Is Gov. Rick Perry the Devil?

[strawdog65]

I don't personally care much at all for politics these days...

but there is something very insidious about this fellow.

 

He seems to be missing his white robe, but I'm sure he will

come burn a cross on your lawn if you want him to.

 

Bums....what do y'all think about this Bozo?

 

 

Can a presidential candidate that is so obviously slanted

for a particular belief system, someone that openly shows a

complete disregard for people who think differently than himself,

someone that makes every effort to push such an agenda of

hatefulness, really become our next President of the United States?

[Marblehead]

Just wanted to say that I had a belly laugh when I read the thread title.

 

It is undefinable what potential lies in tomorrow.

 

We presently have a black president. That was thought to be impossible.

 

Yes, I fear for my country from this man.

[strawdog65]

Just wanted to say that I had a belly laugh when I read the thread title.

 

It is undefinable what potential lies in tomorrow.

 

We presently have a black president. That was thought to be impossible.

 

Yes, I fear for my country from this man.

 

 

Hi there Marbles...

 

Glad I got you in the belly!

 

He is a scary person though.

I think that when you so actively surround

yourself only with those that agree with your

own thinking, it causes a form of brain damage...

heretofore to be known as... HeadinAss syndrome.

 

Whatever happened to the separation of church and state?

I've read that Hitler was a very spiritual man as well.

 

Can you hear the sound of those storm trooper boots

coming down the streets of yourtown, USA?

[Marblehead]

Whatever happened to the separation of church and state?

 

I will preach on this whenever I get the opportunity. I am a very strong believer in the separation of church and state. There are already way too many reasons to discriminate agains people who are not exactly what we want them to be.

 

We don't need any "Dark Ages" in America. We already have enough problems.

[Dainin]

For what it's worth, Perry has been vetted by the Bilderberg Group. He appeared there at the 2007 meeting, I think. So I would view him more as a tool of demonic forces, rather than the Shaitan himself. Just like someone else from Texas.

[Harmonious Emptiness]

For what it's worth, Perry has been vetted by the Bilderberg Group. He appeared there at the 2007 meeting, I think. So I would view him more as a tool of demonic forces, rather than the Shaitan himself. Just like someone else from Texas.

 

That's scary, 'cause the more tool the prez is = the more dangerous. If he will do whatever the highest greedy demons want they will take more chances to plant him in power.

[joeblast]

I'd personally rather have a captain that can navigate the boat through rough waters as opposed to one who can only talk about piloting a ship...while the rudder wheel spins completely off to one side.

 

This belongs in off topic.

[Marblehead]

This belongs in off topic.

 

In fact, we could speak more freely if it was in the pit. Hehehe.

[thelerner]

definitely an off topic subject.

 

Personally I don't care for him. He's not the devil, just another smiling politician who follows the path of least resistance.

 

I don't want the whole U.S. to resemble Texas. More working poor and uninsured then most states and thats just fine with him, no need for change.

 

Course there may be is worse. I'll unhappily take 4 more years of Obama over any of the Republicans, but there's a small part of me that would accept Ron Paul. Knowing most of his radical agendas couldn't get through congress, many of his common sense slashes might. He could bring a welcome house cleaning and, ground up rework of the system.

 

That said, he has almost no chance.

 

2 bits.

Edited September 15, 2011 by thelerner

[Green Tiger]

Ron Paul 2012

 

[ralis]

Dr. Ron Paul M.D. shows no compassion for people without health insurance! In his mind that is freedom of choice. What a hypocrite! There are approximately 50 million people in the U.S. without health insurance due to the fact that insurance is very expensive and not affordable for many. He also has said that business owners have a right to discriminate against anyone coming into their store or restaurant. People like him want to put this country back into the pre-civil rights days.

 

Ron Paul, Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann are Tea Bagger fascists.

[Marblehead]

Ron Paul, Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann are Tea Bagger fascists.

