The Secret of Conscious Co-Creation

[neimad]

This isn't exactly manifestation the way I see it. Because this 'fat person' decides to lose weight and starts to actively exercise etc. he/she is actually 'doing' alot to force the new reality. They are essentially saying "I am a fat person who is going to go on this tried and true method to lose 60 pounds by diet, exercise and starving myself. I will probably fail, but I'm going to give it my best shot. If this doesn't work, I'll go on weight watchers, etc." Which is fine, but for the purpose of discussing the concept of manifestation I want to point something out. I believe that if the fat person begins to feel like a skinny person, very subtle chemical changes begin in their body to reflect the new thinking. They may be able to process sugar better, dopamine levels may increase, they may actually start to burn calories more efficiently. These subtle changes begin to seep into the day to day. I also believe that on some level our ideas about ourselves are broadcast to others around us on an unconscious level. Other people somehow start to treat the 'fat person' as if they were skinnier. While on this topic, I think a complete belief change is almost impossible. This is theortical. I think something that might be more acceptable instead of "I am skinny" is "I am getting thinner" etc. It's easy to self doubt "i am skinny" when you pass a mirror, but it's harder to doubt "I am getting thinner".

Anyway, my two cent ramble..

 

T

 

 

yeah perhaps it's not super manifestation.... all your desires coming true with simple thoughts.

 

but you are missing the point, it IS a result of thought/desire/intent.

 

to change reality, work needs to be done. if one wants a lot of wealth one has to apply a lot of work towards that.... either a lot of work mentally to allow oneself to be more receptive to wealth... or to actively work, by investing researching working, etc to accumulate that wealth. either way, the work needs to be done to achieve the goal.....

 

my point was we are all so caught up in the quick-fix "think and you will get" mentality that we forget that it actually takes a lot of work to get it.

i hesitate to say effort... because i think effort and work are something different, effortlessness is a state we should strive for... but that too takes HARD WORK!!!

 

if i want to alter my own reality, any aspect about it whatsoever.... i have the though/intent/desire to do so and then i put in the hard work. i put in the work on the mental plane and on the physical plane.

if i want to have a good looking body.... i think about having a good looking body, and that gives me the discipline and determination to do the exercise to get there.

 

see.... we are so caught up in the mystical and quick-fix that we forget that where we are RIGHT NOW was a process of our own personal manifestation... on every level!!! we allowed this circumstance to come about, and with a strong enough intent and hard work we can alter it to suit the way we want it to be.

 

now thats what its really all about.

 

any successful person out there, i am 100% certain both had incredibly strong focus and unwavering intent... and at the same time put in the hard work to get where they are. as the hard work goes in, the energy expands and more of what you are focused on is drawn to you.

 

 

if one wants to believe in fanciful ideals of believing something and it'll just easily come true, without any hard work.... well be prepared for failure.

it's not that it's not possible, it's just that it takes hard work!

 

sean wants to manifest a million dollars... what does he do? he spends time every day working on manifesting that million dollars. he puts in the hard work to change his thoughts in regards to wealth, to create a situation where he feels he can accept a million dollars into his life. he seizes every oppurtunity that now presents itself financially... and sure enough, if he worked hard enough at it with an unwavering intent... it'll come into his life.

 

 

it's not that we cannot think things into our life.... it's that each and every single level of our lives is a result of a thought we had (or didn't have)... in other words we are responsible for our lives and we can alter it on any level.... even as simple as a fat man deciding to exercise and eat healthier to get himself in shape. that is bending reality to your will!!!

 

don't neglect the mundane, for thats where the magic truly lies

[hagar]

Hagar,

 

At first I was turned off by Esther b/c of the getting what you want focus, but I gradually realized that her teaching isn't about that.

 

While she does teach "ask and ye shall receive" it's only when you "seek first the kingdom of God, that all else will be added unto you." That's why it doesn't really matter if one buys or rejects the "ask and ye shall receive" philosophy as long as the "seek ye first" thing is primary. I comparison, it's an incidental 'marketing arm' of her message.

 

-Yoda

 

I get you Yoda. BTW, you are a very lucky man! I saw the pics from your home, the veranda and your kids! Wow!

