Ruthless Truth

[Marblehead]

If you cannot overcome the idea of an observer...

 

Then you might look into how sound never was separate from consciousness. Consciousness arises as sound.

 

At this point, the observer and the observed are seen to be inseparable and subject-object dichotomy collapes into one Naked Awareness.

 

This is the realization of One Mind.

 

After even that Awareness is forgotten and there is just scenery, sound, sight, that is No Mind (abbot slaps... etc)

 

But No Mind experience is not the same as insight into Anatta.

 

The insight that hearing occurs, no hearer.

 

I don't buy it. Hehehe. If the hearer wasn't there there would have been no sound, only vibration. The two are separate but yes, the result (sound) is dependant on both. Takes two to tango.

 

The sentence I bolded is close to the Taoist concept of 'wu wei'. When in the pure state of 'wu' there is no observer, only the observed - total awareness. (But this awarenees is still attained by the non-existant observer.)

[goldisheavy]

If in hearing there is only sound, in seeing only seen, any notions of a self, seer, is an illusion.

 

Is this true? If yes, can you prove it? Wouldn't you first have to have a notion of "I" that you later try to dismiss? Please don't screw with the language here, but answer my question in a straightforward manner. In other words, don't ask me "who is asking the question" and don't deny the usage of "you" and other such parts of speech, but instead try to delve into the heart of the matter in an honest way.

 

Personally, I think your "realization" is both extremist and dishonest, not to mention incomplete. I'm going to challenge you. You do exist. You just have no idea who you are. When you negate yourself you are negating an illusion you made up, a straw man, rather than yourself. Now, it's true that people often confuse themselves with their own illusions of themselves. At the same time, saying you simply don't exist is an extremist and nihilist way of thinking and it's wrong.

Edited May 18, 2011 by goldisheavy

[Lucky7Strikes]

I want to emphasize in this discussion that the realization of non-duality, no-self and anatta, emptiness, etc. is absolutely not intellectual. It must be meditated upon, which I see no one here arguing against Xabir doing. As Seth has pointed out, it's just the egoic tendencies defending its paltry existence.

 

Sit down and open yourself to the idea that there is just this: sensation, sound, thought. Your body and mind will begin to open up to the universe as it flows through the veins. And a totally new vision of life will arise, so simple and completely beyond abstract theories or philosophies. And the realization will dawn slowly but definitively.

 

Psychological and physical changes will begin to occur naturally. Remember that Buddhism is about removing suffering. It is also about bliss consciousness luminosity manifesting and the wisdom to understand those experiences in context.

 

But it's so simple, open yourself to the sounds and sights with no barriers and realize that it is all there is moment to moment.

 

The universe manifesting itself in myriad forms of awareness.

Edited May 18, 2011 by Lucky7Strikes

[Informer]

True. If viewed from that perspective then I agree, there is no (permanent) Self.

 

But we all know (or at least should know) that nothing lasts forever. Everything changes. There was a time (I am assuming here) when nothing existed. That was the point of singularity. Don't know how long singularity lasted because there wasn't even space/time when there was singularity.

 

I know that this is counter to Buddhist understandings but it is "my" understanding.

 

As you can see, and should be obvious to everyone, xabir only has one mode. It is now impossible for him to switch perspective. He is the epitome of brainwashed.

[Simple_Jack]

.

Edited February 5, 2014 by Simple_Jack

[Lucky7Strikes]

As you can see, and should be obvious to everyone, xabir only has one mode. It is now impossible for him to switch perspective. He is the epitome of brainwashed.

Are you happy with what you practice? Does it bring you a sense of freedom, love, and clarity day to day?

[Informer]

"As Seth has pointed out, it's just the egoic tendencies defending its paltry existence"

 

Oh the irony, please look at the site and tell me how much ego you truly see.

 

If one is truly one with nothing, of course.

 

Self =/= ego, Ego is false sense of self, that is kiddy school.

[Informer]

I do not have a "practice".