 

Well, considering that the United States is already a fascist state I suppose the people will be electing a fascist to govern it.

 

And remember, the voters were promised change by the Democrats and there have been none. Same ole shit.

[iamtheare]

I don't think any of the candidates are any better than Obama.

[Trunk]

~~~ TTBs Moderation ~~~

 

Politics: moved to off-topic.

(Yeah, and I know it's partly spiritual too. )

 

- Trunk

 

~~~ Mod Squad out ~~~

[Marblehead]

~~~ TTBs Moderation ~~~

 

Politics: moved to off-topic.

(Yeah, and I know it's partly spiritual too. )

 

- Trunk

 

~~~ Mod Squad out ~~~

 

Thanks Trunk.

 

Where the heck did you find any spirituality in our politics? Hehehe. Hypocracy? Sure.

[gendao]

Ron Paul 2012

 

I AGREE 10000%!!!

 

Unfortunately, although Ron Paul is the real frontrunner who actually places first (or a close second) in all the straw polls, the MSM continues to cover him up while promoting NW0 muppets like Perry or Romney as the "legit frontrunners." Who all stand strong with Democrats on the same core issues. The only difference being that while liberals will also focus a bit more on Socialist overspending at home, the neocons will focus more on overspending on PNAC preemptive military offensives abroad.

 

So, I think Ron Paul would be the ideal Libertarian POTUS to prepare us for the new sobering AUSTERE AGE OF SELF-RELIANCE. NO MORE FREE-SPENDING BABY BOOMERS!!! You've totally depleted all your funds as well as that of the next 3 generations and so WE'RE ALL AZZ-BROKE NOW, GET IT YET??? Time to cut up your $50 trillion credit cards, cry babies!!

 

Other fringe GOPers could serve in more limited, specialty capacities like Herman Cain as economic advisor and Michele Bachmann as a feisty cheerleader..

"S" stands for "Shifting the blame."

 

"I" stands for "Ignoring the facts."

 

"N" stands for "Name calling." Finally, when liberals see that they're getting nowhere with their conservative friends, they resort to name calling.

Anyhow, as far as measuring poverty, you also have to take into account different demographics as well as state DEBT, etc. IOW, a state heavily in debt is actually far poorer than one living more austerely but actually WITHIN ITS MEANS. And it just so happens that most of the liberal blue states (particularly California, Illinois & New York) are heavily in debt while conservative red states (like Texas) less so.

So first balance the books and THEN measure poverty! Well, we all know that liberal mecca Calibfornia is severely BANKRUPT, so that's a great example of where Socialist welfare states end up...(now extorting a giant Bailout from the rest of the country in the form of Pelosicare)!

Edited September 15, 2011 by vortex

[Bubbles]

Ron Paul, Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann are Tea Bagger fascists.

 

Actually, what is most scaring to me is not those people, but the large number of men and women of this country who vote for them. One, two or three fools is an acceptable plague. Millions of them is a problem.

Unfortunately free thinking and free voting doesn't equal critical thinking and humanism.

Edited September 15, 2011 by bubbles

[joeblast]

hm...see, I think the federal government should be out of most of these areas of what's generally considered the democrat's forte areas. there's just not a heck of a lot of room for social legislation in the constitution, and much of the social legislation is frankly unconstitutional - SS and Medicare, for example, not to mention obamacare. The people should never have been subjected to and subsequently addicted to that particular morphine drip and any "upholdings" that have been made as to their constitutionality have been fantastically contrived.

 

...but not on the wording-scale of obamacare, because that one's just plain blatant and all but the most progressive of interpretations call for scrapping that entire thing. lying to the populace to add herion to that morphine drip.

 

if you want to consider working poor, look at its proximity to mexico. working poor is better than not working poor. better to have a high min wage and high unemployment, or lower minimum wage and lower unemployment? a job is only worth so much at a given market value - which is why a lot of public sector jobs are complained about, people making exorbitant sums for simply squatting at a place for a while, then getting paid higher salary once not working?? that's just laughable. but look at the data on government performance where there are heavy union contingents, and where there are not. where there is, there is correspondingly higher collective collusion.

