Ching Chi questions

[Noobrzor]

Hello

 

I'm practicing "Multi-Orgasmic Man" techniques and i encountered a couple problems that need solving, i hope you can help me.

 

First of all - As i read, before learning Big Draw better to master Cool Draw. So i do every day. But i'm not sure i'm doing it good. I don't feel mini orgasms, or bolts of electricity. I feel only very mild "touch" of refreshing energy all the way through the Back Channel and brain(more or less) whenever I try to raise the sexual energy up. I think i just need to keep training, right?

 

Secondly, I wonder if this is enough. Ideally I would want to stop ejaculation just by one thought or even make it so automatically like normal ejaculation. After alot of practice is it really this simple, or I just can't do without contracting muscles or else that requires all my focus and attention? (Today i had almost ejaculated, but stopped it by squeezing my PC muscle, although i didn't felt an orgasm.)

 

Lastly, i think i shouldn't be discouraged if it takes more time than said by Mantak Chia (6 months to master) right?

 

Looking forward to see your responses, and thanks for your time!

Edited August 26, 2011 by Noobrzor

[Bubbles]

Hello,

 

I can't be of much help here cos' I am not practicing any of M.Chia's techniques. But from what I've read here, you should first do the preliminary practices (and this is a minimum)

- six healing sounds

- Microcosmic orbit

 

You should be very cautious with refraining yourself from ejaculating over long periods.

 

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This website is running by a fellow bum who has experience and gathered some precious information.

[Lux ferre]

Hello noobrzor,

 

When Mantak is talking about orgasm, he's not talking about the short period of extasy you feel when you ejaculate, for him, orgasm energy is the feeling you get when you're aroused but NOT ejaculating.

 

Hope this helps

[Noobrzor]

@bubbles

Thank you, I'll try those.

 

@Lux Ferre

I think you're wrong. Orgasm is that short period of extasy, the Multi-Orgasmic Man technique is to achieve this short period of extasy in prolonged and Non-Ejaculatory version. This is how i see it, being aroused isn't having an orgasm - it's just being aroused. When i stopped the ejaculation, i also stopped the orgasm, which means i haven't successfully seperated them and moved the Ching Chi up to my brain.

 

And still awaiting answers for my questions.

[ChiDragon]

Noobrzor...

Do you have any Chi Kung experiences.....???

How is your breathing..???

Here is your test:

Can you hold up your hands straight in the air and take a deep breath....???

Did you feel like that your breath sink to the bottom of your abdomen...???

Edited August 26, 2011 by ChiDragon

[Lux ferre]

@Noobrzor : This is what he's saying in the DVD healing Love...

[Noobrzor]

@ChiDragon

I have absolutely no experience in any of thos internal arts. I've only read the Mantak Chia book and a couple of articles that PC muscle, when contracted in right moment, can let you achieve multi orgasms.

And about the test,i feel air going deep in my belly, so i think it's right

 

@Lux ferre

Then probably one of us misunderstood something In his book he is clearly talking about drawing the Ching Chi up to brain, instead of ejaculation, which leads to possibility of unlimited whole-body orgasms.

Although yesterday i experienced different phenomena. When I (apparently) drained some of my Ching Chi to my perineum while being highly aroused, every time i contracted my PC muscle i felt like Ching Chi in my perineum circulated which made me feel almost orgasmic feelings at my perineum! Awesome feeling and i wasn't even close to point of no return If this is type of orgasms YOU are talking about, then it's even better than stopping the ejaculation, because you feel orgasms all the time! (without even 1% of urge to ejaculate and finish)

 

"orgasm energy is the feeling you get when you're aroused but NOT ejaculating."

And it fits! If you mean i can be like frozen in orgasmic state and continue to make love with my lover for like 5 hours (and feeling newborn after, without any ejaculations) then i'm just saying - WOW!

 

Then i should just learn to make Ching Chi circulate all the time during sex, without muscle contractions. Am i thinking right?

Edited August 27, 2011 by Noobrzor

[ChiDragon]

@ChiDragon

1. I have absolutely no experience in any of thos internal arts.

 

2. I've only read the Mantak Chia book and a couple of articles that PC muscle, when contracted in right moment, can let you achieve multi orgasms.

