Protector Posted September 17, 2011 As a Daoist I believe in destiny I believe in free will I believe in free will and destiny I believe in neither Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted September 17, 2011 As a Daoist I believe in destiny I believe in free will I believe in free will and destiny I believe in neither  I believe in both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) What Free Will is: The intrinsic ability within all matter to make decisions within the framework of their body/being. Â (a single cell's choices are much more vastly limited than an organ's and their choices, as all choices, are limited to the capabilities of the body and it's needs for survival) Â What Free Will does: It keeps the Shen from becoming stagnant. Without free will, the experience becomes so predictable that there would be no point in partaking, and all matter would convert to pure immaterial energy. Â (Free will stirs soup.) Â Fate: An unpredictable choice leading to a slightly more predictable outcome. Â destiny: The conglomeration of choices leading to a binding outcome. the more fates you have, the more accurate the prediction. Â ((1+1) (+1) (+2) (+3) (+5) (+8) (+13) (+21) (+34) (+55) (+89) (+144) (+233) (+377) (+610) (+987) (+1597) (/987=) note, each (equation) is an individual fate, not a multiplier) Â WHY IS ALL OF THIS? Â Because you cant have one part without all other parts. remove just one piece of the equation and it all goes back to immaterial energy and we have to start from chicken scratch. In nothingness comes awareness, comes consciousness, comes creativity. Â The creation is inevitable, so why not make it worth while; after all if it werent worth it, we'd revert to void, since that's not much different than something completely predictable. Â Infinity (1); eternity is a fact. Edited September 17, 2011 by Hot Nirvana Judo Trend Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XieJia Posted September 17, 2011 The Dao is free but does it have will. For things under Heaven, they have function but does it have fate? Â The Free, The Will, The Fated... What a concept... Â Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) Nice post. Â Just wondering why you threw this in though. Hehehe. Â Infinity (1); eternity is a fact. Â Yes, infinity is a fact (at least in our mind). Eternity though? Eternity of what? Never mind. To talk to this would take us way off topic. Edited September 17, 2011 by Marblehead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan Posted September 17, 2011 Infinity, eternity, everlastingness, they are indistinguishable. Â Â Infinity is not numerical, it is..... isness; eternity. Â Â The two statements are the same, paraphrased. Â (1) refers to the computer toggle options 1/0 Â Or is it infinity (2)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) Or is it infinity (2)? Â One gave birth to two; Two gave birth to three; Three gave birth to the ten thousand things. Â And we all know that there are more than ten thousand things. Â Trillion has become a commonly used numerical value now-a-days. Â But we all have free will within the confinements of our individual limitations. Â And I know this: the older we get the fewer choices we have. Â Therefore, do it while you are young lest you run out of options during old age. Â Now! Where the heck did I put my free will? Edited September 17, 2011 by Marblehead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XieJia Posted September 18, 2011 Lol , we lose it when we see the choices and make them didn't we. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted September 18, 2011 Lol , we lose it when we see the choices and make them didn't we. Â Hehehe. Yep. Once we have made a choice and acted on it the free will is all gone for that condition. New game! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Protector Posted September 18, 2011 I believe in both. All 8 of them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enishi Posted September 18, 2011 In one sense free will could be seen as an illusion, just as the perception of being a wholly separate entity is an illusion. Â On the other hand, respecting this "illusion" in some form is pretty much the core of all morality. Only an individual has the right to give up their own free will illusion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites