RongzomFan Posted January 11, 2011 lhundrup just means primordial purity or spontaneous presence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzogchen#Rigpa_and_Rainbow_Body Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pennyofheaven Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) I think it's merely semantics. I think Rigpa is just showing a person through experience that mind does not inherently exist and is merely a relative existence and this awareness is merely seeing through itself, thus self liberating and is then called as a convention, Rigpa (self liberated awareness), which is basically just mind liberated from itself. I don't know the terms you are referring to but what you say makes sense to me. Edited January 11, 2011 by pennyofheaven Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajrahridaya Posted January 11, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzogchen#Rigpa_and_Rainbow_Body Your point is? Lundrup is spoken about differently in different scholarly translations. I've seen it translated as primordial purity, instant presence, and here we see "natural formation." Sheesh... I guess it's all the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted January 11, 2011 Your point is? Lundrup is spoken about differently in different scholarly translations. I've seen it translated as primordial purity, instant presence, and here we see "natural formation." Sheesh... I guess it's all the same. I guess you didn't read the whole thing, but my point is that lhun grub has to do with thogal, yangti etc. Kadag is primordial purity, and that is trecho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajrahridaya Posted January 11, 2011 Your point is? Lundrup is spoken about differently in different scholarly translations. I've seen it translated as primordial purity, instant presence, and here we see "natural formation." Sheesh... I guess it's all the same. Oh never mind, Kadag is primordial purity... my mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajrahridaya Posted January 11, 2011 I guess you didn't read the whole thing, but my point is that lhun grub has to do with thogal, yangti etc. Kadag is primordial purity, and that is trecho I've read that whole article a number of times through the year. Yes, I just read it again now and recognized my mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RongzomFan Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) Oh never mind, Kadag is primordial purity... my mistake. Its not even about that. Lhun grub correlates to thogal. Kadgag correlates to trecho. Namdrol checked that info out, and it is good info. Actually I basically took what he wrote and jammed it in there, and made him double check it Edited January 11, 2011 by alwayson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajrahridaya Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) I think you should read that section a couple of times. I had it double checked by Namdrol. Its good info. Ok Mr. Yes me bossy. It's all information that's in Crystal and the Way of Light. It's basic and I was merely interchanging Tibetan words of which I am far from a scholar on. It's about the meaning and the inner experience, but yes... I used the wrong word. I apologize to the entire world for doing so! Edited January 11, 2011 by Vajrahridaya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajrahridaya Posted January 11, 2011 Its not even about that. Lhun grub correlates to thogal. Kadgag correlates to trecho. Namdrol checked that info out, and it is good info. Have you read Crystal and the Way of Light? It'll give you greater context than the Wiki article. I agree, it's all good info. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajrahridaya Posted January 11, 2011 I don't know the terms you are referring to but what you say makes sense to me. Wonderful! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