 

4 more years of obama....hoooboy will this country be in terrible economic shape if the country is collectively stupid enough to shoot itself in its other foot come next year. read about the amount of taxes and regulation set to go into effect after the election! companies are all holding on to their money because they dont want to extend themselves and then have all efforts crushed by the additional burden - and if your profit margin is small to begin with, double to triple percentage of that in possible extra expenses creates quite a huge wall of uncertainty, and that's plenty to make a lot of people hold back.

 

I think *every* candidate we currently have is better than Obama. Even if Hilary were a candidate.

 

But wait...if Hillary winds up usurping the prize here, we'll find her little better than Obama, but a bit more pragmatic, at least for her own ass' sake. If she or Obama happens to get elected, we wont get much recovery, we wont have much of a trough recovery, its going to be a stamp-press flattening of any remaining american exceptionalism, and it will stay that way so long as people think old socialist europe is any sort of viable method of government.

 

Crony capitalism has no place in a free market, and that's what overregulation leads to - Obama's hands are blacker than soot in that regard.

 

I know, I know - have a heart! Well, gotta have your head on straight if you're to make your heart effective. Courage is tempered by wisdom. The generally accepted term of democrat is painted with great intentions, but intentions dont mean a whole hell of a lot when the result is pure garbage and basically contrary to the stated intention.

 

People need to be taught to rely on themselves and not the government. Sick or infirm, ok, but if you are able in the least, you should not be sucking off of society.

 

Yup, the tea party's a bunch of fascists though Ad Hominem, the last refuge of those whom have no argument of any substantial value. Good to see you, Ralis

[realfastcat]

When I first heard that Rick Perry was running for president. I did have a thought pass through my mind

"Is Rick Perry the Devil!?!?" Even if that is setting the bar rather highly.

The Devil willing to be a US President? IMO that might be a huge demotion. But if The Devil was willing to

be the US President. What an oppotunity for us for some real leadership!

 

Here is some superb insight from Marblehead.

Well, considering that the United States is already a fascist state I suppose the people will be electing a fascist to govern it.

 

And remember, the voters were promised change by the Democrats and there have been none. Same ole shit.

 

I really got a chuckle when the first moment Obama could have exercised his "transparency" he chose to go behind closed doors.

 

starwdog65

"Whatever happened to the separation of church and state?"

Excellent question! Of course we could just abolish both of them. It would be best if we could at least weaken both of them. They are both obviously insanely sick institutions. Little wonder that we need Obama sick care.

 

Dainin

"For what it's worth, Perry has been vetted by the Bilderberg Group"

This is a great seal of approval! You almost act as if the Bilderberg Group is a bad thing??

Do you have any understanding of what our world would be like without the Bilderburg Group?

They are the necessary tryanny George Bush 41 spoke of. The operative word is necessary.

 

thelerner

"That said, he has almost no chance."

Rewind to 1992 when so many said the exact same thing about Perot. How many said they would have voted for Perot if they thought he had a chance. Yet he still got 20% of the vote.

 

bubbles

"Unfortunately free thinking and free voting doesn't equal critical thinking and humanism."

Correct.

 

joeblast

" that morphine drip."

When actually did the Drip begin? I suggest it was 1992 at the latest and perhaps sooner.

Potato chips or Computer chips? Didn't we settle for the Potato chips? Didn't we send the

Computer chips to China? Remember that "huge sucking noise" ?

And

"People need to be taught to rely on themselves and not the government. Sick or infirm, ok, but if you are able in the least, you should not be sucking off of society."

Amen Brother ( I partly say this as to Trunk's thought that this is partly spiritual)

 

vortex

UNLESS Rick Perry is The Devil,

Maybe the Devil has a checkered past BUT how much do we really know about it?