And about the test,i feel air going deep in my belly, so i think it's right

 

1. I see you have not prepared yourself for the initial intent. I believe the prerequisite was to practice the MCO first, in order, to accomplish your initial intent. It takes quite some time before you can get to that stage. Your body should able to control your muscles internally via Chi Kung practice.

 

2. Since you have no Chi Kung experience, your physical body is not capable of doing what Matak Chia's Book and the articles was called for.

[VCraigP]

1. I see you have not prepared yourself for the initial intent. I believe the prerequisite was to practice the MCO first, in order, to accomplish your initial intent. It takes quite some time before you can get to that stage. Your body should able to control your muscles internally via Chi Kung practice.

 

2. Since you have no Chi Kung experience, your physical body is not capable of doing what Matak Chia's Book and the articles was called for.

 

I actually feel myself mostly in agreement with ChiDragon here.

 

It is my opinion that Multi Orgasmic Man is an ill-conceived attempt to publish a popular book and disseminate information which is somewhat removed from the more esoteric perspective of his earlier foundation material.

 

I am a former certified instructor of the basic level of Healing Tao practice. I would advise anyone interested in doing the sexual practice to achieve a great deal of experience with both simple meditative practice as well as standing qigong practice of some kind as the very minimum for attempting to work directly with the sexual energy in this way.

 

From the perspective of Healing Tao practice you should do the following practices to a very comfortable proficiency; Inner smile, six healing sounds, Iron shirt Chi Kung (although with a caveat that I believe the original book has it's own attendant issues if practiced verbatim from the book), and Fusion of the five elements. Standing qigong of some kind will help you develop the sensitivity for all parts of the body as well as the urogenital area and the attendant acrobatics M.Chia recommends.

 

All of that said with the overarching Caveat that this sexual gongfu practice may be ill advised to attempt at all as is somewhat touched upon in the website Alchemical taoism . com

 

I invite you to go deeper and understand more and recommend you drop pursuing the sexual practice til you gain more knowledge and perspective of it.

 

Craig

[Noobrzor]

Thank you very much!

I'll everything from the start, as you reccommend.

 

It kinda interests me though, that i've seen many reviews about this book letting people achieve the goal of being multi orgasmic in less than 2 months, also without any previous or other practices. How could it be?

 

Also, could anybody comment on my response to @Lux Ferre about my recent discovery? Im curious to find out i think right

[Fire Dragon]

[Lux ferre]

@Noobzor : I'm not a specialist but in my practice, when aroused, I contract the perineum, the eyes and the biggest muscles in the body like the buttocks or legs + reverse breathing in order to lower the erection and taking the energy up in the MCO which works pretty good to get back to an energised state after sex without any sex drive left.

 

Hope this helps

[ChiDragon]

 

@Lux Ferre

I think you're wrong. Orgasm is that short period of extasy, the Multi-Orgasmic Man technique is to achieve this short period of extasy in prolonged and Non-Ejaculatory version. This is how i see it, being aroused isn't having an orgasm - it's just being aroused. When i stopped the ejaculation, i also stopped the orgasm, which means i haven't successfully seperated them and moved the Ching Chi up to my brain.

 

And still awaiting answers for my questions.

 

I recall Shakespeare says: "Alcohol will provoke the desire but takes away the performance."

 

The purpose not to be ejaculated was to do the oppose. It was to provoke desire and to prolong the performance. The longer one can retain the sperms for a longer period will maintain the highest desire to perform. Tighten the muscles like "anal lock" will help to achieve the highest climax of sexual performance. Chi Kung is a practice that can help the body to do internal contraction of all the muscles.

 

In regarding to a Ching Chi, it was just an esoteric term used by the Taoists. IMO Was it really something that ever existed which will move up to the brain is questionable...??

[Noobrzor]

Dunno if it exists or no - anything that does what it should be doing is okay (Placebo effect)

 

I wonder ChiDragon, what is your answer to become Multi Orgasmic Man (without ejaculation) and to maintain that status without much effort?

