, health-wise, having gone through dozens of specialists, hundreds of tests, numerous ER visits, and a number of other harrowing experiences only to constantly be told "Your tests all come back normal, so... check up with your GP if the symptoms persist I guess."

So, I'm fairly committed to putting in the work to make sure I can do this well. Having done what I've done thus far, I can already tell that there are small but noticeable differences in my health in a positive direction (less severe aches and pains, less gastritis symptoms, less mind fog, less background anxiety). 

As such, I'm not coming into this hoping that all my woes will be cured, but by all accounts, this system seems very for providing baseline health and recovery.

[Ant]

I wish you well on your Qigong journey Maybe : ) Wild Goose Qigong sounds really fascinating, if you do have trouble learning it from a book or DVD though I would also recommend trying Spring Forest Qigong, a powerful system that is definitely easy to learn from simply watching the techniques and listening to the instructions. And yeah, I empathize with you regarding the "your results came back as normal"experience, I've heard that from doctors too. Luckily for me I found a TCM practioner who quickly identified the cause of my symptoms and started treating them effectively with herbs, after Western doctor's had basically shrugged and told me not to worry about it. All the best mate..

[Starjumper]

I imagine that Mr. Lin created Spring Forest chi kung.  Does he ever say what system(s) he 's learned out of which he created his offerings?

[Aetherous]

I don't practice Wild Goose, but if I did I would definitely want to learn from the books and DVDs of these guys: http://www.dayanarts.com/
 

I think they have the best detailed information for how to perform it.

And then I'd learn with Michael Tse for more advanced stuff...for instance, there are forms like Plum Blossom Gong that sound really interesting.

Not impressed with the Dr. Hu materials at all.

[Maybe]

That seems to be the consensus unfortunately.

I don't have the money for these things, and these books and DVD's, at least to get a whole set, are expensive.

Dr. Hu's stuff is free to watch on prime, so that's all I have access to for now. I've noticed a small difference in my mental fortitude after even just a few days of forms 1 and 4 twice a day.