Apocalypse Culture

[三江源]

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Edited March 22, 2015 by 三江源

[manitou]

Ms. Weirdness checking in.

 

In the event that all is actually One and we are indeed the point of the spear through which the Order of Everything manifests...in essence, we are actually God,....my guess would be that the earth anomalies are the consequence of our own spiritual indigestion. The fact that things seem to be happening SO FAST now is because of the instantaneous nature of how we communicate with each other....worldwide now, instant, translated from one language to the other...this is like the Tower of Babel in reverse.

 

Man's consciousness is becoming more One all the time, like ants gathering to the queen. Polarized certainly, but it seems that so many different dynamics are coming to a head now. Racism, for example. We have racism at the very highest level in our country. That's our biggest problem right now...not the economy. It's the racism of the Rich White Man's club who just can't seem to accept a new color of president. And the world economy - now all our fates rest upon our combined fates, regardless of where in the world we live. We're all hooked together now. And the Arab Spring - and even the downtrodden vs. upper class in this country. Do we want to throw global warming in?

 

I'm thinking it's the condition of our consciousness that's the real problem. Our combined consciousness. Hate, greed, ugliness rule the day now. This is what we, the Creator, are manifesting.

 

The good thing is that there is so much good going on too - even the development of our own ideas (and ideals) on forums such as this - but the good stuff doesn't make the news. We just have to know that perfect alignment is indeed underlying everything, and that it will always win out in the end.

[phore]

If i understand the yogis correctly 2012 morks the beginning of the transition from the age of Kali Yuga to the Satya Yuga. While the Kali Yuga is an age patriarchal, immoral, ignorant, darkness. The Satya Yuga on the other hand is a golden age of creativity, abundance and enlightenment. The transition promises to be a bit shakey ( maybe some minor crisis as old systems shut down and new ones are set up)

 

The western astroligical calender calls this the transition from the Piscean age to the Aquarian age. The piscean age began with the incarnation of the Sun God (Yeshua) walking upon earth and sacrificing fish. He also predicted the coming of the Aquarian age by informing his disciples to find a man bearing water in the center of town and ask to be let into his house. (You can read a botched version of this story in the bible or an accurate explanation from Manly P. Hall)

 

From what i understand the coming age should be a return to nature, equality, and spirituality. It may be the end of a very shallow and meaningless world.

We should all get on the ball and prepare in my opinion. Maybe some minor food shortages and some y2k like failures if the grid goes down (banks and electronics)

I personally am excited about this golden age though. Let us clean our souls.

[markern]

Great thread!

 

A releated point: THe apolcalyptically minded people always talk about how much war there is but we are probably living in the age in human history with the least amount of war and violence. Analysis of skeletons from prehistoric times show that between 20-40% of them have signs of injury from weapons. But you don`t need to get your skull or skeleton injured to die from weapons, an arrow that does not crush bown or a knife cut in the stomach will still kill you so A LOT more than the 20-40% died in combat. This actually roughly matches the number of deaths from war or murder in the supposedly peacefull tribes arround the world today. THe chance of a male member of a tribe in the amazon dying in war with another tribe today is greater than for a european man dying during world war 2. IN addition to this by studying our DNA scientists have calculated that while 80% of women on average had children in each generation only 40% of the men did. There are several things that could have contributed to this. To some degree there would ahve been societies were some men had more than one wife while some had to except lifelong celibacy. I find it totally implausible though that large groups of men would have accepted that without using banding togeether to use violence to get a woman so the most plausbile explanation to me is that the 60% of men who did not have children mostly died in war for other reasons or fighting over women with men who tried to monoplize women. Either way they almost certainly died violently and did not life peacefull celibate lives. IN addition to this researchers who study war have found steady declines in how large a percentage of the poppulation that dies in war each year trhoughout recorded history up til now. Sure there have been ups and downs but the general trend has been that for every couple of hundred years that passed less people died. THe last few hundred years have, totally contrary to what people in generall and new age people especially believe, been the most peacefull. THe last century probably was teh least violent century in human history. Certainly in recorded history but probably for at least as long as we have been pressed for territory. THe level of violence during world war 2 reflected the average violence througout human history not an extreme increase.

