Adrenal Fatigue/PE/Over Masturbation

[CraigOwens]

Hello all, Im currently a 20 yr old male. Growing up I had a terrible habit of over masturbating (3-5 times daily) for probably about 2 years and this started at Id say age 15-16, after that Id say about 2 times a day up until this year. I feel that this is the main cause to my premature ejaculation issues i face now as well as adrenal fatigue and Im looking for some type of relief from it

 

i never knew about over masturbation until recently but now i need to know the way that i can recover the quickest. lately when i ejaculate all of my cum is all watery, it isnt that thick white substance that it should be which pretty much makes me think even more so that i have over masturbated for way too long.

 

also what is everyones opinion on the start and stop technique? i was reading that the start and stop technique or "the big draw" is a good way to build up stamina but then i read conflicting ideas from a google search saying that in Taoist point of view it is still harmful since it will promote the standard inflammatory response for excessive prostaglandin E2, histamine, glutamate, epinephrine, norepinephrine, cortisol, and burn androgen hormones and neurotransmitters.

 

please any type of help that i can get will be a god send. thanks for taking time to read.

[TheSongsofDistantEarth]

As Adam Carolla would say, "4 times a day? Gee, that's a little light". Um, that's friggin' normal for your age, Mr Craig. Start exercising more. And at your age, I can just about guarantee you don't have adrenal fatigue.

 

I recommend getting some geriatric gynecologic pathology books for your bathroom Either that or a 19 year old young lady should be able to help you stop pullin' on it.

[markern]

reuniting.info has a forum and lots of info about this. They talk a lot about not having orgasms during sex but what they actually mean is having tantric valey orgasms and not conventional peak orgasms. THey clear that up in a forum post I just wanted to point that out to ou so you won`t get too confused.

 

If you feel fatigued and unhealthy I would by the beginner springforestqigong set and start doing some of that daily. After a while you will start to feel great and become more balanced. THen all sorts of other issues also get easier. If low kidney energy or something like that is a cause of your premature ejaculation the qigong will help a lot.

 

I would change my habit of masturbation if I was you from a presumably hard and kinda eratic style to a soft and slow and almost teasing style. That will help in learning you to not jump straight up till the point of no return and you will start to feel much more sensations. You could check out alchemicaltaoism.com for some valuable info on sexual cultivation type stuff.

 

It is more beneficial to masturbate to fantasies of slow lovemaking with a girl you love or a goddess or something than just regular porn fucking. I am not saying deny yourself the latter I am saying exchange some of the usual fantasies with this. THe reason is it will produce more oxytocin to help balance out your sexual hormones.

[pilot]

don't fall for sweeping generalizations others make of you, listen to your own body first. There is the website drlin org which has information and packages that claim to help with such problems. You could consult a doctor and an oriental medical doctor for starters as well and explain exactly how you feel and what you think may have caused it, and let them take it from there. Also, be careful about what supplements you try since their quality and concentration is not officially regulated (the same package could have varying doses).

 

The other basic thing I would look into is gradually slowing down what you are doing, and begin paying attention to your very own body in a normal way, and meet its needs regularly (ie. if you feel hungry, eat; if an activity/person is making you feel depleted, minimize it, etc.).

 

I say this because in my personal experience, adrenal fatigue is a result of not listening to your body and mind (in my case, pushing myself excessively in my studies) in the first place. From what I understand, it can happen from one severely stressful event, but unless you know of one, you can bet it is from neglecting your own inner sensations and intuition.

 

"also what is everyones opinion on the start and stop technique?"

 

Before experimenting, I would first try to restore balance and health (in all areas of your life, not just sex). I believe everyone's body is different slightly, and even your own body changes over time.

 

I wish you well on your recovery!

[Gerard]

Hello all, Im currently a 20 yr old male. Growing up I had a terrible habit of over masturbating (3-5 times daily) for probably about 2 years...

 

Let me continue the sentence: Most likely caused by liver Qi stagnation which would be relieved by masturbation. In the end it is a never ending cycle.

 

Remedy, maybe it is closer than what you think. Check out this discussion:

 

http://www.reuniting.info/node/3629

[CraigOwens]

Let me continue the sentence: Most likely caused by liver Qi stagnation which would be relieved by masturbation. In the end it is a never ending cycle.

 

Remedy, maybe it is closer than what you think. Check out this discussion:

 

http://www.reuniting.info/node/3629

 

Very interesting, thanks for the site (& to the guy who also recommended it a few posts earlier also)

 

Im going to try refrain from ejaculation for a while, gonna shoot for as long as I can get in hopes that my body will get back into balance like the guy from that excerpt.

