Indonesian Qigong Masters are more powerful than the Chinese

[kho]

I believe jalus, rainbow body and light body are one and the same.

 

Yes, one needs to be really stubborn about accomplishing jalus but no, it is quite impossible to accomplish jalus while in a state of complete ignorance.

 

Complete ignorance comes about as a result of fools ignoring the impermanence of this world. You can have siddhis while still remaining ignorant completely.

 

I know of many people possessing the siddhis of remote viewing and they can see the woman or man whom they are dating growing old in the future, defecating in the toilet, digging their nose, scratching their balls/breasts and yet they stubbornly refuse to fall out of the mara of lust and procreation. This would be what I call complete ignorance regardless of how many psychic powers you have.

 

In the entire Indonesia(300 million people) and Youtube community there is only one demonstration that is convincing.

 

John Chang = Chinese Nei Kung. Not Tenaga Dalam.

 

Why ?

 

Because TD is beginner kungfu.

[goldisheavy]

I believe jalus, rainbow body and light body are one and the same.

 

Yes, one needs to be really stubborn about accomplishing jalus but no, it is quite impossible to accomplish jalus while in a state of complete ignorance.

 

Complete ignorance comes about as a result of fools ignoring the impermanence of this world. You can have siddhis while still remaining ignorant completely.

 

Ignorance can never become complete because if that were the case, there'd be no door left to open for wisdom.

 

I know of many people possessing the siddhis of remote viewing and they can see the woman or man whom they are dating growing old in the future, defecating in the toilet, digging their nose, scratching their balls/breasts and yet they stubbornly refuse to fall out of the mara of lust and procreation. This would be what I call complete ignorance regardless of how many psychic powers you have.

 

That's not a description of remote viewing. Remote viewing is simply viewing things that are conventionally considered remote, or some distance away from your current location.

 

Nonetheless, Buddha used to teach his monks to reflect on the morbidity of the body. After many of his monks committed suicide, he changed his approach and no longer taught that technique. I seem to remember something like that being mentioned.

 

What is or isn't morbid is relative. There is no point in cultivating the perception of morbidity when the world has plenty of honest morbidity that doesn't require cultivation in order to be perceived. The world is naturally full of foul experiences as well as delights. When we let go, is it the world that we let go? Or is it our conventional frame of mind, our conventional mindset that we let go?

[Kali Yuga]

It's a waste of time talking to this hack. This is why I never posted on bodyoflight's convo's either. It would be a better use of time to practice rather than waste your time trying to convince clearly prejudiced people that their shortsighted and ignorant view is in fact short sighted and ignorant.

 

the way of the sage is to let the fool persist in his foolishness.

 

remote viewing just to see people taking a dump? that is about the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. you might as well watch porn and get enlightened.

 

The power of indonesian masters is limited. John Chang is the single most responsible person for the reputation of Indonesia as having chi power. But his practice (by the way, which is chinese in origin) is far above your puny little tenaga dalam tricks.

 

Whenever since has spirituality been a comparing of dick size? You fail.

[tulku]

Tulku,

 

As an effort to help you from being decieved. I will let in you on a little secret.

 

To quote a good friend o mine, "Taoist act dumb like they know nothing. Taoist keep their mouths shut."

 

I think you maybe be experiencing that.

 

I think south east asia is more open about teaching higher level chikung to anyone that walks up.

 

Case in point about China being secretive is that most of us would not even know about neikung if it wasnt for john chang.

 

 

In my experience Taoist masters are usually more powerful than what they let on to be.

 

Even the simplest taoist exercise can result in lots of power if we here in the west could refrain from sexual activities to attain it.

 

All the taoist secrets in qigong can be found via Mantak Chia or Tenaga Dalam. There is absolutely no point in anygoing going all the way to China to learn these "secrets". Besides due to the openness of Mantak Chia's teachings and Tenaga Dalam, I believe the level and sophistication of qigong in SEA is much higher than those found in China.

 

In regards to you Huriahr, I have lived in China for a few years before so I know exactly how the China society operates.

[tulku]

In the entire Indonesia(300 million people) and Youtube community there is only one demonstration that is convincing.

 

John Chang = Chinese Nei Kung. Not Tenaga Dalam.

 

Why ?

 

Because TD is beginner kungfu.

 

It's a waste of time talking to this hack. This is why I never posted on bodyoflight's convo's either. It would be a better use of time to practice rather than waste your time trying to convince clearly prejudiced people that their shortsighted and ignorant view is in fact short sighted and ignorant.

 

the way of the sage is to let the fool persist in his foolishness.

 

remote viewing just to see people taking a dump? that is about the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. you might as well watch porn and get enlightened.

 

The power of indonesian masters is limited. John Chang is the single most responsible person for the reputation of Indonesia as having chi power. But his practice (by the way, which is chinese in origin) is far above your puny little tenaga dalam tricks.

 

Whenever since has spirituality been a comparing of dick size? You fail.

 

 

Tenaga Dalam is higher than Chinese Nei Kung or John Chang Mo Pai.

 

Can John Chang Mo Pai or any other qigong do this for a child?

 

Here an Indo child can even train himself to withstand heat. Can any qigong or mopai accomplish similar feats which even a child can learn?