 

If you are interested in precise numbers and references for this stuff look it up yourself. It would take me a couple of hours of googling and I don`t have time but I encourage others to do so. It would be a nice corrective.

[manitou]

I was brought up biblically, but I couldn't be further away from that mindset at this point in my life. But I do have a few conjectures on things like the Revelations of St. John.

 

I have to get metaphysical here.

 

Einstein proved, in essence, that linear time is an illusion by his theory of relativity. Therefore the reality is that time is all here and now, but it has the appearance of being linear. I think a great metaphor is a deck of cards. If you were a teeny person and standing next to a deck of cards, you'd be able to look straight up and see the card edges, a glimpse of each one. But if a huge honking hand fanned all the cards out into a figure 8, the infinity symbol, the metaphor would be one day at a time. Linear and endless in appearance and form.

 

Getting back to the prophecy thing, I don't discount hallucinogens as being the reason for the prophecies in the bible or any other tome. God knows hallucinogens have been the pathway for many an important vision upon which tribes would organize their culture; we've all heard of Black Elk and his prophecies and visions - I'm guessing that the tribal way for these visions was through shrooms or something similar. It is even conjectured by some on the internet (I don't know how proven this is) that the anointing oils used during the biblical anointments usually contained hemp oil among other things. Perhaps the usage of these oils led to visions and hallucinations and could possibly explain Revelations and other such prophecies.

 

Getting back to current prophecies, what if someone like John was momentarily able to glimpse the edge of the deck of cards - whether from meditation, substance, or whatever? The time we're living in might explain why he 'saw' so much war (even though, as Markern says, it is actually proportionally less than just about any other violent time in history). This is a good point. But what if the edge of one of the cards that John saw was actually a vision of our current media reporting? We see this stuff 24/7 now, on occasion - and maybe John's vision actually captured a glimpse of the rapidity of our current pace of living? Like some big huge TV? Plus, throw in the fact that our communications are instantaneous now; in essence, we've turned the whole world into 'here and now' with our mass media capabilities. It would have been seen by him as rampantly as we get to witness it on TV and as rapidly as it all seems to be happening.

 

Everybody has the potential to be on the same page now, at each moment in time. A type of Oneness has been achieved, at least in the arena of communication. What a trip it is living in these particular times.

[Seth Ananda]

If i understand the yogis correctly 2012 morks the beginning of the transition from the age of Kali Yuga to the Satya Yuga. While the Kali Yuga is an age patriarchal, immoral, ignorant, darkness. The Satya Yuga on the other hand is a golden age of creativity, abundance and enlightenment. The transition promises to be a bit shakey ( maybe some minor crisis as old systems shut down and new ones are set up)

 

The western astroligical calender calls this the transition from the Piscean age to the Aquarian age. The piscean age began with the incarnation of the Sun God (Yeshua) walking upon earth and sacrificing fish. He also predicted the coming of the Aquarian age by informing his disciples to find a man bearing water in the center of town and ask to be let into his house. (You can read a botched version of this story in the bible or an accurate explanation from Manly P. Hall)

 

From what i understand the coming age should be a return to nature, equality, and spirituality. It may be the end of a very shallow and meaningless world.

We should all get on the ball and prepare in my opinion. Maybe some minor food shortages and some y2k like failures if the grid goes down (banks and electronics)

I personally am excited about this golden age though. Let us clean our souls.

sorry Phore, but the Kali yuga lasts at least another 1000 years. that is as straight as can be. The Veda's were very very precise in there dates. The only people who have said that 2012 equals the end of the Kali Yuga are Newage channelers {BS} and dodgy yogi's who want to increase their western audience but sprouting newage bs, and pretending that that is traditional stuff that the yogi's have always known.