 

 

I'd like to get a few more opinions on the start/stop technique and if this is overall damaging to the neurological system even without reaching climax because Ive read conflicting opinions. Thanks everyone, keep the advice coming please.

Edited January 6, 2011 by CraigOwens

[TheSongsofDistantEarth]

Do not look at porn.

 

Don't beat yourself up if you ejaculate. You're 20 and have a lot of testosterone.

[fiveelementtao]

now i need to know the way that i can recover the quickest.

 

Why the Quickest? What's the hurry? You spent alot of years creating the problem. You can take your time fixing the problem. Perhaps patience is part of your recovery.

 

also what is everyones opinion on the start and stop technique? i was reading that the start and stop technique or "the big draw" is a good way to build up stamina but then i read conflicting ideas from a google search saying that in Taoist point of view it is still harmful

 

If you are going to stimulate yourself, you need to release. Otherwise you are going to create heat with the sexually stimulated sperm. If you keep it in your body it can heat you up and cause further decay. If you wish to use celibacy as part of your recovery, it is best that you avoid any sexual stimulation. Sexual techniques for semen retention will only make things worse.

It is also a good idea to physically seek out TCM person. Do not take any advice from a forum, internet or books. Seek out a professional..

 

Another option is to find a girlfriend and only have sex with her. Sex with a partner can help heal imbalances. Most likely your preature ejaculation is not from masturbation. It may be psychological.

 

In any case, find some professional help.

my.02

[ben]

[宁]

Let me continue the sentence: Most likely caused by liver Qi stagnation which would be relieved by masturbation. In the end it is a never ending cycle.

 

Remedy, maybe it is closer than what you think. Check out this discussion:

 

http://www.reuniting.info/node/3629

 

 

Agreed!

 

Also, if you want to know what is your real sexual potential, you should cut down sugar and most of the corn syrup foods. After a few weeks you'll return to normal - which is not masturbating 4 times a day, no matter what you've heard.

You yourself seem to be aware of it, otherwise you wouldn't have asked.

[Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that]

 

 

lately when i ejaculate all of my cum is all watery, it isnt that thick white substance that it should be which pretty much makes me think even more so that i have over masturbated for way too long.

 

 

 

Apparently bananas can help thicken it up, not that I'd know anything about that of course, I've just heard some porn blokes do it. Not that I've ever seen a porn bloke, or a porn for that matter, being the vestal virgin that I am.

 

Here's another article with another suggestion..... its not the top one by the way, which is about something altogether different.

 

http://www.askmen.com/dating/dzimmer_100/117b_love_answers.html

 

ps. it may be better to do some market research first as to what females prefer, watery or .... other. Then you might start wondering sweet/salty. The possibilities are endless....well, there not really.

[sifusufi]

This has been quite the educational post!

 

I've read not to practice qigong for a day or three after sex.

 

This may carry over to working out as well. I believe it does due to the recovery process.

 

I've read that spilling seed will drain the organs while the supply replenishes.

 

Could an expert chime in and explain why no qigong, zhan zhuang post sex?

 

Obrigado

[sifusufi]

This has been quite the educational post!

 

I've read not to practice qigong for a day or three after sex.

 

This may carry over to working out as well. I believe it does due to the recovery process.

 

I've read that spilling seed will drain the organs while the supply replenishes.

 

Could an expert chime in and explain why no qigong, zhan zhuang post sex?

 

Obrigado

 

 

Could an expert chime in and explain why no qigong, zhan zhuang post sex?

[ben]

[King Kabalabhati]

[宁]

Could an expert chime in and explain why no qigong, zhan zhuang post sex?

 

Practice and sexual activity

 

In my experience it's because in Qigong your vital fluids are starting to vibrate, and generate a kind of bio electro magnetic field around your body. This happens first in the groin area, and gradually works up to the torso and head and even above it, gradually enveloping you.

This 'force field' is your protective energy, Wai Qi.

 

In fact you should look up manuals of TCM that explain to you the way all the different types of energy are linked together in a network - if you stimulate or deplete an area, the others have to compensate.

After you have ejaculated (or even been stimulated - because over stimulation is just as taxing to the vital fluids, Jing) you don't have the same resources to build up.

 

So what the body does is taking from the 'federal reserve', the energy provision that is left for emergency situations. If you do that alot while you are young (because you don't know and you don't feel much - you start feeling the effects only as you progress in age), in the end this 'reserve' will get pretty thin.