We are little mushrooms , kept in the dark and fed a steady diet of shit.

[joeblast]

1992 ROFL...you're about sixty years shy, man! perhaps even 80, going back to the shady creation of the fed and the origination of midnight congressional voting. (funny enough, those two presidents are heralded as the two best presidents evah, per the textbooks...it must just be a coincidence )

 

all perot did was make bush lose.

 

obama is a blessing in disguise - nobody believed how corrupt politicians are, how fake the fed is, how partisan grandstanding doesnt address real issues (or race for that matter), or that both sides have a ton of bad apples and will sell anything for the right price.

 

no poor man ever got held up because a rich man was penalized for making too much. tons of poor people have been held up because a rich man got an idea moving that made a living for the lot of them. if you dont believe in laffer, you dont believe in empirical reality

[zerostao]

1992 ROFL...you're about sixty years shy, man! perhaps even 80, going back to the shady creation of the fed and the origination of midnight congressional voting. (funny enough, those two presidents are heralded as the two best presidents evah, per the textbooks...it must just be a coincidence )

 

all perot did was make bush lose.

 

obama is a blessing in disguise - nobody believed how corrupt politicians are, how fake the fed is, how partisan grandstanding doesnt address real issues (or race for that matter), or that both sides have a ton of bad apples and will sell anything for the right price.

 

no poor man ever got held up because a rich man was penalized for making too much. tons of poor people have been held up because a rich man got an idea moving that made a living for the lot of them. if you dont believe in laffer, you dont believe in empirical reality

 

 

i had no idea you were that old ?? but still naive? cmon man your "nobody believed" statement.

tongue in cheek , maybe?

 

i reckon then it was mission accomplished for perot.

 

all reality especially imperical reality is subjective. i do think it is prudent to consider and examine emperical data.

laffer is a curve ball constructed by thought experiment. however there are many curves that could satisfy the boundary conditions in regards to tax rates. little can be said without further assumptions about the empiracal data. one hypothical of the laffer curve is that the ideal rate would be 70% . i am not an economist but that seems a bit harsh to me. the curve is often depicted in a parabolic model, however there is no reason for this as my assumption is that the range would be anywhere from 0% to 100%.

i could point out that this is on taxable income only and that either a 0% or a 100% tax rate has no effect on me.

i would also add that if the tax rate was 100% for all working americans and that for some reason they decided to continue to work and pay that rate. we would still not be able to pay off our national debt.

but we could still mangae to pay the interest

laffer himself said that in SOME circumstances a reduction of tax rates would actually increase govet revenues. ( i almost puked typint the word govet, ack ) LAFFER SAID> that the curve should not be the sole basis for raising or lowering tax rates.

 

as to if obama is a blessing in disguise or if perry is the devil? i have no concerns either way. well the devil may care but i sure dont.

in regards to economists i favor William Evevett Preston

[joeblast]

of course 'nobody' was an extrapolation! just more to the point that it was less widely known, these days there is such an information blast that it really helps make things more and more transparent - history is history, its got to be told as it is and not embellished, the speed of information is facilitating that hugely.

 

I hope the end result is to make them honest, because if they can no longer hide things, then either fly the ship straight or somebody else is piloting.

 

 

 

mission accomplished for perot would have been winning the prize - he was well confident enough, perhaps the result might have been different if he never dropped out and came back - which, he never should have come back, once you're out, you're out, and all that resulted was a splitting of votes with a minor percentage coming from the D.

 

 

 

 

 

yeah, laffer's a generalization, but a succinct one. taxes too low and there really winds up being more good that the government can provide; taxes too high simply discourages investment and drives business elsewhere. you want less of something, tax and regulate it. of course, that's not to say the stated intention is to have less commerce, but in practice that is the end result - a lot of places have forgotten that they actually have to attract businesses to their locality, and having policies that stifle and penalize simply makes it less likely for people to want to do business there.