[Seth Ananda]

 

 

Everybody has the potential to be on the same page now, at each moment in time. A type of Oneness has been achieved, at least in the arena of communication. What a trip it is living in these particular times.

Sorry as well manitou, but this is a horribly westercentric perspective. your Everybody does not include kids in Somalia, the Sudan, Afghanistan and a host of other places.

Are you seriously suggesting that because we {in westernised countries} have a tun of environmentally destructive gadgets that increase our communication ability, that we are somehow more spiritual? I hope not...

[Seth Ananda]

I see that it keeps popping up in this thread as well.

 

When someone like Greg Braden, is suddenly an authority on future events, alarm bells should start ringing.

 

I guess I am lucky having grown up in an apocalyptic cult. It helped me see the dynamic early on. But when we face changes {serious ones} it seems many 'need' stories and prophecy's to take some of the stress of.

 

Back to my original point though, when the world is needing serious action to set things straight, and half of us are sitting back waiting for Jesus or Aliens or 2012 to come do everything for us, then... bad news...

 

We are heading for some serious shit {my prophesy lol} and we are the only ones who will have to fix it.

[三江源]

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Edited March 22, 2015 by 三江源

[manitou]

Sorry as well manitou, but this is a horribly westercentric perspective. your Everybody does not include kids in Somalia, the Sudan, Afghanistan and a host of other places.

Are you seriously suggesting that because we {in westernised countries} have a tun of environmentally destructive gadgets that increase our communication ability, that we are somehow more spiritual? I hope not...

 

 

You're absolutely right. I should have said everybody with a TV has the potential.....

I'm afraid that the forces that determine what direction our communal fate is taking generally do have TV's, I'm betting. No, the starving kids in Somalia probably aren't on the same page, you're right. But inadvertently, because of our newfangled gadgets, our Awareness of the starving kids in Somalia is increasing and the world seems to be undergoing huge financial crises which could, at some point, be the answer for the starving Somalia kids. I kind of like one of MSNBC's anchors (can't remember his name at this moment, but he identifies as a socialist)....we don't need a political solution to such things as health care. We need a global solution. Assumedly this would overflow to feeding of people as well.

 

We are the starving kids in Somalia. They are the other side of us. As are the so-called 'terrorists' in Pakistan or Afghanistan (actually, it seems to me that they're more like people trying to protect their own country from a bunch of bullies across the world). Mass communication hopefully will result in the entire world population being elevated, which would be a nice end-run goal for the forces that Be, of which we are all a part.

 

Mass communication is either going to hurl us all over the abyss, because of the simultaneous awareness worldwide....or be instrumental in administering the answer. The answer that benefits all of humanity, not just the white cream at the top.

[phore]

Have you guys heard f the galactic superwave theory. IT seems to suggest that a lot of cosmic radiation could be on the way at some point in time.

Galactic superwave

 

All the dates ive found on kali yuga are completely different. It makes me wonder, does anybody really know what time it is?

[gendao]

Oh that's interesting! Have you worked with him? I know a bunch of people who have done so who said they had phenomenal power access when with him.

What does that mean, exactly? Like he actually has a powerful teaching presence and gives some sort of energetic transmission?

[Clarity]

sorry Phore, but the Kali yuga lasts at least another 1000 years. that is as straight as can be. The Veda's were very very precise in there dates. The only people who have said that 2012 equals the end of the Kali Yuga are Newage channelers {BS} and dodgy yogi's who want to increase their western audience but sprouting newage bs, and pretending that that is traditional stuff that the yogi's have always known.

 

Not according to Sri Yukteswarji. In the "Holy Science" he states clearly that the dates are incorrect and miscalculated. According to his calculations, we began to transition out of the Kali Yuga a few hundred years ago. He says the original mistake "...crept into almanacs for the first time about 700 B.C. during the reign of Raja Parikshit, just after the completion of the last Descending Dwapara Yuga."

 

Regardless, humanity has suffered from misinterpretation, misinformation, and wrong answers for thousands of years now. This is all changing right now.

 

The prognosticators are almost always wrong.

