I need nelp with a triangulation

[manitou]

If there are any triangulators or Seers on this board that subscribe to this concept, please give this some thought..

 

My husband Joe was shown to have an aggressive looking spot on his upper right lung.

 

He was referred by the family doc to a specialist. The specialist said something like 'it's so obvious what it is, I don't think the surgeon will even biopsy it. I think he'll just remove the upper third of his right lung. In fact, sometimes biopsies are dangerous because cells will escape into other areas.'

 

That specialist sent us to the surgeon. He decided to biopsy it, said he wouldn't do it any other way. We don't have the results yet. The biopsy doc said to be particularly mindful of how his lung felt, as it could 'spring a leak' from the small puncture wound and to just keep an eye on it.

 

Okay. End of that story.

 

New story: At the same time this is going on (please think triangulation from the inside to the outside, if you know what I mean), we sprung a leak in the basement.

 

Turns out the leak was from another pressurized pipe shooting a tiny stream of water from about 3' away, and everyone missed it. Handyman #1 missed it, Handyman #2 missed it, I missed it, Joe missed it. But the underside wood on the flooring was soaked, and it truly did look like the water was somehow coming through the wood from up above. We were truly on the horns of an enema.

 

Joe figured the only thing to do was to rip out the shower enclosure directly above it. Which he did. It's now sitting in all its white fiberglass glory in the back yard in about ten torn pieces. Needless to say, the underside of the shower enclosure was bone dry, and now the big expensive contractor that found that leak will be fixing the whole thing. (Alright guys, have your little chuckle... )

 

But here's the point.

 

THE ENCLOSURE WAS REMOVED NEEDLESSLY. Does anyone else see a triangulation here? And if so, can you help me see the third element? I'm too close, I can't see it. But the similarities certainly align between the removal of the lung and the removal of the shower enclosure.

Edited April 24, 2011 by manitou

[ralis]

If there are any triangulators or Seers on this board that subscribe to this concept, please give this some thought..

 

My husband Joe was shown to have an aggressive looking spot on his upper right lung.

 

He was referred by the family doc to a specialist. The specialist said something like 'it's so obvious what it is, I don't think the surgeon will even biopsy it. I think he'll just remove the upper third of his right lung. In fact, sometimes biopsies are dangerous because cells will escape into other areas.'

 

That specialist sent us to the surgeon. He decided to biopsy it, said he wouldn't do it any other way. We don't have the results yet. The biopsy doc said to be particularly mindful of how his lung felt, as it could 'spring a leak' from the small puncture wound and to just keep an eye on it.

 

Okay. End of that story.

 

New story: At the same time this is going on (please think triangulation from the inside to the outside, if you know what I mean), we sprung a leak in the basement.

 

Turns out the leak was from another pressurized pipe shooting a tiny stream of water from about 3' away, and everyone missed it. Handyman #1 missed it, Handyman #2 missed it, I missed it, Joe missed it. But the underside wood on the flooring was soaked, and it truly did look like the water was somehow coming through the wood from up above. We were truly on the horns of an enema.

 

Joe figured the only thing to do was to rip out the shower enclosure directly above it. Which he did. It's now sitting in all its white fiberglass glory in the back yard in about ten torn pieces. Needless to say, the underside of the shower enclosure was bone dry, and now the big expensive contractor that found that leak will be fixing the whole thing. (Alright guys, have your little chuckle... )

 

But here's the point.

 

THE ENCLOSURE WAS REMOVED NEEDLESSLY. Does anyone else see a triangulation here? And if so, can you help me see the third element? I'm too close, I can't see it. But the similarities certainly align between the removal of the lung and the removal of the shower enclosure.

 

 

I am sorry to hear about Joe's health condition. I hope you are able to find excellent care for him. However, trying to correlate these other issues with Joe's condition is missing the point. There is no relationship whatsoever with the plumbing problems. Just focus on helping him get well with no distraction.

[Otis]

I don't know anything about triangulation, Manitou, but I wish you and Joe the best. I hope you are indeed right, that nothing needs to be removed.

[Apech]

I don't think you can draw any conclusion between the shower and the surgery ... as in don't have the surgery because of the shower ... but it is true (IMO) that there is resonance or connectivity between things that happen to us.