 

It's the same thing that happens when the body doesn't get it's necessary nutrition: it takes it by 'stealing' it from vital organs such as liver and brain, which are very rich in nutrients.

 

The body is the main engine of either our daily life or our daily practice, many things depend on it.

Therefore, we should pay more attention to it.

You know how much gas your car needs to run on the streets, but you haven't any idea about the complex minerals and vitamins your body needs to meet your daily demands, be it practice, sex or other. Think about it.

 

While it is true that you can't throw blanket statements left and right, you should beware of this rule regarding sexual activity and Qigong, make a thorough study of it in your practice, and then apply it as you feel it's best to you. If on the long term it leaves your body stronger, it's a sign that it's working.

But if your body starts to decline with age, no matter how much practice you 'push' into it, it may be a sign that you have overlooked this aspect.

 

Hope this helps

Edited January 20, 2011 by Little1

[ben]

Practice and sexual activity

 

In my experience it's because in Qigong your vital fluids are starting to vibrate, and generate a kind of bio electro magnetic field around your body. This happens first in the groin area, and gradually works up to the torso and head and even above it, gradually enveloping you.

This 'force field' is your protective energy, Wai Qi.

 

In fact you should look up manuals of TCM that explain to you the way all the different types of energy are linked together in a network - if you stimulate or deplete an area, the others have to compensate.

After you have ejaculated (or even been stimulated - because over stimulation is just as taxing to the vital fluids, Jing) you don't have the same resources to build up.

 

So what the body does is taking from the 'federal reserve', the energy provision that is left for emergency situations. If you do that alot while you are young (because you don't know and you don't feel much - you start feeling the effects only as you progress in age), in the end this 'reserve' will get pretty thin.

 

It's the same thing that happens when the body doesn't get it's necessary nutrition: it takes it by 'stealing' it from vital organs such as liver and brain, which are very rich in nutrients.

 

The body is the main engine of either our daily life or our daily practice, many things depend on it.

Therefore, we should pay more attention to it.

You know how much gas your car needs to run on the streets, but you haven't any idea about the complex minerals and vitamins your body needs to meet your daily demands, be it practice, sex or other. Think about it.

 

While it is true that you can't throw blanket statements left and right, you should beware of this rule regarding sexual activity and Qigong, make a thorough study of it in your practice, and then apply it as you feel it's best to you. If on the long term it leaves your body stronger, it's a sign that it's working.

But if your body starts to decline with age, no matter how much practice you 'push' into it, it may be a sign that you have overlooked this aspect.

 

Hope this helps

 

Well said.

[King Kabalabhati]

Well said.

 

+1

[hagar]

Practice and sexual activity

 

In my experience it's because in Qigong your vital fluids are starting to vibrate, and generate a kind of bio electro magnetic field around your body. This happens first in the groin area, and gradually works up to the torso and head and even above it, gradually enveloping you.

This 'force field' is your protective energy, Wai Qi.

 

In fact you should look up manuals of TCM that explain to you the way all the different types of energy are linked together in a network - if you stimulate or deplete an area, the others have to compensate.

After you have ejaculated (or even been stimulated - because over stimulation is just as taxing to the vital fluids, Jing) you don't have the same resources to build up.

 

So what the body does is taking from the 'federal reserve', the energy provision that is left for emergency situations. If you do that alot while you are young (because you don't know and you don't feel much - you start feeling the effects only as you progress in age), in the end this 'reserve' will get pretty thin.

 

It's the same thing that happens when the body doesn't get it's necessary nutrition: it takes it by 'stealing' it from vital organs such as liver and brain, which are very rich in nutrients.

 

The body is the main engine of either our daily life or our daily practice, many things depend on it.

Therefore, we should pay more attention to it.

You know how much gas your car needs to run on the streets, but you haven't any idea about the complex minerals and vitamins your body needs to meet your daily demands, be it practice, sex or other. Think about it.

 

While it is true that you can't throw blanket statements left and right, you should beware of this rule regarding sexual activity and Qigong, make a thorough study of it in your practice, and then apply it as you feel it's best to you. If on the long term it leaves your body stronger, it's a sign that it's working.

But if your body starts to decline with age, no matter how much practice you 'push' into it, it may be a sign that you have overlooked this aspect.

 

Hope this helps

 

Allthough this is a good overview of the way Jing energy is taxed by the sensory overstimulation (not only sexual), such things as liver stagnation indicates the real source of the problem in many cases; emotional issues stored in the liver and body in general.

