Five Reasons You Won't Die

[surfingbudda]

My dad showed me this article which I found very interesting and enjoyable to read. Well heres the article, enjoy

 

We've been taught we're just a collection of cells, and that we die when our bodies wear out. End of story. I've written textbooks showing how cells can be engineered into virtually all the tissues and organs of the human body. But a long list of scientific experiments suggests our belief in death is based on a false premise, that the world exists independent of us − the great observer.

 

Here are five reasons you won't die.

 

Reason One. You're not an object, you're a special being. According to biocentrism, nothing could exist without consciousness. Remember you can't see through the bone surrounding your brain. Space and time aren't objects, but rather the tools our mind uses to weave everything together.

 

"It will remain remarkable," said Eugene Wigner, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1963 "in whatever way our future concepts may develop, that the very study of the external world led to the conclusion that the content of the consciousness is an ultimate reality."

 

Consider the uncertainty principle, one of the most famous and important aspects of quantum mechanics. Experiments confirm it's built into the fabric of reality, but it only makes sense from a biocentric perspective. If there's really a world out there with particles just bouncing around, then we should be able to measure all their properties. But we can't. Why should it matter to a particle what you decide to measure? Consider the double-slit experiment: if one "watches" a subatomic particle or a bit of light pass through slits on a barrier, it behaves like a particle and creates solid-looking hits behind the individual slits on the final barrier that measures the impacts. Like a tiny bullet, it logically passes through one or the other hole. But if the scientists do not observe the trajectory of the particle, then it exhibits the behavior of waves that allow it pass through both holes at the same time. Why does our observation change what happens? Answer: Because reality is a process that requires our consciousness.

 

The two-slit experiment is an example of quantum effects, but experiments involving Buckyballs and KHCO3 crystals show that observer-dependent behavior extends into the world of ordinary human-scale objects. In fact, researchers recently showed (Nature 2009) that pairs of ions could be coaxed to entangle so their physical properties remained bound together even when separated by large distances, as if there was no space or time between them. Why? Because space and time aren't hard, cold objects. They're merely tools of our understanding.

 

Death doesn't exist in a timeless, spaceless world. After the death of his old friend, Albert Einstein said "Now Besso has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us...know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." In truth, your mind transcends space and time.

 

Reason Two. Conservation of energy is a fundamental axiom of science. The first law of thermodynamics states that energy can't be created or destroyed. It can only change forms. Although bodies self-destruct, the "me'' feeling is just a 20-watt cloud of energy in your head. But this energy doesn't go away at death. A few years ago scientists showed they could retroactively change something that happened in the past. Particles had to "decide" how to behave when they passed a fork in an apparatus. Later on, the experimenter could flip a switch. The results showed that what the observer decided at that point determined how the particle behaved at the fork in the past.

 

Think of the 20-watts of energy as simply powering a projector. Whether you flip a switch in an experiment on or off, it's still the same battery responsible for the projection. Like in the two-slit experiment, you collapse physical reality. At death, this energy doesn't just dissipate into the environment as the old mechanical worldview suggests. It has no reality independent of you. As Einstein's esteemed colleague John Wheeler stated "No phenomenon is a real phenomenon until it is an observed phenomenon." Each person creates their own sphere of reality - we carry space and time around with us like turtles with shells. Thus, there is no absolute self-existing matrix in which energy just dissipates.

 

Reason Three. Although we generally reject parallel universes as fiction, there's more than a morsel of scientific truth to this genre. A well-known aspect of quantum physics is that observations can't be predicted absolutely. Instead, there's a range of possible observations each with a different probability. One mainstream explanation is the 'many-worlds' interpretation, which states that each of these possible observations corresponds to a different universe (the 'multiverse'). There are an infinite number of universes (including our universe), which together comprise all of physical reality. Everything that can possibly happen occurs in some universe. Death doesn't exist in any real sense in these scenarios. All possible universes exist simultaneously, regardless of what happens in any of them. Like flipping the switch in the experiment above, you're the agent who experiences them.