 

Here's the last paragraph from the introduction to the Holy Science by Swami Sri Yujteswar Giri.

 

"Now, in this 194th year of Dwapara Yuga, the dark age of Kali having long since passed, the world is reaching out for spiritual knowledge, and men require loving help one from the other. The publishing of this book, requested from me by my hold paramguru maharaj Babaji, will, I hope, be of spiritual service."

 

-Serampore, West Bengal

The 26th Falgun, 194 Dwapara

(A.D. 1894)

[Seth Ananda]

Not according to Sri Yukteswarji. In the "Holy Science" he states clearly that the dates are incorrect and miscalculated. According to his calculations, we began to transition out of the Kali Yuga a few hundred years ago. He says the original mistake "...crept into almanacs for the first time about 700 B.C. during the reign of Raja Parikshit, just after the completion of the last Descending Dwapara Yuga."

 

Regardless, humanity has suffered from misinterpretation, misinformation, and wrong answers for thousands of years now. This is all changing right now.

 

The prognosticators are almost always wrong.

 

Here's the last paragraph from the introduction to the Holy Science by Swami Sri Yujteswar Giri.

 

"Now, in this 194th year of Dwapara Yuga, the dark age of Kali having long since passed, the world is reaching out for spiritual knowledge, and men require loving help one from the other. The publishing of this book, requested from me by my hold paramguru maharaj Babaji, will, I hope, be of spiritual service."

 

-Serampore, West Bengal

The 26th Falgun, 194 Dwapara

(A.D. 1894)

Hmm I would have to see how he arrived at his conclusions. I do not myself remember the date it is supposed to change, as it is many years since I hung around hard core Vedic practitioners, or cared about such things, but i do remember the lectures clearly stating that the first accounts historically In the oldest Veda's that first describe the Kali Yuga all say it lasts... a long time [lol]... and it would be 1000+ years again till we start to come out of it...

[Seth Ananda]

Oh that's interesting! Have you worked with him? I know a bunch of people who have done so who said they had phenomenal power access when with him.

 

I'd love to know what you dont agree with re. his presentation of earth changes.

Hehe, read his books been to his presentations, [a long time ago].

 

And, new agers have 'powerful' experiences seeing David Ike, Jim Jones, Max, and channeled pleadians...

 

The one common denominator here is the new agers themselves, who will have a powerful experience with anything they have paid for, or that validates what they already believe!

[三江源]

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Edited March 22, 2015 by 三江源

[Clarity]

Hmm I would have to see how he arrived at his conclusions. I do not myself remember the date it is supposed to change, as it is many years since I hung around hard core Vedic practitioners, or cared about such things, but i do remember the lectures clearly stating that the first accounts historically In the oldest Veda's that first describe the Kali Yuga all say it lasts... a long time [lol]... and it would be 1000+ years again till we start to come out of it...

 

Right, that is what the old texts say. What he says (in a nutshell) is because the astrologers were under the influence of the Kali Yuga, their calculations were incorrect. He actually lays out how he arrives at this conclusion in the book:

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35297919/Sri-Yukteswar-The-Holy-Science

 

I would not really venture to argue about the dates. We just want to be strong to all of the misinterpretation, misinformation, and wrong answers.

[三江源]

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Edited March 22, 2015 by 三江源

[Seth Ananda]

I seriously wouldnt think to argue with Sri Yuktweswar.

 

 

No way,no how.

 

Nice contribution, Clarity, thankyou. "Holy Science"... love that book.

Hehe, I would rather argue with Shri Yukteshwar that with the Rishi's who wrotee the Vedas...

 

I think Shri Yukteshwar had his own agenda for making those claims, and If I remember rightly {I do not know, Its been a long time} the Vedas were supposed to have be written before the Kali Yuga, you know, back when Gods were still walking the earth and one could practice austerities for 4 thousand years to get deep Insight...

 

lol, not that I believe that either, But in terms of a date, the Rishi's wrote the Vedas, which started the whole Hindu religion/s so they are far more credible on Hindu subjects than one yogi who grows up within Hinduism and claims something differently because he wants it to be that way.