 

As to what you wrote, I guess if you distill the message down to what you say above, the movie is not all that bad. My point was that if you show this to people who actually have a degree of need and suffering in their lives, you create more of the same. Why? Because it will not give them an opportunity to cut through their games, their delusion. It just gives it fuel. Like the Rolling Stones song:

 

"You can't always get what you want

But if you try sometimes you might find

You get what you need"

 

I am handing in my masters thesis this week, so I really shouldn't write anything more here. So I'll finish off with this speech of Sakyong Trungpa on the nature of reality and suffering:

 

"Buddha and the Nature of Reality

 

"In searching for happiness in all the wrong places we continually perpetuate the basic misunderstanding that we exist. Our illusion of a self invades whatever we encounter--"my" family, "my" house, "my" country, "my" world. Day and night we feed and fortify "me." It's stressful and exhausting. When we begin to meditate--acknowledging our thoughts and relaxing with our breath--we begin to realize that we have a body, we have a mind, and we have different kinds of consciousness--sight consciousness, sound consciousness, smell consciousness. We realize that some days we feel like ourselves and some days we don't. We see that the self we considered solid is continuously changing. After a while this "me" is not so hard and real. Meditation shows us the nature of the dream as well as the possibility of awakening from it. We begin to see where true happiness might lie."

 

h

[Smile]

At the very least, I would argue that being in this world, one needs to have some degree of mastery over karma in order to manifest enough cash and free time to practice and not to be too concerned with common worldly problems involving family, politics, the health of others, etc. You need to know enough about karma to see the bigger picture so that one can walk in joy in the midst of whatever is out there.

It certainly can be, Yoda. My personal goal is not a mastery or controll of my karma or destiny but dissolution of it. I could see the video can be of some benefit to lots of people; it can be a good start, at least.

[thaddeus]

"Buddha and the Nature of Reality

 

"In searching for happiness in all the wrong places we continually perpetuate the basic misunderstanding that we exist. Our illusion of a self invades whatever we encounter--"my" family, "my" house, "my" country, "my" world. Day and night we feed and fortify "me." It's stressful and exhausting. When we begin to meditate--acknowledging our thoughts and relaxing with our breath--we begin to realize that we have a body, we have a mind, and we have different kinds of consciousness--sight consciousness, sound consciousness, smell consciousness. We realize that some days we feel like ourselves and some days we don't. We see that the self we considered solid is continuously changing. After a while this "me" is not so hard and real. Meditation shows us the nature of the dream as well as the possibility of awakening from it. We begin to see where true happiness might lie."

 

h

and then you die

[Smile]

Hagar,

 

I noticed in your posts you talk about pain a lot. Does it have anything to do with you getting married and having a baby?

[Yoda]

Thanks Hagar! Good luck on your final push! Nice meditation quote.

 

-Yoda

[Cameron]

I don't know that it's about postive thinking so much as having goals. If you call having goals and achiving them postive thinking than it's postive thinking I just look at it as accomplishing your goals.

 

But like Tom Clancey said you have goals and accomplish them then you are what's called successful.

 

One of my things lately is to try to completly stop theorizing and guessing about how things work. Instead, if something interests you, try it out. Don't worry what peoples opnions are about meditation or diet or excercise. Try it for yourself and decide for yourself if it's true.

 

Here's an experiment we all could try if you want. Matt Furey teaches a way to get the ball rolling in accomplishing your aims. write down a top 10 list of goals you want to accomplish this year. Even if you don't beleive this conscious creation stuff works try it out. No matter how silly or far fetched you think it is, take out a pice of paper or note card and write down the 10 things you would want to create in your life.

 

If you think it's utter nonsense maybe still try it. Write them down and turn the paper face down and hide it underneath your computer. Just stick it somewhere and forget about it. Don't even look at it until next year.

 

It could be an interesting experiment. We could all test the teachings of the movie Sean posted and Furey talks alot about for ourselves and then give feedback in a year or so. Or even next January.

 

Cam

[Fireblood]

Climb the mountain to sagehood then return and live as a common man.

 

I think that's where the journey ends for most people on the search.

[hagar]

Thanks Hagar! Good luck on your final push! Nice meditation quote.

 

-Yoda

 

Thank you,

I will log off for now. FInal push indeed. This is the culmination of 7 years of education, so I guess I will bite my tounge and do a little bit of positive thinking, and some creative visualization! Dp send some good vibes across the pond if you feel like it. Whatever works.

 

Max, I will give you a quick resume of my experiences lately, but as for now, I'm in over my head in work.