 

Assuming things is a bad idea. As in - it's wet under the shower therefore the shower is leaking. Its always more interesting/enlightening to find out what is actually happening rather than assuming. The way is a real way and not an abstract way.

 

If you want to see the third connection look inside at how you are feeling.

[ejr1069]

I'm not a seer nor do I subscribe to the "things happen in 3's theory". But after reading your story, it appears that you are still waiting on the result of the biopsy, correct? Just pray that the biopsy result is not the 3rd thing you are looking for.

 

In the interim, I would put your husband on a vegetarian diet as a precautionary measure. Go to your library and pick up a copy of a book entitled "The China Study".

[manitou]

I don't think you can draw any conclusion between the shower and the surgery ... as in don't have the surgery because of the shower ... but it is true (IMO) that there is resonance or connectivity between things that happen to us.

 

Assuming things is a bad idea. As in - it's wet under the shower therefore the shower is leaking. Its always more interesting/enlightening to find out what is actually happening rather than assuming. The way is a real way and not an abstract way.

 

If you want to see the third connection look inside at how you are feeling.

 

 

It's the third connection I'm unable to see because of proximity. Yes, I do think we manifest and can get clues from what is happening on the outside. I didn't see the connection when the leak started, wherever it was. I made the connection after he removed the shower enclosure, after I woke up the next morning.

[Eric23]

First I wish the best for your husband and you.

 

Secondly, a quote from the writer M Ventura My link

"Remember the Sufi tale that admonishes against looking for cause and effect in the same story. Cause and effect aren't linear."

[joeblast]

hah, ask zerostao about his shower! nope, those "coincidences" dont exist

 

it could be pointing to a more fundamental cause...

[manitou]

First I wish the best for your husband and you.

 

Secondly, a quote from the writer M Ventura My link

"Remember the Sufi tale that admonishes against looking for cause and effect in the same story. Cause and effect aren't linear."

 

 

Interesting reply. I appreciate the depth of your understanding, and I understand what you are saying.

 

My vision differs from cause and effect, in that in unusual situations like this, often the outward is a direct manifestation of the inward. It's not a cause and effect situation, it's a Just Is situation. To look at the situation which Joe is manifesting physically around him (the bathroom situation) it is apparent that it is the very same dynamic, in some ways, as the internal problems.

 

In looking for someone to help me triangulate this, I need to find someone that subscribes to this shamanic sort of vision and can back way up and look at it with a very long lens, at the same time having one leg of the tripod extending down through their own knowledge of what their Truth is. Because I am standing directly next to Joe, I can't be the third leg. But there may be decisions coming up in which this type of vision may be helpful. I would love to find someone to be my mirror on this.

 

If anybody reading this understands what the heck I'm talking about, I'll look forward to hearing from you, lol.

[gendao]

^ I know exactly what you are talking about. I think you made a brilliant connection there. The easy shower misdiagnosis could possibly reflect a medical misdiagnosis, as well.

 

I am no psychic, but when considering this possibility I got a flash of a thought that the real problem might actually be in the brain? Again, just a random potshot there..but just thought I'd throw it out there.

 

However, it definitely wouldn't hurt to keep your mind open to alternate possiblities or seek professional medical intuitives - in addition to the more conventional route you're already taking. No harm in that, and may even be a good idea.

Edited April 25, 2011 by vortex

[manitou]

^ I know exactly what you are talking about. I think you made a brilliant connection there. The easy shower misdiagosis could possibly reflect a medical misdiagnosis, as well.

 

I am no psychic, but when considering this possibility I got a flash of a thought that the real problem might actually be in the brain? Again, just a random potshot there..but just thought I'd throw it out there.

 

However, it definitely wouldn't hurt to keep your mind open to alternate possiblities or seek professional medical intuitives - in addition to the more conventional route you're already taking. No harm in that, and may even be a good idea.

 

Vortex, thank you! I have a PM in to ZeroStat too, regarding what JoeBlast said earlier.