 

Reason Four. You will live on through your children, friends, and all who you touch during your life, not only as part of them, but through the histories you collapse with every action you take. "According to quantum physics," said theoretical physicists Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow, "the past, like the future, is indefinite and exists only as a spectrum of possibilities." There's more uncertainty in bio-physical systems than anyone ever imagined. Reality isn't fully determined until we actually investigate (like in the Schrödinger's cat experiment). There are whole areas of history you determine during your life. When you interact with someone, you collapse more and more reality (that is, the spatio-temporal events that define your consciousness). When you're gone, your presence will continue like a ghost puppeteer in the universes of those you know.

 

Reason Five. It's not an accident that you happen to have the fortune of being alive now on the top of all infinity. Although it could be a one-in-a-jillion chance, perhaps it's not just dumb luck, but rather must be that way. While you'll eventually exit this reality, you, the observer, will forever continue to collapse more and more 'nows.' Your consciousness will always be in the present -- balanced between the infinite past and the indefinite future -- moving intermittently between realities along the edge of time, having new adventures and meeting new (and rejoining old) friends.

-Robert Lanza M.D

Edited January 24, 2011 by surfingbudda

[Sunya]

Awesome.

[Marblehead]

Well, I accept this:

 

Reason Four. You will live on through your children, friends, and all who you touch during your life, ...

 

Not much else there I could agree with.

 

But really, thanks for sharing.

Edited January 23, 2011 by Marblehead

[strawdog65]

 

 

Consider the uncertainty principle, one of the most famous and important aspects of quantum mechanics.

Why does our observation change what happens?

Answer: Because reality is a process that requires our consciousness.

Death doesn't exist in a timeless, spaceless world. After the death of his old friend, Albert Einstein said "Now Besso has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us...know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."

In truth, your mind transcends space and time.

 

Reason Two. Conservation of energy is a fundamental axiom of science.

 

The first law of thermodynamics states that energy can't be created or destroyed. It can only change forms.

 

Although bodies self-destruct, the "me'' feeling is just a 20-watt cloud of energy in your head. But this energy doesn't go away at death. A few years ago scientists showed they could retroactively change something that happened in the past. Particles had to "decide" how to behave when they passed a fork in an apparatus. Later on, the experimenter could flip a switch. The results showed that what the observer decided at that point determined how the particle behaved at the fork in the past.

 

Think of the 20-watts of energy as simply powering a projector. Whether you flip a switch in an experiment on or off, it's still the same battery responsible for the projection. Like in the two-slit experiment, you collapse physical reality. At death, this energy doesn't just dissipate into the environment as the old mechanical worldview suggests. It has no reality independent of you. As Einstein's esteemed colleague John Wheeler stated "No phenomenon is a real phenomenon until it is an observed phenomenon." Each person creates their own sphere of reality - we carry space and time around with us like turtles with shells. Thus, there is no absolute self-existing matrix in which energy just dissipates.

 

Reason Five. While you'll eventually exit this reality, you, the observer, will forever continue to collapse more and more 'nows.' Your consciousness will always be in the present -- balanced between the infinite past and the indefinite future -- moving intermittently between realities along the edge of time, having new adventures and meeting new (and rejoining old) friends.

-Robert Lanza M.D

 

 

Hi SB!

 

Thank you for posting this!

There is so much to this.... It is what I believe to be most true about existence

and the nature of our perceived reality.

 

WE ARE ~E n e r g y~ at our most basic form.

 

WE are ~E n e r g y~ that has always existed.

 

We have always existed in many different forms.

 

The concept of death is nothing more than a term to explain a

change in form when rationality can not. Our physical bodies will

fail, but the essence of what we are is timeless and without actual

limit. This is the nature of E n e r g y there is no complete dissipation

into nothingness, there is only a change in form. Energy can not be

destroyed. WE are energy, We are timeless, We are without bounds

and shall be so forever.