But take it from me...21 hours of labor...Changes a man. And no, it's not cute. And no, I'm not married...Yet anyway ( My girl is a socialist who "doesn't believe in the bourgeoise institution of marriage)

 

h

[sean]

Wow. I didn't have the time this week to participate in this discussion more, but I just read through it and it turned into quite a powerful conversation. I'm walking away with a much more sophisticated understanding of this subject, thanks to everyone who contributed time to clarifying their views. Great stuff.

[DaoWaDiddy]

[snip]

While on this topic, I think a complete belief change is almost impossible. This is theortical. I think something that might be more acceptable instead of "I am skinny" is "I am getting thinner" etc. It's easy to self doubt "i am skinny" when you pass a mirror, but it's harder to doubt "I am getting thinner".

Anyway, my two cent ramble..

 

T

Thaddeus,

 

I agree with you that bare affirmations like "I am skinny" have the strong possiblity of getting an internal response of a slightly sarcastic "Yeah - right..."

 

Instead, try putting it in the form of a question that presupposes the result that you are interested it. Instead of "I am skinny" or "I am getting thinner" it would be something like "I wonder how soon I will notice that my weight is decreasing?" or "How delighted will I be to discover that I am thinner?" This sends our minds on a very different internal search...

 

All the best,

Charlie

 

PS - Good luck to you Hagar as you reach the finish.

[Cameron]

Yodsterz,

 

Esther Hicks is doing a workshop in Sedona on August 27. Do you think it's worth me checking out? I think I have to pay in advance. Probably a nice excuse to do a Sedona day trip and I like her vibes.

 

So she is channeling Abraham? Is that Abraham from the Bible or something else?

 

Cam

Edited June 12, 2006 by Cameron

[Yoda]

Cam,

 

I'll send you some tapes to see if you like her. What's your address again?

 

-Yoda

[Yoda]

I just heard a rumor that Esther has requested to be deleted out of "the Secret". Leaking a rumor like that could just be a negotiating tactic, of course. Hopefully The Secret and Esther will remain business partners, as it's a nice flick and a good intro to her material.

 

I just tried to click on the link Sean posted so I could send it to a friend before it collapses, and it's gone. Maybe that's just google videos, or maybe they are making some changes to the film.

[Callan]

Interesting discussion.

 

Some more thoughts.

 

"Tao Te Ching states: Misfortune comes from having a body. If you had no body, how could there be misfortune? Misfortune is the human condition. Immortality is not physical immortality, but gained from seeing through the confusion of this world."

 

Another tranlation I saw of this passage goes more along the lines of Accept misfortune as if it were your own body. The meaning I took from this was that there is a lot of baggage that goes along with having a body - the body is an amazing thing to have so be grateful for it and everything else which goes along with it.

 

If a rape victim realises that they have created their own reality then by definition they are not a victim anymore and have cured themselves of any trauma. (of course getting to this place generally takes more than thinking about it but it is possible.)

Or take any incident - if you feel something BAD has happened to you then you are a victim of circumstances. On the other hand if you have the attitude that you have created an event in your life to teach you something then you're a co-creator (assuming you can learn whatever it is you created the incident for.) And if you can really feel gratitude for what others would call misfortune then it really is that simple.

 

 

Manifesting things by just thinking about them? Can't really do it myself. I like to think i'll be able to one day.

[neimad]

fantastic thoughts, callan.

 

 

this is the matrix.... our "worthy opponent" and our battleground.

 

every single experience in our lives is a lesson.

 

and this is what recapitulation is about.... it's about going back in your life and discovering all the lessons you missed and thus absorbing the energy from them and at the same time erasing the past (no longer allowing it to hold you).

[Yoda]

Can't really do it myself. I like to think i'll be able to one day.

 

 

 

Actually, you do it all the time.

 

Getting a glass of water, for instance. You want the glass of water, you feel good about your prospect of getting it, so it soon manifests into your experience.

 

The more confidence you have in this process, the further out you can send your desire.

 

The key is to become more sensitive to your feelings and meditation is the best way to do that.

[Yoda]

Actually, actually, the most important manifestation is the ability to manifest higher vibrational thoughts and feelings. That's way more important than being able to manifest air, water, food, shelter, money, etc.

 

That's really where the focus needs to be on.

[Ian]

Actually, actually, the most important manifestation is the ability to manifest higher vibrational thoughts and feelings. That's way more important than being able to manifest air, water, food, shelter, money, etc.

 

That's really where the focus needs to be on.

 

Better yet, do nothing.

[Yoda]

true dat.