 

I'm going to get even odder on you. This preliminary diagnosis took place about a week after Joe did a cancer healing ceremony, and he actually asked Spirit to take the cancer from our friend Mo and give it to him. If it turns out he actually did it, I'm really gonna be pissed.....

[三江源]

Yes, I get it manitou.

 

The thing is with such "parallel process" recognitions is the temptation to read them too literally.

 

You could be spot on with your first thought as to it's significance.

 

Or it could be that you dont know the source of what has happened to Joe,(ie. maybe you think it is smoking related) you dont actually know why he has that lung cancer ( assuming for the purpose of this thought thread that it is that) and that you need to find where from the leak/illness/weakness in the system is coming..

 

ie ( for example ) unresolved grief. ( because it is a lung issue... in taoism we say the lungs store grief and sadness)

 

otherwise the grief may spring a leak in other symptoms. The enclosure may be the lung ( which shows the problem ) and the source of the problem is elsewhere, ie in something undermining his system that is elsewhere. Looking at it in this way, the fact it is in a water system suggests it is emotion based.

 

I obviously have no idea if this is at all resonant to you.. but it's just a different angle on it fwiw.

 

Good Luck Manitou and Joe.

[三江源]

Vortex, thank you! I have a PM in to ZeroStat too, regarding what JoeBlast said earlier.

 

I'm going to get even odder on you. This preliminary diagnosis took place about a week after Joe did a cancer healing ceremony, and he actually asked Spirit to take the cancer from our friend Mo and give it to him. If it turns out he actually did it, I'm really gonna be pissed.....

 

Get a good healer in quick!

[gendao]

Vortex, thank you! I have a PM in to ZeroStat too, regarding what JoeBlast said earlier.

 

I'm going to get even odder on you. This preliminary diagnosis took place about a week after Joe did a cancer healing ceremony, and he actually asked Spirit to take the cancer from our friend Mo and give it to him. If it turns out he actually did it, I'm really gonna be pissed.....

Wow, sheeesshh...careful what you ask for!

 

Anyhow, I suppose his soul must have had a reason for doing that?

 

But all goes to show how life is all just a big VR video game played by our souls or superconscious. Which is why there is often purposeful method behind the "random" madness. And really anything is possible, more or less.

 

So if you totally ignore the meanings and messages behind events - you could totally be missing their whole points. This is what I call the "Law of Attention." Where events get orchestrated in our lives specifically to grab our conscious attention (sort of the Law of Attraction backwards). The point of which is to get us to focus upon karmic issues of ours that need resolution.

[manitou]

o if you totally ignore the meanings and messages behind events - you could totally be missing their whole points. This is what I call the "Law of Attention." Where events get orchestrated in our lives specifically to grab our conscious attention (sort of the Law of Attraction backwards). The point of which is to get us to focus upon karmic issues of ours that need resolution.

 

 

I SO agree with this. Total awareness is to have all pistons firing, awareness of all incoming stimulus.

 

I also really agree with what Cat said about WHY Joe may be manifesting a cancer, if indeed he is. This is where the triangulation would come in, if needed. If it turns out to be cancerous, that would be the next step. It would be very difficult in Joe's case because of his shamanic proximity to death anyway, he rather embraces it. But there could well be an inner dynamic that is giving the cells the message to furl inward, to self destruct. It is that dynamic that I would try to find and imprint to the opposite direction. Usually the stimulus for a cancer presentation, I've found, is longstanding guilt or shame.

[三江源]

Have heard, manitou, as a refinement of the 'guilt or shame' thing, that cancer comes about when there is prolonged waivering/indecision and the cells waiver and over- produce in a stagnant way. So any prolonged source of indecision or deep ambivalence can result in cancerous congealment.

 

Just a little more for the pot of considerations.

 

[Taomeow]

Dear Manitou,

 

first of all, I wish your husband and you to get out of this in health and safety.

 

As for your triangulation points, to a classically trained taoist, this is a very standard ganying (resonance) situation with feng shui overtones.