 

I've seen many repilies,that Mantak Chia book works, here you made it look worse, and also needing the initial practices. Simply closing the muscles won't do the thing, it needs seperation. Plus Mantak Chia tells us that after alot of practice, it becomes so easy that a simple thought does the thing.

 

I keep my point of view and i hope the Mantak Chia Formula 1 books will help me to locate and control this energy. I want to be great lover, and i hate the feelings of ejaculation (during and after,like fatique but not the orgasm of course :>)

 

Since my primary goal is to be master at Multi Orgasmic Man techniques anything that does it work will do. But if i am to face the truth that it is impossible, or it is much harder and not so good as i thought, i just prefer to stay in my lie and keep training. (I kinda can't draw the energy to my perineum, while some time ago i was feeling it more clearly and up in my brain)

 

Loking forward to further discussion

Edited August 28, 2011 by Noobrzor

[ChiDragon]

A. I wonder ChiDragon, what is your answer to become Multi Orgasmic Man (without ejaculation) and to maintain that status without much effort? I've seen many repilies, that Mantak Chia book works, here you made it look worse, and also needing the initial practices.

 

B. Simply closing the muscles won't do the thing, it needs seperation. Plus Mantak Chia tells us that after alot of practice, it becomes so easy that a simple thought does the thing.

 

C. I keep my point of view and i hope the Mantak Chia Formula 1 books will help me to locate and control this energy. I want to be great lover, and i hate the feelings of ejaculation (during and after, like fatique but not the orgasm of course :>)

 

Since my primary goal is to be master at Multi Orgasmic Man techniques anything that does it work will do. But if i am to face the truth that it is impossible, or it is much harder and not so good as i thought, i just prefer to stay in my lie and keep training. (I kinda can't draw the energy to my perineum, while some time ago i was feeling it more clearly and up in my brain)

 

Loking forward to further discussion

 

A. My justification for the system works for some but not the others was because of the following physical conditions.

1. Some people are born with a healthy body with physical fitness.

2. Some people are only semi-healthy.

3. Some people are born weak.

 

Condition 1:

At first, these people do not need to do any practice to become more healthier for the sexual experience. However, if they are performing the non-ejaculating sexual practice but ended up with multi orgasm with ejaculation, then their bodies will become weaken by the continuous practice. At the end, they still need to practice the MCO-1 to bring them back to their bodies to the initial healthy condition.

 

Condition 2:

These people are needed to do the initial MCO-1 practice to bring their bodies to the top health level as in condition 1.

 

Condition 3:

These people are definitely needed to do the MCO-1 initial practice to bring their bodies to the top health level as in condition 1.

 

B. Mantak Chia tells us that after alot of practice, it becomes so easy that a simple thought does the thing. Simply closing the muscles will do the thing spontaneously; it needs no separation. It will be done internally. Indeed, if it was done with a little external help, like tightened the body muscles, it will enhance your performance to a further extent.

 

C. Based on your description in the initial post, it seems to me that your health condition is falling in between the conditions 2 and 3.

 

IMO, one should do the MCO-1 practice regardless what health condition one was in. The diligent practice will keep up with the energy that the body demands, ever after ejaculation(one or two times) still have enough energy left to mow a lawn...

Edited August 29, 2011 by ChiDragon

[Trunk]

It is my opinion that Multi Orgasmic Man ...

 

I am a former certified instructor of the basic level of Healing Tao...

 

Craig

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[Noobrzor]

Good response ChiDragon

 

As for me, falling between 2-3 are rather false. I am a teenager so it's kinda not possible to feel exhaustion after ejaculation. I trust my body, and after ejaculation i feel like i've lost energy, and my mood drops. I have energy for everything but i just kinda feel like sh*t.

 

Same thing happens if you like, dont wash yourself for 3 days - you can do everything, you have the energy, but you are frustrated, angry and feel like sh*t.

 

But i see we have made some kind of understanding. I still think Multi Orgasmic Man works better than 100% and that you told good things, that if i train Formula 1 basic MCO and else, it will improve both my Tao skills and MOM skills ;D (so to speak) Since i have alot of time, best to train them simultaneusly

 

Thank you all for a wonderfull discussion. Since problem is solved, i can propose that the topic is closed