 

Our influence on the nature of reality can not be overestimated.

At the quantum state we create our reality from moment to

moment by the act of consciousness and perception.

 

Awesome post SB!

Lets discuss this at some length....it is a life changing

idea when you realize that we and everything in this

world we see all around us is based on perception,

consciousness and energy.

 

Peace!

[Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that]

Nice. I've seen all of those points before but never in one article.

 

Good post Surfing Buddha.

[devoid]

Well, I accept this:

 

Reason Four. You will live on through your children, friends, and all who you touch during your life, ...

 

Not much else there I could agree with.

 

But really, thanks for sharing.

 

Hi Marblehead,

 

I think your response is very succinct.

 

I must admit I have disdain for the attempted appropriation to the laws of physics (which I assume are included to make the theory appear scientific sound).

 

Any attempt to argue about life after death or the soul as an entity not requiring the physical body will always be subject to personal experience and belief. Flashing random laws of physics proves absolutely nothing.

[surfingbudda]

 

 

WE ARE ~E n e r g y~ at our most basic form.

 

WE are ~E n e r g y~ that has always existed.

 

We have always existed in many different forms.

 

 

 

Exactly!

[devoid]

Exactly!

 

There's no 'I' in 'energy'

[sifusufi]

Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! (Adventures of a Curious Character)

http://www.amazon.co...r/dp/0393316041

 

Was a life changer for me!

 

Probably more belly laughs than any other book I have checked out!

 

Have a laugh on me!

 

 

 

Further proof!

[johndoe2012]

I think articles like these can help get you moving and question your beliefs.

 

However more work is needed to have experiential knowledge, aka wisdom.

[Everything]

Try and say that you wont die in the face of death... This all sounds over-educated and extremely inexperienced. The concept of death is not something to fear, no. But it is something that you must respect. And fear it you will... I don't believe that one article will take your fear of death away. It is hardwired in your brain to "not die."

[surfingbudda]

It is hardwired in your brain to "not die."

 

Which is why the point is to transcend beyond your body/brain to your "true self" which is an immortal being of pure energy or light. Once you connect with who you really are, then death becomes just another thing part of the cycle and is as normal as birth. death is a beginning, not an end. This is my belief which I believe is shared by many, however do not take my word for it, this is something which must be experienced and not told about. I feel in my heart that this physical body is not truly who I am. Heres a good quote, "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience."

[宁]

I think the article feeds on our hopes and fears, and for that IMO it's junk.

And like any junk, it's bound to create addiction.

 

No, I don't know the truth

[strawdog65]

 

I must admit I have disdain for the attempted appropriation to the laws of physics (which I assume are included to make the theory appear scientific sound).

 

Any attempt to argue about life after death or the soul as an entity not requiring the physical body will always be subject to personal experience and belief. Flashing random laws of physics proves absolutely nothing.

 

 

Hi Devoid!

 

What theory was presented that you feel there was a mis-appropriation of the laws of physics?

 

The bits of physics included are facts as we understand the nature of our reality.

So, what is the theory being presented?

When stating the law of thermodynamics, I do believe it's beyond

you or myself to say it has no application to said topic.

 

I do have a question for you.

When speaking about the energy we are as our most basic form, do you believe

that existence must occupy a physical form to be considered existence?

 

As far as there being a soul, thats another question.

When the first Human is cloned, and there are then two of this same person

alive at the same time, who's soul will occupy the second body?

Maybe when a Human is completely cloned, there will be no life force and

the body will just be an empty physical reproduction? If our individuality is

complete even within the whole of "everything", than there would be no way

for us to "be" in two places at the same time.

I believe this is the biggest obstacle to cloning of human anything, because

it will prove that religions idea of the Human soul is very shortsighted.

 

Another question is since we are not "just" this physical shell, what

is this energy that is the animating force that inhabits this form?