 

a dollar publicly spent is a dollar and change taken privately, although certain things do over time help facilitate the flow of business, traffic and such...but there's a whole ton of other stuff that is a black hole for money.

 

businesses have been leaving CA at the rate of about 5 per week for the last year or longer, for those very reasons.

 

CEO of intel cited the additional one billion in costs to build a plant in CA. only about...15% of which (iirc) was attributed to labor costs, the rest, almost all taxes and regulatory compliance costs.

 

and we wonder (and bitch) about having support from India all that additional tax & regulation is also a gift to these other countries - we made it so expensive for them to do business that it made sense to move across the ocean. you cant chase 'em with a stick any more efficiently!

 

although, state to state is more of a closer worry, because there are states that have business friendly climates.

 

empirical reality is empirical reality how's california, illinois, new york, new jersey, connecticut.....and how's texas, north dakota, utah, south carolina...? its pretty simple, dont beat your folks up and they prosper. dont prop up those who dont need propping up.

 

"The more riddled a tax system is with politically motivated preferences the less likely it is that business decisions will be made in response to market forces."

 

which means the business has less ability to respond to the market forces themselves.

 

 

where has milton friedman reincarnated? or von mises, for that matter

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

Let's cut through all the bullshit facade and get straight to the meat and bones of the point of politics:

 

 

How do WE THE PEOPLE

"Use the system" to fight for our rights and protect the constitution, when the system in question has been manipulated and altered to the point that it protects itself, not the people; How do we fix a government that has stripped us of the power to legally do so?

 

 

Wake up and smell the bullshit.

 

We cant fix our country within our country's own "system" and/or laws. We can only organize outside of the system-within the country.

[joeblast]

How do we the people protect the constitution? By electing leaders who will do as such. Not electing "leaders" based on whomever will spread the most largess from the treasury.

 

So in other words, the pace of change, while always nonzero, moves glacially at times.

 

Anarchy is preposterous; it would take a mile-sized asteroid to "get us out of the system" we're currently in. Its framework is sound, it just needs to be followed.

 

You sound like you've been listening to a little too much rage against the machine!

[zerostao]

"How do we the people protect the constitution? By electing leaders who will do as such. Not electing "leaders" based on whomever will spread the most largess from the treasury. "

 

i agree 100% obviously it is high time to just soak the rich

and in a democracy , what else could be expected? the overwhelming majority of folks,

some who even frivolosly cast their vote, thinking that they can make a difference. are not the rich

, at some point they will decide to vote in their economic interests.

 

the rich won't mind having the money redstributed as i have heard them say over

and over again. if we divided up the money all equally- in 6 months time the rich will be rich again.

and i agree . i do subscribe to a trickle up theory. the trickle down theory never quite works out.

the poor folks let go of their funds , the rich do not. so it will all balance back out.

and now more than ever we need the rich to become involved and innovative.

i think to encourage their innovation give them an incentive.

 

i personally dont care for Mr. Warren Buffett but i know most rich do worship him, so now that he has spoken,

it is clear which way to go on this. and it is the more civil way to go , i think.

 

and

"Anarchy is preposterous; it would take a mile-sized asteroid to "get us out of the system"

 

i disagree. the problem i see however , is that too many folks are not (cap)able to step away from their

(sickness) dependency on having big brother or uncle sugar be so conviently there to provide all the needs and wants. for me that type of government is preposterous and evil. it is not compassion to take away the masses(sheep) ability to care or fend for themselves.

the beat goes on, things stay on pace

http://www2.volstate.edu/geades/FinalDocs/1970s&beyond/malaise.htm

 

to get back on topic

Is rick Perry the Devil? will someone please show me one politician who is not in league with the devil.

 

i am not a pessismist. on a day when the detroit lions, the buffalo bills, and the cleveland browns all won,

i do realize anything is possible