 

 

Prove it. Prove that the Chinese Qigong can accomplish more miraculous feats than Tenaga Dalam and I will eat my words.

 

Otherwise you are no better than chinese qigong masters blowing hot air.

[tulku]

Ignorance can never become complete because if that were the case, there'd be no door left to open for wisdom.

 

 

 

That's not a description of remote viewing. Remote viewing is simply viewing things that are conventionally considered remote, or some distance away from your current location.

 

Nonetheless, Buddha used to teach his monks to reflect on the morbidity of the body. After many of his monks committed suicide, he changed his approach and no longer taught that technique. I seem to remember something like that being mentioned.

 

What is or isn't morbid is relative. There is no point in cultivating the perception of morbidity when the world has plenty of honest morbidity that doesn't require cultivation in order to be perceived. The world is naturally full of foul experiences as well as delights. When we let go, is it the world that we let go? Or is it our conventional frame of mind, our conventional mindset that we let go?

 

True RV includes the ability to RV future or past events.

[C T]

From (the real) Tulku Urgyen:

 

"Superficial knowledge of metaphysical words and their meaning

cannot prevent your mind being clouded over by the disturbing

emotions of conceit and jealousy, competitiveness and ill will.

A person in such a state is a practitioner in name only. Since the

real purpose of the Dharma is to soften our rigid character, the

benefit will have amounted to nothing. It is for this reason that

we should unite View and conduct."

The Buddha was extremely poor during the later part of His life. His only worthy possessions were his robe, a begging bowl, and a strainer for filtering water.

 

A member on this forum has a great signature - it says, "Whatever you possess end up possessing you."

 

Expect nothing. Just practice. Then you will never be disappointed. The world becomes your playground.

Edited June 22, 2011 by CowTao

[Seth Ananda]

Yes I realize that there are many chinese qigong masters and students in here who are clearly offended by what I say. How would you feel if I say you have wasted so much time and energy in learning something useless? But the truth hurts, I must say, and when a more superior school appears, one must put his own ego aside and bow down to the more superior school.

Anyone not a student of these Tenaga 'Masters' can punch any one of them in their useless faces.

Put any master anywhere who claims to be able to use his chi 'only' to flip someone away, or to deflect his attacker, with zero contact... put them next to any real martial artist who is trained to fight, Including me, and watch them/me punch the noses right off their tenaga faces... lol

 

Now all nonsense aside, Full respect goes to their energy cultivation system, but over and over again these lame ass demo's have been shown to only work on that masters students, or on students who really believe in that masters abilities...

 

Some one show the golden bamboo school to this noob.

[kho]

Tenaga Dalam is higher than Chinese Nei Kung or John Chang Mo Pai.

 

Can John Chang Mo Pai or any other qigong do this for a child?

 

Here an Indo child can even train himself to withstand heat. Can any qigong or mopai accomplish similar feats which even a child can learn?

 

 

Prove it. Prove that the Chinese Qigong can accomplish more miraculous feats than Tenaga Dalam and I will eat my words.

 

Otherwise you are no better than chinese qigong masters blowing hot air.

 

Are you serious ? I wont waste my time any further as suggested.

[orb]

Anyone not a student of these Tenaga 'Masters' can punch any one of them in their useless faces.

Put any master anywhere who claims to be able to use his chi 'only' to flip someone away, or to deflect his attacker, with zero contact... put them next to any real martial artist who is trained to fight, Including me, and watch them/me punch the noses right off their tenaga faces... lol

 

Now all nonsense aside, Full respect goes to their energy cultivation system, but over and over again these lame ass demo's have been shown to only work on that masters students, or on students who really believe in that masters abilities...

 

Some one show the golden bamboo school to this noob.

 

 

So true.... every single word. People would rather believe anything they hear then test it. It should be the other way around. Don't be afraid to test your masters, people. It might help them out too. Some of them are just too naive.

[ralis]

These guys are more powerful than any Tenaga master. I am working on the voltage projection and will soon master it.

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFEjcvIRMDo

Edited June 22, 2011 by ralis

[Dainin]

How can mere Jedi stand up to this highest and most powerful Indonesian Supreme Mastery?

 

 

Edited June 22, 2011 by Dainin

[templetao]

the post below is more important.

Edited June 22, 2011 by templetao

[templetao]

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Edited June 23, 2011 by templetao

[templetao]

So Tulku I just cant sit idly by and let you insult the supreme ultimate path to the tao.

Edited June 22, 2011 by templetao

[Harmonious Emptiness]

For what it's worth, I just see students having a fear response that makes them fade. "I can't hit my master/teacher" and then their brain forces them to bail on the attempt.

[templetao]

Tulku

 

but have fun with your triangle breathing.

 

Bringing the chi down to the dantian condensing and spinning it is all low level btw.

 

You have no right insulting masters of taichi. You have no right even looking at them in the face as they walk by.

[NeiChuan]

Tulku

 

but have fun with your triangle breathing.

 

Bringing the chi down to the dantian condensing and spinning it is all low level btw.

 

 

 

Especially when there's no energy to be condensed.

[minkus]

You have no right insulting masters of taichi. You have no right even looking at them in the face as they walk by.

 

Hey Elijah you still here trying to scam people ?