To make it clear, I do not actually believe in the Kali Yuga, But the Veda's state that when the Kali Yuga ends, the Gods will be able to walk the earth again and hang out with us humans.

It paints a picture like, I wake up in the morning, yawn, walk out the front for some sun, and their is my neighbour Vishnu watering his front lawn and standing about looking Awesome!

Thats the end of the Kali Yuga.

 

Seth.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

 

I really wish everyone who makes these claims that 'something' will happen were held accountable when it doesn't happen. At the very least we should be able to line them all up and then get to point at them, shouting "HA HA HA YOU were WRONG!"

 

 

 

I'd love that! It'd be great to put it on live international TV and share it with the world

[Clarity]

To make it clear, I do not actually believe in the Kali Yuga, But the Veda's state that when the Kali Yuga ends, the Gods will be able to walk the earth again and hang out with us humans.

It paints a picture like, I wake up in the morning, yawn, walk out the front for some sun, and their is my neighbour Vishnu watering his front lawn and standing about looking Awesome!

Thats the end of the Kali Yuga.

 

Seth.

 

I'm here, I'm walking, and now I'm hanging out. Wow, this is pretty cool! Who knew it would be so easy?

[Protector]

[Birch]

Hehe, I would rather argue with Shri Yukteshwar that with the Rishi's who wrotee the Vedas...

 

I think Shri Yukteshwar had his own agenda for making those claims, and If I remember rightly {I do not know, Its been a long time} the Vedas were supposed to have be written before the Kali Yuga, you know, back when Gods were still walking the earth and one could practice austerities for 4 thousand years to get deep Insight...

 

lol, not that I believe that either, But in terms of a date, the Rishi's wrote the Vedas, which started the whole Hindu religion/s so they are far more credible on Hindu subjects than one yogi who grows up within Hinduism and claims something differently because he wants it to be that way.

To make it clear, I do not actually believe in the Kali Yuga, But the Veda's state that when the Kali Yuga ends, the Gods will be able to walk the earth again and hang out with us humans.

It paints a picture like, I wake up in the morning, yawn, walk out the front for some sun, and their is my neighbour Vishnu watering his front lawn and standing about looking Awesome!

Thats the end of the Kali Yuga.

 

Seth.

 

 

Er, Seth, aren't the Yugas more descriptive metaphors of stages of a person's awakening?

Like an actual person could do this, go through all the Yugas and get to the end where he/she realises Vishu is, um everywhere and he/she is also actually Vishu? Y'know, that old stuff.

 

Which is why IMO Clarity winked. Hi Clarity

[Seth Ananda]

Er, Seth, aren't the Yugas more descriptive metaphors of stages of a person's awakening?

Like an actual person could do this, go through all the Yugas and get to the end where he/she realises Vishu is, um everywhere and he/she is also actually Vishu? Y'know, that old stuff.

 

Which is why IMO Clarity winked. Hi Clarity

lol, jesus, I wish you had asked me questions like this back when I retained Vedic Knoledge, as now I can only say the 'gist' of what I remember and that does not even Include from which Veda?

lol.

 

But in short to your question, no[at least in part]. The Vedas were written in a time when People believed quite literally in the Gods and cycles of Time were quite literally the play of the Gods giving us epic cycles of bliss then epic cycles of Ignorance...

 

But one Vedic teaching described the many levels that the Vedas should be Interpreted by. One is Literal history, but one level is also as a Inner metaphore, but it warned against only seeing it as a metaphore, as being a path to Ignorance and a warning of the presence of the Kali Yuga. In the Kali Yuga, people on mass cease to believe in the gods, even if they are religious, they have uncertainty... that because they don't see vishnu watering his front lawn...

[Birch]

Do the Vedas really mention lawns???

If so then all bets are off.

Still, I feel scared talking about Vishnu in this manner. I think that's weird in itself.

Ah, how a little indoctrination goes a long way!