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[heaven chi]

Hello All,

 

I have contacted a Buddhist teacher about the following problem but I want to hear expert advice from taobums too or anyone here who knows.

 

I have a little experience in meditation and sometimes have heard voices talking about me and saying something about a black magician they would go too, about how they hated me and cursing me.

 

Especially when I sit to meditate I hear voices coming from a distance who are talking about me and discussing the things I am doing at the moment. I've had attack by some entities and if I manage to overcome it, I sometimes hear a voice saying: "He is winning us".

 

So I suspect I'm under a black magic attack which comes from sb in my neighborhood.

 

I talked to a professional specialising in such matters and he told me many many spells that have been done on me.

 

However he demanded relatively high payment to provide help.

 

So now I want to ask taobums for help, is anybody you know teacher here who has some psychic abilities?

 

I want to know why these people are fighting me and what can I do?

 

Thank you all.

I don't disclose details about my name and location because I want to remain anonymous.

[Birch]

"I want to know why these people are fighting me and what can I do?"

 

Don't listen to them. Unhook and place your attention on things (or ideas) that are more beneficial to you.

 

There are lots of exercises that get you to do this through symbolism. One is the "cord-cutting" trick where you basically visualize a big cutting instrument that slices through all "cords" linking you to "others".

[heaven chi]

"I want to know why these people are fighting me and what can I do?"

 

Don't listen to them. Unhook and place your attention on things (or ideas) that are more beneficial to you.

 

There are lots of exercises that get you to do this through symbolism. One is the "cord-cutting" trick where you basically visualize a big cutting instrument that slices through all "cords" linking you to "others".

 

Especially when I meditate there is this telepathic psychic noise in the background of these voices. With some methods more some methods less. But I'm not psychic otherwise, only a bit sensitive some times.

[Gerard]

I have already replied in the other thread. Chanting the mantra I mentioned to you as well as Ohm Mani Padme Hum will get rid of that noise. In addition hold this Buddhist mudra while practicising sitting meditation:

 

 

It reveals a Buddha nature and develops your crown chakra, area where the entities will be automatically drawn to, creating a brilliant luminosity around your head. Make sure that while you hold the mudra don't visualise anything particular or think of anything and don't recite any mantra. Try to remain in a state of no imagery and no thought.

 

Good luck.

[heaven chi]

I have already replied in the other thread. Chanting the mantra I mentioned to you as well as Ohm Mani Padme Hum will get rid of that noise. In addition hold this Buddhist mudra while practicising sitting meditation:

 

 

It reveals a Buddha nature and develops your crown chakra, area where the entities will be automatically drawn to, creating a brilliant luminosity around your head. Make sure that while you hold the mudra don't visualise anything particular or think of anything and don't recite any mantra. Try to remain in a state of no imagery and no thought.

 

Good luck.

thanks Gerard I will definitely try that mantra om chi lin. If it can rid the psychic noise its awesome. I think a friend would be interested to know too.

[heaven chi]

thanks Gerard I will definitely try that mantra om chi lim. If it can rid the psychic noise its awesome. I think a friend would be interested to know too.

[Thunder_Gooch]

Most people here have no clue what you are talking about and have never experienced anything like you describe, and can't offer you any real advice.

 

 

My advice is if you smoke pot or do any other drugs, choose now between drugs and cultivation and pick one. Trying to do both is extremely unbalancing, and is going to lead to further attacks on you and perhaps even psychosis.

 

If you think you are under attack turn the water in the shower on luke warm so it isn't cold and sit under a stream of water until it gets too cold to bare. For whatever reason atomized water seems to harm these entities.

 

Next stop meditating and eat a large protein meal and go to bed. Something about a heavy protein meal is very grounding.

Edited January 27, 2011 by More_Pie_Guy

[mYTHmAKER]

Hello All,

 

I have contacted a Buddhist teacher about the following problem but I want to hear expert advice from taobums too or anyone here who knows.

 

I have a little experience in meditation and sometimes have heard voices talking about me and saying something about a black magician they would go too, about how they hated me and cursing me.

 

Especially when I sit to meditate I hear voices coming from a distance who are talking about me and discussing the things I am doing at the moment. I've had attack by some entities and if I manage to overcome it, I sometimes hear a voice saying: "He is winning us".

 

So I suspect I'm under a black magic attack which comes from sb in my neighborhood.

 

I talked to a professional specialising in such matters and he told me many many spells that have been done on me.

 

However he demanded relatively high payment to provide help.

 

So now I want to ask taobums for help, is anybody you know teacher here who has some psychic abilities?

 

I want to know why these people are fighting me and what can I do?

