Christian missionary converted by tribe

[Oolong Rabbit]

Tribal people live effortlessly so much closer to the Way. Why do these arrogant christians feel the need to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throat? It's kind of neat to see this guy get the tsbles turned on him.

 

[mYTHmAKER]

Tribal people live effortlessly so much closer to the Way. Why do these arrogant christians feel the need to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throat? It's kind of neat to see this guy get the tsbles turned on him.

 

 

:)

[Informer]

You could look at it that way.

 

I look at the beauty of the man's realization and the hurdles he must have overcome to have that realization.

[Vajrahridaya]

You could look at it that way.

 

I look at the beauty of the man's realization and the hurdles he must have overcome to have that realization.

 

Indeed powerful!

 

Thanks for that Oolong. Though I don't fully agree with the conclusions of a non-meditative culture that only lives for the sense perceived now. It's still nice to see a Christian missionary get turned around, lol!

[Aetherous]

Though I don't fully agree with the conclusions of a non-meditative culture that only lives for the sense perceived now.

 

This is the first time I've heard of such a culture.

[templetao]

Tribal people live effortlessly so much closer to the Way. Why do these arrogant christians feel the need to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throat? It's kind of neat to see this guy get the tsbles turned on him.

 

 

 

Watched the video and id have to say that he was not strong enough in his faith or the word following god was not spiritual to him.

 

he was fooled by their tribal life style. People like that dont fight a spiritual battle like modern living people do. They dont have the debatchery that modern living has like porn drugs crime and so on. Also they as a village are not trying to get closer to god so they arent being tested with trails or tribulations of any sort.

 

Survival is there main sole occupation.

 

Only those who have not really tried to go to god do not understand the very real spiritual battle that is going on.

 

My conversion was very literal i seen the demons and later angels. The only thing i can tell you that it is real.

[mike1234]

Tribal people live effortlessly so much closer to the Way. Why do these arrogant christians feel the need to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throat? It's kind of neat to see this guy get the tsbles turned on him.

 

 

Your negativity isn't any better than the arrogant Christians!

[mYTHmAKER]

Watched the video and id have to say that he was not strong enough in his faith or the word following god was not spiritual to him.

 

he was fooled by their tribal life style. People like that dont fight a spiritual battle like modern living people do. They dont have the debatchery that modern living has like porn drugs crime and so on. Also they as a village are not trying to get closer to god so they arent being tested with trails or tribulations of any sort.

 

Survival is there main sole occupation.

 

Only those who have not really tried to go to god do not understand the very real spiritual battle that is going on.

 

My conversion was very literal i seen the demons and later angels. The only thing i can tell you that it is real.

 

Curious - so what are you doing on a taoist site.

[orb]

Tribal people live effortlessly so much closer to the Way. Why do these arrogant christians feel the need to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throat? It's kind of neat to see this guy get the tsbles turned on him.

 

 

 

I highly recommend his book. That is a very rare culture that somehow didn't get destroyed yet by the modern world...

[templetao]

Curious - so what are you doing on a taoist site.

 

1. I practice a taoist art.

2. To help out when i can.

 

Look demons ruin peoples lives and or kill people.

 

They can influence you

They can oppress you

They can possess you

 

and im not a witch

 

I learned this from experience and just being able to see.

 

Id see dark shadows follow people and make them sick and drain energy from them and by watching I learned.

 

For the longest time i didnt know what to make of it.

 

My first and only live in student(for a brief time) when he first came to me I seen a dark figure following him as well. I did a healing on him( and i tried to remove the blockages that were preventing him from having a better life) and had this figure attack me later that night.

 

The next day id told my student to be what i had seen and experienced. While he trained with me his life got better in all ways. Then 1 day I came in the house and sensed something was different. He was being influenced by this dark shadow the temptation of youth called him away.

 

He came to me months later he lost his job, his car, and his girlfriend. he had no where to go. He apologized and I accepted him.

 

It was during this time that his third eye started to open up and he seen the dark shadow following him and other people as well.