 

Trouble with water in the house affects/is affected by/resonates with Kidneys (not just the organ but the Water qi phase and the whole organ-system-function thereof) and can overwork the Lungs (because Lungs/Metal are Kidneys/Water's Mother phase -- Metal generates Water -- Mother taking care of a troubled Child can get into more trouble than the Child, hence Water/Kidneys trouble can manifest as Metal/Lungs trouble. A rather widespread TCM situation, this.) The fact that your husband did the ritual the way he did it is, again, symptomatic of Mother energy working too hard -- again it's his Kidneys/Water and water in your house going all wrong that are the original/simultaneous/ganying-resonating troubled spot. Fix that plumbing problem asap.

I did a very quick and dirty I Ching reading for your husband (can't do a serious one right now, I've just moved to a new place and am swamped with boxes in need of being unpacked and all the rest of it) and got Chapter 59 -- Dissolution. Don't even have the time to analyze it, but looks promising. Check it out.

 

Much love to both of you.

[manitou]

Dear Manitou,

 

first of all, I wish your husband and you to get out of this in health and safety.

 

As for your triangulation points, to a classically trained taoist, this is a very standard ganying (resonance) situation with feng shui overtones.

 

Trouble with water in the house affects/is affected by/resonates with Kidneys (not just the organ but the Water qi phase and the whole organ-system-function thereof) and can overwork the Lungs (because Lungs/Metal are Kidneys/Water's Mother phase -- Metal generates Water -- Mother taking care of a troubled Child can get into more trouble than the Child, hence Water/Kidneys trouble can manifest as Metal/Lungs trouble. A rather widespread TCM situation, this.) The fact that your husband did the ritual the way he did it is, again, symptomatic of Mother energy working too hard -- again it's his Kidneys/Water and water in your house going all wrong that are the original/simultaneous/ganying-resonating troubled spot. Fix that plumbing problem asap.

I did a very quick and dirty I Ching reading for your husband (can't do a serious one right now, I've just moved to a new place and am swamped with boxes in need of being unpacked and all the rest of it) and got Chapter 59 -- Dissolution. Don't even have the time to analyze it, but looks promising. Check it out.

 

Much love to both of you.

 

I am very moved, Taomeow. Thank you so very much for tending to that, with as much as you have in chaos right now. I do not know anything of the I Ching, sorry to say. It's not been my path. But I will google chapter 59, Dissolution, to see if I can substitute the language to my understanding.

 

Yes, the plumber is coming in the morning. And we find out the test results in the morning, if they'll tell us on the phone.

 

I've never had anyone do a quick and dirty reading for me before. Thanks again, darling.

[manitou]

I am absolutely humbled to be able to tell you that Joe's tests came back, the biopsy and the petscan, and both are cancer-free.

 

Synchronicity rules. Had the advice of the first specialist been followed, there would have been no biopsy and he would have gone straight for the lung removal. I hardly know what to say.

 

Joe, on the other hand, whenever I express concern about him not wearing a mask and all the sawdust, will mumble something like 'it's not a shaman disease' and go back to what he was doing down in his woodshop. He has a way of refusing to acknowledge something like a health concern; I used to see it as denial. I think I'm beginning to see it as strength.

 

When things like this happen to other people, and I've seen it a few times, when things align just right and you can see just how it works, it's fantastic. But when it happens right on your own doorstep, it's so awesome it's unspeakable. Just like the Dao.

 

Thank you, thank you everyone for your kindnesses.

 

P.S. Taomeow - the plumber got here at 8AM this morning and fixed the leak, even before we went to the doc. Thank you for putting my mind at ease, and I hope your move goes like clockwork.

Edited April 25, 2011 by manitou

[Apech]

Fantastic news - very happy for you both.

[Aaron]

Hello manitou,

 

I'm very glad to hear Joe's doing fine. In regards to triangulation, sychronicity, etc. I would say that oftentimes, for me, synchronicity is a normal occurrence, it is only when I become more aware of the similarities that I start to pay attention to them. Best of health and love to you both.

 

Aaron

[joeblast]

[Adishakti]

I remember a friend telling me this and I think I also read it somewhere. Any house where emotions are all over the place face water leakage, and houses where emotions are not expressed you can notice clogged pipes and stuff. True stuff this.

[Otis]

Manitou, I'm so glad to hear that Joe does not have cancer! Best to both of you!

[manitou]

True stuff this.

 

Amen.