[neimad]

sponteneity is the true manifestation.

[hagar]

I have a confession to make.

 

In relation to the manifesting thread here, I thought I might know my enemy and give it a try.

 

In the last month, I've applied some of the principles, and have come up with a tentative conclusion:

 

It works.

 

Sorry to say, but I have to bite my tounge as to the efficacy of the methods.

 

But more importantly, be REALLY careful what you wish for!!! I won't go into details, but this shit is potent. And it will generate a shitload of bad karma if you don't pay close attention. It's actually quite X-filish!

 

Secondly, there seem to be different degrees of ease to the stuff you aspire to manifest. Some things just appear out of thin air with little or small amount of effort. As to other things, they seem to manifest in relation to the unconsious resitance residing in relation to what you are contemplating. Actually quite intriguing.

 

I seem to have quite alot of resistance towards affluence in regards to money. But it does work in this department as well. Secondly, I attended a retreat where we focused on Qigong methods for working with relationships. Combining the two has worked wonders for me.

 

Lastly, I feel something approaching nausea towards the lingo and emphasis of the contributors of "The secret" and other "positive thinking" gurus. But if I take it down to the core essence, like reading the old hermetic texts, it is quite in line with daoist paradigms.

 

Conclusion. If you don't have a dream, how you gonna make a dream come true. But be careful that it doesn't turn into a nightmare...

 

Jeeezzz

 

h

 

PS: I visualized getting an A on my master's. Haven't gotten a grade yet, so that's exciting.

[Yoda]

Hagar,

 

Welcome to the dark side!

 

I think that's where meditation is extremely important, which is totally passed over in the presentation of this material.

 

The two dimensions re: ease of manifesting are strength of desire and amount of resistance aka disbelief you have about being able to manifest something. Often, very slight desires manifest easier as one doesn't even bother to resist it.

 

Regardless if one actually 'uses' this information, it is good to be aware of as the process of manifesting reality is going on unconsciously all the time.

 

It's also handy when it comes to raising kids... Esther's mantra, "wouldn't it be nice if..." is killer. The phrase focuses desire *and* lowers resistance. If there's one tool from Esther that's worth playing with, that's that one.

 

 

The dark side of working with magic is when you attempt to use it to control others. It doesn't work and just backfires. That's why you read about all those magicians fighting off spirits all the time... that was simply their desire to control others coming to its natural manifestation.

 

So with a crying baby, for instance, "wouldn't it be nice if he was quiet and content right now?" Usually, that's too hard to pull off in the moment, but "wouldn't it be nice if he was a quieter baby? (in general)" definitely works.

 

If you do it in a detached way... it would be nice, but there's no compulsion sort of way there shouldn't be any glitchiness to it. It's an art.

 

-Yoda

[hagar]

Hagar,

 

Welcome to the dark side!

 

I think that's where meditation is extremely important, which is totally passed over in the presentation of this material.

 

The two dimensions re: ease of manifesting are strength of desire and amount of resistance aka disbelief you have about being able to manifest something. Often, very slight desires manifest easier as one doesn't even bother to resist it.

 

Regardless if one actually 'uses' this information, it is good to be aware of as the process of manifesting reality is going on unconsciously all the time.

 

It's also handy when it comes to raising kids... Esther's mantra, "wouldn't it be nice if..." is killer. The phrase focuses desire *and* lowers resistance. If there's one tool from Esther that's worth playing with, that's that one.

The dark side of working with magic is when you attempt to use it to control others. It doesn't work and just backfires. That's why you read about all those magicians fighting off spirits all the time... that was simply their desire to control others coming to its natural manifestation.

 

So with a crying baby, for instance, "wouldn't it be nice if he was quiet and content right now?" Usually, that's too hard to pull off in the moment, but "wouldn't it be nice if he was a quieter baby? (in general)" definitely works.

 

If you do it in a detached way... it would be nice, but there's no compulsion sort of way there shouldn't be any glitchiness to it. It's an art.

 

-Yoda

 

Thanks Yoda

 

These I'll try out! Since my baby is all but quiet, I'll be eager to see if there's an effect.

 

As to the resistance aspect, It's difficult to say what is my own making and what is actually reality.

 

But I'll be back with more,.

 

h

[Yoda]

Law of Attraction in the wikipedia:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction_%28New_Age%29

 

I added Ernest Holmes who I believe may have originated the phrase and Norman Vincent Peale who had obviously contributed to the concept as well.