 

Later he again gave in to the temptations of youth and modern life and left and forsake his training.

 

Despite all i did and shown and explained to him i still could not avert him from evil's hand.

 

There was a lady once who came to my door selling something or other and we struck up a conversation. She told me that she was in poor health and that she had liver problems. I instantly invited her in and offered to treat her. She accepted and she lay on my healing table and i seen blockages start to come out of her and then i seen something i never seen before. I seen some being that started to comeout of her. Of course i didnt say anything at the time but as soon as this thing started to comeout of her she leap up from my table and left my house. I urged her to comeback and that there was no charge just comeback( i told her).

 

I went thru a phase like that were i could see entities walk around all the time. id reach out to people but they wouldnt believe you.

 

It was hard. It was hard to see.

[Oolong Rabbit]

Your negativity isn't any better than the arrogant Christians!

 

Sure it is. I am not trying to force my fear based belief system on others.

[mYTHmAKER]

1. I practice a taoist art.

2. To help out when i can.

 

Look demons ruin peoples lives and or kill people.

 

They can influence you

They can oppress you

They can possess you

 

and im not a witch

 

I learned this from experience and just being able to see.

 

Id see dark shadows follow people and make them sick and drain energy from them and by watching I learned.

 

For the longest time i didnt know what to make of it.

 

My first and only live in student(for a brief time) when he first came to me I seen a dark figure following him as well. I did a healing on him( and i tried to remove the blockages that were preventing him from having a better life) and had this figure attack me later that night.

 

The next day id told my student to be what i had seen and experienced. While he trained with me his life got better in all ways. Then 1 day I came in the house and sensed something was different. He was being influenced by this dark shadow the temptation of youth called him away.

 

He came to me months later he lost his job, his car, and his girlfriend. he had no where to go. He apologized and I accepted him.

 

It was during this time that his third eye started to open up and he seen the dark shadow following him and other people as well.

 

Later he again gave in to the temptations of youth and modern life and left and forsake his training.

 

Despite all i did and shown and explained to him i still could not avert him from evil's hand.

 

There was a lady once who came to my door selling something or other and we struck up a conversation. She told me that she was in poor health and that she had liver problems. I instantly invited her in and offered to treat her. She accepted and she lay on my healing table and i seen blockages start to come out of her and then i seen something i never seen before. I seen some being that started to comeout of her. Of course i didnt say anything at the time but as soon as this thing started to comeout of her she leap up from my table and left my house. I urged her to comeback and that there was no charge just comeback( i told her).

 

I went thru a phase like that were i could see entities walk around all the time. id reach out to people but they wouldnt believe you.

 

It was hard. It was hard to see.

 

Interesting.The reason I posted my question re you and a taoist site is that you sounded born again as

part of your comment was

"Only those who have not really tried to go to god do not understand the very real spiritual battle that is going on. My conversion was very literal i seen the demons and later angels. The only thing i can tell you that it is real."

so now you have cleared that up and all is good

[Oolong Rabbit]

1. I practice a taoist art.

2. To help out when i can.

 

Look demons ruin peoples lives and or kill people.

 

They can influence you

They can oppress you

They can possess you

 

and im not a witch

 

I learned this from experience and just being able to see.

 

Id see dark shadows follow people and make them sick and drain energy from them and by watching I learned.

 

For the longest time i didnt know what to make of it.

 

My first and only live in student(for a brief time) when he first came to me I seen a dark figure following him as well. I did a healing on him( and i tried to remove the blockages that were preventing him from having a better life) and had this figure attack me later that night.

 

The next day id told my student to be what i had seen and experienced. While he trained with me his life got better in all ways. Then 1 day I came in the house and sensed something was different. He was being influenced by this dark shadow the temptation of youth called him away.

 

He came to me months later he lost his job, his car, and his girlfriend. he had no where to go. He apologized and I accepted him.

 

It was during this time that his third eye started to open up and he seen the dark shadow following him and other people as well.

 

Later he again gave in to the temptations of youth and modern life and left and forsake his training.