 

There is an ability to experience all these aspects at will and upon command.

 

Love cannot exist in nothing.

[Lucky7Strikes]

"As Seth has pointed out, it's just the egoic tendencies defending its paltry existence"

 

Oh the irony, please look at the site and tell me how much ego you truly see.

 

If one is truly one with nothing, of course.

 

Self =/= ego, Ego is false sense of self, that is kiddy school.

You seem to see thing too abstractly in terms of nothing and everything because of certain meditative experiences. Categorizing them into dualities of Yin and Yang.

 

Sit down and try to meditate and be open to what Xabir has been saying before intellectually judging them or weighing their validity. Think of it as instructions for a new meditation.

[Lucky7Strikes]

I do not have a "practice".

 

There is an ability to experience all these aspects at will and upon command.

 

Love cannot exist in nothing.

What do you mean experience all these aspects?

 

Just be open to new ways.

 

_/\_.

Edited May 18, 2011 by Lucky7Strikes

[Informer]

Yin and Yang is no duality, Yin or Yang is duality. I have already explained that.

[Informer]

Just be open to new ways.

 

I have experienced the ruthless truth way 1st hand, and "I KNOW" it is not totality.

 

How many others can say that?

[Lucky7Strikes]

Just be open to new ways.

 

I have experienced the ruthless truth way 1st hand, and "I KNOW" it is not totality.

 

How many others can say that?

I have had success with teachings of Thusness and his interpretations of Buddhist practice, which is what Xabir represents. And its in line with much of Buddhist teachings anyway.

 

And it's effective. Certain experiences I have gone through with these realizations have been very powerful as it releases a lot of the psychic toxins and attachments quickly. Also, No-self realization is only an aspect within the stages of insight. Xabir mentioned the realization of "Spirit" or "I AMness" to you a few times which I think you hold valuable. The experience of Being or pure consciousness is very necessary in order for the "No-Self" realization to not drift into nihilistic tendencies or excuses.

Edited May 18, 2011 by Lucky7Strikes

[Informer]

I doubt any of them retain an ability to switch perspectives, as nothing is all encompassing, and permanent for them, if you want that, it is your choice. I Just ask that you beware, and leave yourself a way back to reality. It does not bring joy, or bliss, love or caring. It simply creates an inability for "anything" to stick. Numb and hallowed.

 

If the spirit is not already awakened inside of you, it will be easy to fall into the void, as you have no reference of your true self to begin with. You have no way to know, that you cannot be seen or measured. By assuming that because "you can't see it, so it must not be there" is ignorant, even a non-spiritual person can tell you that.

[Informer]

I have had success with teachings of Thusness and his interpretations of Buddhist practice, which is what Xabir represents. And its in line with much of Buddhist teachings anyway.

 

And it's effective. Certain experiences I have gone through with these realizations have been very powerful as it releases a lot of the psychic toxins and attachments quickly. Also, No-self realization is only an aspect within the stages of insight. Xabir mentioned the realization of "Spirit" or "I AMness" to you a few times which I think you hold valuable. The experience of Being or pure consciousness is very necessary in order for the "No-Self" realization to not drift into nihilistic tendencies or excuses.

 

Sorry you are wrong, it is not buddha's teaching. This has already been shown.

 

Please show me where buddha has ever said or led one to believe that no-self is totality and the ultimate truth. Then I will show you how you misinterpreted it.

[Marblehead]

As you can see, and should be obvious to everyone, xabir only has one mode. It is now impossible for him to switch perspective. He is the epitome of brainwashed.

 

Ouch!! Hehehe. Lighten up on him. I almost have him converting to Religious Taoism with Buddhism as the religious aspect of his Taoist beliefs.

[Marblehead]

Yes, I understand this. I was asking Seth Ananda whether HE accepted this....

 

I feel slighted that you haven't asked me.