 

Thank you all.

I don't disclose details about my name and location because I want to remain anonymous.

 

What did the Buddhist teacher tell you. If you believe in or follow the Buddha ask him for protection. This goes for any deity, guru you follow. You can also visualize a shield of golden white or blue light surrounding you.

[heaven chi]

What did the Buddhist teacher tell you. If you believe in or follow the Buddha ask him for protection. This goes for any deity, guru you follow. You can also visualize a shield of golden white or blue light surrounding you.

 

I am already using buddhist techniques for help but it's not enough. Had I not had help from Buddhism who knows what would have happened to me.

[Birch]

"Especially when I meditate there is this telepathic psychic noise in the background of these voices. With some methods more some methods less. But I'm not psychic otherwise, only a bit sensitive some times."

 

"Especially when I meditate"

 

What kind of meditation are you doing?

IME this kind of thing happens A LOT in meditation - of course it depends what kind you're doing but I reckon most people don't know what kind they're doing until they've done it for a while and done different stuff to counter the effects of the first thing they tried doing

 

IME meditation of pretty much any kind will make you more "sensitive" because that's the point of doing it. Assuming phenomenae are or are not "supernatural" (which IMO is highly dependent on what your baseline "natural" is in the first place ) can turn out to be a guessing game - which is why the teachers rant on and on about "not paying attention to the scenery".

 

My take (which is so far not very "supernatural") is that when you're "running" concentrated energy (otherwise known as "attention") through your system, you might end up hooking up neural pathways (and indeed brain parts) that otherwise would stay relatively unhooked during "normal" attention. So things like "hearing" and "seeing" could get momentarily fused (when in practice, it's just the attention fusing...but I digress).

 

So I'd be careful with immediately attributing phenomenae to "supernatural".

 

Also agree that meditation and other neuro-active things don't necessarily make a good fit.

[Gerard]

Most people here have no clue what you are talking about and have never experienced anything like you describe, and can't offer you any real advice...

 

I can see that your reply has been directed at me therefore I need to reply especially when we have a new frum member seeking for help. Well, first and foremost I live a semi-monastic life and have experienced and seen directly such attacks in the past as well as implemented methods to get rid of them; hence have a very good understanding about this aspect of the spiritual reality and its workings.

 

To the OP, trust me, you have been provided with enough information to protect yourself against such attacks; and the best method as you probably gathered is internal cultivation.

 

Blessings,

 

[Thunder_Gooch]

Gerad,

 

It was not directed at you. More at the community at large. Most people here are just dabblers and weekend meditation warriors. My point was this place isn't really the place to be asking for help for issues such as this, as not many could help even if they wanted to.

 

 

 

I can see that your reply has been directed at me therefore I need to reply especially when we have a new frum member seeking for help. Well, first and foremost I live a semi-monastic life and have experienced and seen directly such attacks in the past as well as implemented methods to get rid of them; hence have a very good understanding about this aspect of the spiritual reality and its workings.

 

To the OP, trust me, you have been provided with enough information to protect yourself against such attacks; and the best method as you probably gathered is internal cultivation.

 

Blessings,

 

[Gerard]

Gerad,

 

It was not directed at you. More at the community at large. Most people here are just dabblers and weekend meditation warriors. My point was this place isn't really the place to be asking for help for issues such as this, as not many could help even if they wanted to.

 

Hi there,

 

Mr X, I use a name, Gerard (not that it really matters), so let me call you that instead of a petty Internet nick...well, everyone in this forum should deserve the same respect whether they an accomplished 250-year-old breatharian Daoist wandering hermit living in the mountains of China, an arahant resident of a secluded monastery in northern Burma or young shy Jennifer who struggles with a simple cross-legged meditation of 20 mins because she happens to live in a rough neighbourhood in LA and is a recovering drug addict. Every human on earth is suffering immensely because that's the nature of existence, unfortunately most don't even know anything about the larger picture. They think happiness comes in the form of material possesions and the love of their relatives, when the truth is that all of these things are only impermanent and ultimately a mental construct.

 

The point is that visiting this website is quite an accomplishment as the user is already awakened so to speak and any help they request should be provided as long as it is not harmful or has an evil intent; and don't worry there will be someone with hands-on experience who's capable of providing the correct advice.

 

Anyway, I wish you the best in your spiritual path.

 

Ohm shanti shanti shanti

 

[heaven chi]

Dear Kate,

 

I started hearing voices in my second year of cultivation meditation when I had been practcing vipassana for 3 months and pranayama also. Whenever I meditated in vipassana I could hear entities talking.