 

Despite all i did and shown and explained to him i still could not avert him from evil's hand.

 

There was a lady once who came to my door selling something or other and we struck up a conversation. She told me that she was in poor health and that she had liver problems. I instantly invited her in and offered to treat her. She accepted and she lay on my healing table and i seen blockages start to come out of her and then i seen something i never seen before. I seen some being that started to comeout of her. Of course i didnt say anything at the time but as soon as this thing started to comeout of her she leap up from my table and left my house. I urged her to comeback and that there was no charge just comeback( i told her).

 

I went thru a phase like that were i could see entities walk around all the time. id reach out to people but they wouldnt believe you.

 

It was hard. It was hard to see.

 

Thanks for sharing that Templetao. Why did these experiences convince you convert to christianity specifically? Almost all religions deal with spirits and demons. They are just different paths up the same mountain.

[templetao]

it was during this time that all seen around me was evil.

 

I learned that things like tv, bad food, stress, desire, and fatigue. Imbalance the body and weaken your energy signal to make it easier for these beings to influence you.

 

I also learned that these "beings" worked like command sergeant majors as they bounce around from human to human in a type of rotation.(command sergeant majors visit different units all day) Staying with the some longer than others for various reasons.

 

I also learned that that the imbalances caused by modern living or corupted modern living makes it easier for these beings to infect you with blockages (dense balls of negative energy)(and these type of blockages from them are the hardest to remove)

 

At first i was compelled to help as many as i could.

 

This was and is a demon run country.

 

People consume poisons that they know that kills them on a daily basis. people listen to music that talks about killing violence and death. And so on and so on.

 

During this time i discovered that alchemy does not recover potential it restores yuan chi but not potential.

 

As i understood it at that time bad karma kill potential and thus ages you.

 

Let me explain.

 

Young people are amazing for a few reasons. The main reason is that most young people feel like they can do anything. it is such an overwhelming feeling they have of this that causes them to rebel and not to listen. I use to think it was just from being young until i looked deeper...

 

Thru my inner training i reserved and transmuted alot of jing for a long time. Alas i didnt feel truly replenished not as i felt when i was a young teen.

 

Until i by mistake discovered that you can heal the negative karma you already received or the affect of it from the negative things you did in your life. Once i did this i felt like was a teen again i had this over whelming sense that i could do anything.

 

This lead me to virtue

 

And how loss of virtue degrades then jing then chi then spirit.

And that without virtue alchemy training was incomplete.

And the result of bad actions is the loss of virtue.

 

edited for my safty.

 

I refused.

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So you see i have experience in this sort of thing.

Edited July 28, 2011 by templetao

[templetao]

Thanks for sharing that Templetao. Why did these experiences convince you convert to christianity specifically? Almost all religions deal with spirits and demons. They are just different paths up the same mountain.

Well it was shortly after that encounter that i was in trouble.

 

I was now being plagued with these dark entities. I fought them off when i could. I was definitely under attack. I could send them away but they would come right back.

 

It was easter sunday and a friend came by who was now a devoute christian. he use to be a hard core martial artist infact he was my main sparring partner.

 

He came by and i decided to return with them to their home which was out of town and spend a week or so with them.

 

I was sleeping on their couch and on 1 night i sensed that these dark beings has followed me to their house. I just sat up and prepared myself. All of a sudden my friend came down the stairs. he said, "They followed you."

 

We prayed and they left. i spent the whole next 2 weeks studying and praying.

 

And i learned even more.

 

I learned that prayer heals.

I learned that it is important to spend time around people who are holier than yourself.

I learned that the lord speaks to you as a vibration inside of you.

I learned many many things.

[templetao]

Alchemy without virtue was just the glorification of self it was just an act of vanity.

 

Without virtue there is no ascension and without ascension there is no alchemy.

 

The deception is deep.

 

I strove to understand what the prophets had and waited for the Pentecost( the fire from heaven.)

 

To transend karma and be forgiven.

 

Going to god made me understand alchemy alot more.