 

[Lucky7Strikes]

I doubt any of them retain an ability to switch perspectives, as nothing is all encompassing, and permanent for them, if you want that, it is your choice. I Just ask that you beware, and leave yourself a way back to reality. It does not bring joy, or bliss, love or caring. It simply creates an inability for "anything" to stick. Numb and hallowed.

 

If the spirit is not already awakened inside of you, it will be easy to fall into the void, as you have no reference of your true self to begin with. You have no way to know, that you cannot be seen or measured. By assuming that because "you can't see it, so it must not be there" is ignorant, even a non-spiritual person can tell you that.

It does bring bliss, joy, love and caring. It really does! The opening up to the universe is an incredible sense of harmony with all there is. That you are its manifestation, and the compassion that arises from that realization is absolutely palpable.

 

The awakening of the spirit, of clear luminous "Beingness" is not denied in Buddhist teaching or Xabir or Thusness's paradigm. The ultimatum of Tibetan Buddhist understanding is the unity of Emptiness and Luminosity, seeing that this clarity of being is inseparable from what arises now and to the next moment and so on. What the No-Self teachings does is to prevent that experience of presence, or Being to be reified into a godly state or a samadhi state or a period of time, or anything for that matter.

 

Xabir is not speaking in intellectual terms. He is speaking of direct realization. You can only begin to see the difference in meditation and deep contemplation on what it is to be alive.

[Informer]

I know how some may find my words offensive, although that is your own personal issue, as one with nothing is unable to be offended, even if they wanted to. There is simply nothing for an insult to stick to.

[Lucky7Strikes]

Sorry you are wrong, it is not buddha's teaching. This has already been shown.

 

Please show me where buddha has ever said or led one to believe that no-self is totality and the ultimate truth. Then I will show you how you misinterpreted it.

Ok, so then let's say the Buddha didn't say it (although Xabir is the only one providing lengthy quotes on this thread and the three marks of existence are Anatta, Annica, and Dukkha).

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_marks_of_existence

 

It shouldn't matter.

Edited May 18, 2011 by Lucky7Strikes

[Lucky7Strikes]

I know how some may find my words offensive, although that is your own personal issue, as one with nothing is unable to be offended, even if they wanted to. There is simply nothing for an insult to stick to.

.

Edited May 18, 2011 by Lucky7Strikes

[Informer]

It does bring bliss, joy, love and caring. It really does! The opening up to the universe is an incredible sense of harmony with all there is. That you are its manifestation, and the compassion that arises from that realization is absolutely palpable.

 

The awakening of the spirit, of clear luminous "Beingness" is not denied in Buddhist teaching or Xabir or Thusness's paradigm. The ultimatum of Tibetan Buddhist understanding is the unity of Emptiness and Luminosity, seeing that this clarity of being is inseparable from what arises now and to the next moment and so on. What the No-Self teachings does is to prevent that experience of presence, or Being to be reified into a godly state or a samadhi state or a period of time, or anything for that matter.

 

Xabir is not speaking in intellectual terms. He is speaking of direct realization. You can only begin to see the difference in meditation and deep contemplation on what it is to be alive.

 

"The ultimatum of Tibetan Buddhist understanding is the unity of Emptiness and Luminosity, seeing that this clarity of being is inseparable from what arises now and to the next moment and so on."

 

 

Please share your qualifications and understandings, as well as study's and legitimate teachers you have had in this regards.

 

Again, please tell me where buddha said that no-self is the ultimate and all encompassing truth.

[Simple_Jack]

.

Edited February 5, 2014 by Simple_Jack

[Informer]

I don't think your practice has matured into joy, bliss, clarity, and all the fruitions of correct insight and realization. No matter how much you babble about your beliefs, the experiential realizations and maturity is absent.

 

Experiential realizations of my true self, which I am more than aware of?

 

By your token, how could one reincarnate? There exist nothing to reincarnate.

[Informer]

"From the stillness of yin, yang is born."

 

Yes, through the stillness you can begin to percieve your yang.

 

Not through the absoluteness.