These blockages are really fundamental to how the body light is leaking out of the body such that health deteriorates. When these issues are resolved, and the body light is reunited with the physical aspect/jing, health returns. In many cases, when the light body is shattered, nomatter how much you "retain" your fundmental physical energy will not be infused with the source energy.

Why do we feel replenished when our mind stops?

h

[宁]

Allthough this is a good overview of the way Jing energy is taxed by the sensory overstimulation (not only sexual), such things as liver stagnation indicates the real source of the problem in many cases; emotional issues stored in the liver and body in general.

 

 

I read Gerard's opinion and it seems to concur with yours.

Yet I'm not sure I fully understand what do you both are stating, namely, liver stagnation as a cause.

Could you be a bit more specific?

 

These blockages are really fundamental to how the body light is leaking out of the body such that health deteriorates. When these issues are resolved, and the body light is reunited with the physical aspect/jing, health returns.

 

Very interesting.

 

In many cases, when the light body is shattered, nomatter how much you "retain" your fundmental physical energy will not be infused with the source energy.

 

Although it may not seem very spiritual, I think that guarding your physical treasure may function like an insurance. If you invest in it, you can always start again, from base one.

 

Why do we feel replenished when our mind stops?

h

 

When you collect the mind, you strenghten the Qi.

When you strenghten the Qi, the Jing will be sustained.

Edited January 20, 2011 by Little1

[JohnC]

I actually don't recommend some of the info on reuniting.info. They demonize orgasm, when orgasm is something that is great and very natural. It's a bunch of pseudoscience, as far as I see it.

 

While moving away from goal oriented sex is great, sometimes some good hard fucking is great.

 

It's how you are with your orgasm.

Basically everything with balance.

 

Masturbation/self love isn't wrong, porn isn't bad, etc... but if you look at porn too much to escape and have a weird relationship with it and sexuality, or masturbate 20 times a day, sure... then it's moving into addiction and escape, at the detriment of your life. Just like video games, just like food, etc.

 

Although abstaining from masturbating can be totally healthy.

 

When they started talking about on the forum that porn made some people gay (as if gay is wrong), I stopped reading that site.

 

John

Edited January 20, 2011 by JohnC

[King Kabalabhati]

I actually don't recommend some of the info on reuniting.info. They demonize orgasm, when orgasm is something that is great and very natural. It's a bunch of pseudoscience, as far as I see it.

 

While moving away from goal oriented sex is great, sometimes some good hard fucking is great.

 

It's how you are with your orgasm.

Basically everything with balance.

 

Masturbation/self love isn't wrong, porn isn't bad, etc... but if you look at porn too much to escape and have a weird relationship with it and sexuality, or masturbate 20 times a day, sure... then it's moving into addiction and escape, at the detriment of your life. Just like video games, just like food, etc.

 

When they started talking about on the forum that porn made some people gay (as if gay is wrong), I stopped reading that site.

 

John

 

Are we talking from the point of view of a cultivator or a layman? Because there is a difference, and this difference pretty much determines whether you want to take advice from say Little1 or from JohnC I'm a cultivator, and if I watch porn and masturbate I will instantly feel it in my energy, a drained deflated sensation, so I don't do it. I can't say much about the dual cultivation/karezza/hard fucking because I am yet to find a suitable Taoist love partner. It's probably more about the state mind than the hardness/softness. They do call it sexual kung fu, don't they?

 

edit: deflated not inflated

Edited January 20, 2011 by King Kabalabhati

[JohnC]

Are we talking from the point of view of a cultivator or a layman? Because there is a difference, and this difference pretty much determines whether you want to take advice from say Little1 or from JohnC I'm a cultivator, and if I watch porn and masturbate I will instantly feel it in my energy, a drained deflated sensation, so I don't do it. I can't say much about the dual cultivation/karezza/hard fucking because I am yet to find a suitable Taoist love partner. It's probably more about the state mind than the hardness/softness. They do call it sexual kung fu, don't they?

 

edit: deflated not inflated

 

 

I'm totally for cultivation, if thats your goal. Like the golden flower, and sublimating sexual energy I'm all for. So yea you don't masturbate, or watch porn.

 

What I'm talking about is how that site uses pseudoscience to explain how orgasms are bad and cause depressions, etc.

 

My point though is that orgasm isn't bad, neither is porn, and its more about your relationship to the subject matter. Furthermore that depression and the like is more about how your living, beliefs/values/perception, etc. That anything can be an escape/addiction/etc.

 

But all these things in balance.

 

John

Edited January 20, 2011 by JohnC