Edited July 28, 2011 by templetao

[templetao]

Look ill say this and this is the last ill say on this thread.

 

evil has penetrated chikung and taoist arts.

 

There is chikung out there now that is not good for you. That is all im going to say.

 

Remember what i said about the alchemy without the virtue.

 

Pray

Edited July 28, 2011 by templetao

[宁]

Alchemy does not recover potential it restores yuan chi but not potential.

 

As i understood it at that time bad karma kill potential and thus ages you.

 

Let me explain.

 

Young people are amazing for a few reasons. The main reason is that most young people feel like they can do anything. it is such an overwhelming feeling they have of this that causes them to rebel and not to listen. I use to think it was just from being young until i looked deeper...

 

Thru my inner training i reserved and transmuted alot of jing for a long time. Alas i didnt feel truly replenished not as i felt when i was a young teen.

 

Until i by mistake discovered that you can heal the negative karma you already received or the affect of it from the negative things you did in your life. Once i did this i felt like was a teen again i had this over whelming sense that i could do anything.

 

This lead me to virtue

 

And how loss of virtue degrades then jing then chi then spirit.

And that without virtue alchemy training was incomplete.

And the result of bad actions is the loss of virtue.

 

 

Templetao, this is consistent with my experience also.

I would call this Virtue by the name of 'innocence'.

I think everyone has it, and needs to return to it constantly.

Thanks for sharing, makes me feel like i'm not alone

 

L1

[mYTHmAKER]

Look ill say this and this is the last ill say on this thread.

 

evil has penetrated chikung and taoist arts.

 

There is chikung out there now that is not good for you. That is all im going to say.

 

Remember what i said about the alchemy without the virtue.

 

Pray

 

Make sure when choosing a teacher that he/she has a sense of humor, laughs a lot, and has a smile on their face.

You can't go wrong

[Desert Eagle]

I agree with your points about virtue, burning of karma, trials and temptations, and some negative qigong practices, and other points however I see a possibility for a different interpretation of what you have experienced.

 

As for the demons it is possible that they are real or that they are manifested. If they are real then that does not necessarily mean that everything else in the Bible is true. It could have been capable people in the past who saw those entities and then the stories were changed later. By the way you said that you also saw angels but you haven't mentioned an example as you did with the demons.

 

Prayer could be affirmation and programming to the higher self and virtuous nature to affect change in a realm where the demons would be affected.If we have it in our nature to cultivate virtue and project our will then we can affect those realms without appeal to god. Is it fully understood how prayer and appeal to god works? Is it fully understood how humans affect other realms and each other? Can the cultural environment affect our faith?

 

In metaphysics there is the concept of N squared and in different qigong systems the concept of the energy field and how it interacts with the universe. If given higher energy through practice, wouldn't a collective group of humans be able to manifest greater events and greater details of reality?

 

Karma is also known as a universal law related to vibrations and conduct that is not necessarily ascribed to monotheistic religion.

 

Also, what if mainstream religion does not teach any alchemy or self empowerment?

[gendao]

Look ill say this and this is the last ill say on this thread.

 

evil has penetrated chikung and taoist arts.

 

There is chikung out there now that is not good for you. That is all im going to say.

 

Remember what i said about the alchemy without the virtue.

 

Pray

Can you be more specific about this - like which ones do you believe have been infiltrated with evil and how can one distinguish?

[Jetsun]

 

Look demons ruin peoples lives and or kill people.

 

They can influence you

They can oppress you

They can possess you

 

 

It appears to me that the Shaman who live in tribal societies are far better at helping people deal with demons than any Christian I have ever seen

[templetao]

Vortex,

 

No i will not go into it i will not bad mouth or speak bad about anyone else.

 

Desert Eagle,

 

Everything I said came from personal experience. It is the truth as I experienced it. I went from martial artist to taoist in that order.

 

I went thru all of this from the virtue of just practicing chikung for a long period of time.

 

Angels?

 

To better understand maybe a little more history will help first.