 

Now it occurs much more easily but not with all sorts of meditation. With zen meditation I got clear sound.

With continuous kumbhaka pranayama I got also hearing. With transcedental meditation I also got clear sound.

 

I don't think it is bad effect. But one must not focus on it too much. I never pay attention to the things I hear, because usually they are not important and I usually forget them even if I take notice of them. Because if I focused on them I would no longer be meditating. But it is possible to hear and understand the meaning while meditating.

[Birch]

Yeah, I'd just let all that stuff pass by.

 

However, and it is a big however, IMO and IME "meditation" is not a replacement for psychotherapy (and nowadays a LOT include bodywork as well) and some people have found doing both extremely helpful. In fact, i also read on here that there is bodywork associated with buddhist insight meditation, just seems to me that it's not so widely combined by teachers.

 

I personally don't think "mind"-only should be so hardcore, is it because of some "religious" idea that one has to suffer? I wonder, but that's just IMO.

 

Gerard is correct in his statement of the ultimate of all these things but the path to getting to that understanding for oneself is not necessarily an easy one and certain adjunct practices can help a great deal.

 

For a westerner (are you?), I wouldn't jump on ANY "supernatural" bandwagons until you're "comfortable" with that stuff. It's just IMO and IME not in our current mindset and can probably causes more harm than good at such a critical stage.

 

My 2cts.

 

And, the usual, if you have a teacher. Ask them. They're supposed to know the nuts and bolts of whatever they're teaching.

[heaven chi]

The teacher to whom I am most grateful accepts it is black magic and seems to know about what exactly it is, but he doesn't tell me details nor why those attackers are doing it to me. He says I should find out myself. Also he doesn't tell me details. He seems relaxed about it. He tells me sometimes phenomena may happen but I should continue my practice. He has helped me very much with one issue, like nobody else but he hasn't solved all problems yet.

However he has a solution in mind and he needs to meet me to help me more.

 

However he told me that in one of my past lives I used black magic to harm people. He says it doesn't matter the karma can be worked out.

 

I don't know if this teacher will finally succeed and was searching for more help for the case he won't be enough help.

 

And have in mind that he doesn't live in my country so he can't help me as much as he wanted.

 

I'm a westerner, but won't disclose more info.

[Birch]

I'd get a western teacher.

 

Whether or not a person "accepts" an explanation about phenomenae is IMO (and some experience) highly dependent on their cultural origin. But giving that explanation to others "across cultures" isn't IMO necessarily helpful.

 

Of course you'll find out for yourself through practice, but I reckon Hundun or some other teachers here would be a better bet at this stage.

[三江源]

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Edited March 24, 2015 by 三江源

[heaven chi]

I know someone who had black magic from past lives removed by a very high level guru.It can be done, the karma can be cleared.

 

If in this case it was you initiating the black magic then you have an issue here of needing to offer remorse and intent to rescind past actions. Sounds as though your teacher has a plan. You wont know if he can finally succeed untill he has finished his work. Is there a reason you distrust that he will succeed, or you are simply very anxious and nervously asking for more more more help...

you can help your karma work out by cleansing yourself and your environment and doing as .broken. suggests. Work on cleansing and clearing and practice Ho' oponopono every day.

 

My teacher has let me understand that he knows the situation but didn't tell me details. Perhaps I'll ask him again. I just can't believe that he really knows everything, why doesn't he tell me then?

 

However he has achieved something with a problem I had with which nothing else could help me, so maybe he knows...

 

But I'd like Hundun to tell me what he thinks is the situation. I sent him pm with details of many of my experiences. Let's hope he has some psychic abilities to know.

 

I don't practice hoponopono just have heard of it.

Edited January 28, 2011 by heaven chi

[三江源]

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Edited March 24, 2015 by 三江源

[Birch]

there is no benefit in you knowing details, it is just one more thing for your mind to latch onto and could be used by you to generate more fear and attachment.

 

Cat. I'm not sure I entirely agree with this. Why are you saying it exactly?

My perspective is that people "today" are much better equipped to handle "details" than a "traditional" teacher might think. But I guess I'm also coming from my very specific perspective which is to empower people rather than not.

[Vajrahridaya]

[heaven chi]

[Gerard]

Heaven Chi,

 

I didn't realise until now, because sometimes I get carried away trying to help without enquiring about the causes that produced the effect (negative in our case) first. I am not asking you to provide details about what you did to provoke the attack of negative entities, but to let you know that you should refrain to get involved in those specific practices from this point in time...because I am quite certain that you must have done something belonging to the realm of the dark side; obviously you probably know the meaning of the law of attraction.

 

Good luck.