 

And if we do clone a person completely and there is a animating force

within them, is it the same force as is within all of us? And is the personality

that we live with just the consequences of the influences of our lives lived?

 

The subject of what is consciousness/the animating life force is extremely

deep in scope. I'm sure the answers are just as convoluted as the questions.

[strawdog65]

I think the article feeds on our hopes and fears, and for that IMO it's junk.

And like any junk, it's bound to create addiction.

 

No, I don't know the truth

 

I think that anyone who says with certainty

that what they do not understand, is junk,

is a form of them pushing their own junk.

[strawdog65]

Alternative ideas are a better source of inspiration.

 

Critics are a dime a dozen, show me a person with an idea

and I will show you someone who can change the world.

Edited January 23, 2011 by strawdog65

[devoid]

Hi Devoid!

 

What theory was presented that you feel there was a mis-appropriation of the laws of physics?

 

[...]

 

Hi strawdog65,

 

Thanks for this question - I think it is a very important one.

 

I would like to dive straight into the core argument of the article on this point:

"Like a tiny bullet, it logically passes through one or the other hole. But if the scientists do not observe the trajectory of the particle, then it exhibits the behavior of waves that allow it pass through both holes at the same time. Why does our observation change what happens? Answer: Because reality is a process that requires our consciousness."

 

-here I believe the author is alluding to the theory of e.g. photons which once emitted, hold the properties of being a wave as well as a particle. As the author points out in another part of the article, this leads to interesting phenomena and observations: If you manage to split the wave in two, they (the waves) will continue along their split paths it. In other words, the particle will now coexist in two physically distinct places and if you stop one part of the wave, you will stop the other too (even if you try really hard not to!).

 

Now, this is about as far as quantum theory goes, but the author continues in the text quoted above to say that our observation changes when this happens due to reality requiring consciousness. IMHO that is ridiculous. The author just proved to me that he totally misunderstood that what goes on. I believe he misunderstood the fact that when you measure such a "split particle" the funny thing is that you can only measure one of the two - why? because when you measure a photon you stop its path and it ceases to exist as a result thereof. At that particular point in time you will be able to record whether it had a spin or not and if properly spun you could even measure the axis around which it was spun. This has absolute nothing to with the consciousness of the observer according to quantum theory

 

Let's look a bit more at photons: As an example, our sun constantly emits mind bogging numbers of these at any short interval of time - they are emitted (at the speed of light) in all directions. They continue until they hit something. At this particular point in time the law of thermodynamics will explain to you why what they hit will heat up as a result: the photon that we just new and studied has ceased to exist...

 

Please do not hesitate to let me know if you would like some recommendations on books on quantum mechanics or quantum physics.

 

Now as for your other questions: I can't really say I know the answer to them - I have some personal experience that there is more intelligence and life around us than we can understand through science. Now, please let me ask you a question:

 

Why must we try to box in our experiences with science?

[Otis]

One mainstream explanation is the 'many-worlds' interpretation, which states that each of these possible observations corresponds to a different universe (the 'multiverse'). There are an infinite number of universes (including our universe), which together comprise all of physical reality. Everything that can possibly happen occurs in some universe. Death doesn't exist in any real sense in these scenarios. All possible universes exist simultaneously, regardless of what happens in any of them. Like flipping the switch in the experiment above, you're the agent who experiences them.

-Robert Lanza M.D

Quantum Immortality.

[strawdog65]

Hi strawdog65,

 

 

Now as for your other questions: I can't really say I know the answer to them - I have some personal experience that there is more intelligence and life around us than we can understand through science. Now, please let me ask you a question:

 

Why must we try to box in our experiences with science?

 

 

Good question, especially since our understanding of the world and the nature of

perceived reality is so poor. I guess there is no reason to try and box anything in...

just experience it and leave judgement out.

 

Thanks for the very thorough explanation....