 

I use to have a neighbor named Jeff and he was a cripple.

 

Jeff was a life long witch he was born into it and had lineage in a coven. His parents and grand parents were witches and so on.

 

At the time I didnt know much about witchcraft.

 

Jeff told me some of his beliefs. After hearing this i decided to take a look at Jeff and i could tell he no level of acheivement.

 

He told me that he could cast spell on people(by the use of demons) and he could astral travel and being able to open doors and so on.

 

But i would counter and say that you have no internal power of your own....

 

So we would wage endless debates over witchcraft and taoism.

 

Id go over there we would grill out and discuss and debate.

 

At a certain time I decided to open to jeff about the things i knew and i offered to heal him. Jeff could not move from the waste down. After 1 treatment from me he could wiggle his toes.

 

and again after treating him i was attacked later that time from whatever demon was following him.

 

I also advised him that he should not practice witchcraft anymore for the obvious reasons. He wasnt keen on that idea but i continues to work on him. He reached a point to where he no longer needed a cane. I told him that he needed more treatment but in his heart he turned against me and went headstrong back into witchcraft. And in a short time he needed his cane again.

 

(Apparently there was some bad blood in Jeff's old coven the son of his teacher resented Jeff and put a spell on him. This happened before I met Jeff.)

 

Well 1 of the demons following jeff was very powerful and it did not like me very much. and it made me sick. Whenever it showed up i got sick and there was nothing i could do about it.

 

Until 1 nite i was in bed and i prayed to god.

 

What happened next I will never forget. I saw an angel enter my room and walk towards the dark shadow and forced it to leave then it came over to me and removed all the negative chi that i could not. Instantly after that i felt like myself again i got up started doing pushups, turned the tv on and started to train.

 

Another incident was with my ex girlfriend.

 

I met her thru a friend and long story short we started dating and eventually moved into together. She told me about her rough past and I told her what I could.

 

She smoked and 1 day i offered to heal her lungs. I did as much and later that nite i was attacked by whatever was following her.

 

Later i was to find out that her last boyfriend was a witch.

 

We dated and the relationship ran its course.

 

later i heard that she got back into drugs. I did a distance healing on her and shortly afterwards her life got better.

 

I went thru a period that i could see angels but only when i prayed or read the bible.

 

On a side note they are big like id have to say 7-10ft tall a demon looks like a dark shadow of average human height.

 

With angels i could only see their outlines i couldnt see their features.

 

And i have a ton more stories like the ones above. I lived this if anything im holding back on what i post.

[templetao]

The life of a sage the way it is for a reason.

 

If you could describe the appearance of a sage it would most likely fit the description of a poorman and this is not without reason.

 

I had a question poised to me some time ago and that is "why do most chikung masters have their own business?"

 

At the time i really didnt know until i had gotten some more life experience.

 

I remember I was at work and I was talking with a client and all of a sudden i sensed the most negative spirit behind me. So negative that it just made my heart sink I could barely continue with the conversation with my client. Shortly after that things did not go so well for me.

 

On my days off I could go into full taoist training mode.

 

I would set up my protections.

practice martial chikung.

meditate

Do taichi

and so on.

 

During those times nothing could get to me. Infact the only time anything could get to me is when I was at work. And when i was heavily dating.

 

Infact I can look back to anytime i went thru a hard time in my life since i started training was when i abandoned my training usually due to live in girlfriends.

 

Once you start to see and experience the other side of the veil. You become dangerous in a way.

 

Because you know.

 

You become a target for these evil beings to silence you because they know if you open up to anyone and start to tell them the truth of what you know that the truth will start to comeout. Also every action you take after becoming aware will only avert them.

 

 

And if you are able to control the influences on your own energy field you cant control it for the people around you not all the time. These evil beings can get to you via other people in your life and influence them to affect you.

 

So a sage in my opinion withdraws from the world to cultivate himself, and to help other people, while protecting himself.

 

This is my experience and I have not read this from some book. I have lived this.

Edited July 29, 2011 by templetao

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