DNA Evidence Rocks the Boat

[Immortal4life]

DNA Evidence Rocks the Boat

 

Our Forgotten History-

 

Scify channel documentary on Human Origins-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0cTL5R5e-s

 

Not all modern humans originate from Africa, 110,000 year old Asian man found in China, the Yellow people originated seperately from the Black people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQgcqtBICAU

 

Haplogroup X fits with theory of Atlantis, does not fit at all with conventional theories-

 

Blood types dont fit with evolution-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJIDoUkBJ44

 

Human Origins-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPJvbPKKIks

 

More about the Basques, Berbers, and Haplogroup X-

 

What blood type are you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzDX_Ps1UGk&NR=1

 

Origins of the Human Races

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sd00Uj07HQ

 

DNA doesnt fit with evolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpFZMROeHEI&feature=related

 

The Original Human form, the original Human body was the most perfect vehicle and form ever known on this planet. Possibly ever known in the universe.

 

The original body was perfect harmony, completeness, and wholeness. More etheric in nature than material. We orginally did not consist of individual males and females, but rather contained both polarities existing inside the body. Each polarity, or sex, simply being the inner and outer forms, and the outflowing and inflowing parts of the Human being. In this form we existed in a state of perfect health and harmony, all the channels of energy, inflowing energy and outflowing energy, nourished the body and all its parts.

 

Descent-

 

Formation of Chakras, to maintain consciousness of the higher planes while in the material world-

 

Formation of the Human Body, Adam Kadmon-

 

 

However, within the Earth plane, some of us became attached to materiality, sensation, and our focus came to be on self, rather than giving energy freely to all. As we gained more karma, as we attracted more physical matter to our consciousness, and became more attached to and stuck in the material world, a division came to be. Our inflowing components, and outflowing components seperated, and there came to be Human males, and Human females-

 

Soon after the seperation of the sexes or polarities, we seperated into the 5 peoples.

 

The people we are descended from, appeared in 5 places of the Earth, The White in Carpathia, Yellow in the Gobi, The Black in Upper Africa or Egypt, The Brown in India or portions of Lemuria, and the Red in portions of Americas and Atlantis, who themselves all descended from, and literally seperated from, more etheric beings in Atlantis which existed in the Earth plane as long ago as 200,000 BC.

 

 

 

DNA evidence is consistent with the existence of Atlantis and pre-historic civilizations. This is where our true histories and true origins are. For a long time, there have been 2 theories taught in schools that just don't add up. With modern DNA evidence we can in fact know that they are wrong. The first theory we can see is wrong, is that Native Americans did not cross the Bering straight and did not evolve out of Siberians. Native Americans are the red people, what they are is a mixture of all the other peoples, white, yellow, black, and brown. The other one, is that we can now know that all human beings did not originate in Africa. Isolated groups of people and genetic drift can show us that all humans did not come out of Africa and Native Americans did not come out of Siberians.

 

After the destruction of Atlantis in 10,500 BC, some Atlanteans escaped to continue their work around the world. Areas the Atlanteans migrated to were Egypt, the Yucatan, Tibet, The Gobi desert, The Pyrenees, and parts of the Americas including Atlanteans who eventually became the Iroquois tribe and the Mound Builder people in North America.

 

In 1997 a new genetic Haplogroup was discovered, the Haplogroup X. It was so shocking to researchers because it did not fit their theories about human migrations at the end of the ice age. What Haplogroup X was consistent with, was the migration patterns of the Atlanteans after the destruction of Atlantis in 10,500 BC.

 

Analysis of Basque DNA, existence of Atlantis completely viable

Basque DNA

 

DNA Evidence for Atlantis: Beyond the Bering Strait - DNA Evidence Rocks the Boat

DNA evidence for Atlantis

Genetic analysis on Native American DNA samples began in the 1980s. However, the research effort greatly accelerated in the 1990s due to rapid technological progress in the field. In fact, the early results confirmed the generally accepted theory showing a clear link between Native Americans and DNA samples collected from native peoples in Siberian-Asia. Nevertheless, as the studies both deepened and broadened to include Asians across the continent, the increasing data revealed that the migration pattern had been more complex than anthropologist's had envisioned.

 

The early results showed that Native American tribes were comprised of four distinct mtDNA haplogroups, A, B, C, and D. The haplogroup designations represent four different (maternal) lineages. These four lineages are found throughout North, Central and South America. However, only three of them A, C, and D were discovered in the Siberian-Asian populations. The B haplogroup was traced to aboriginal population groups in Southeast Asia, China, Japan, Melanesia, and Polynesia.

 

Before proceeding we should briefly clarify what mtDNA is. There are two types of genetic material used for analysis, cellular and mtDNA, the latter is found in human mitochondia outside the nucleus of cells and is only transferred down generations through females, hence mtDNA stands for maternal DNA. This type is simpler than the cellular DNA and it evolves faster,so it is used to distinguish human groups that evolved in separate geographic areas.

 

Genetic researchers determined that 96% of Native Americans fell into one of the four A-D haplogroups and while these mtDNA types were also found in Asia they are not present in Europe or Africa. This too indicates that Asia was the ancestral region of most Native American tribes. Then in 1997 another lineage was discovered, which geneticists dubbed X. This discovery ignited a storm of controversy that has not died down to this day. The X haplogroup needs careful,thoughtful, and deep historical analysis because this group may well hold one of the most important keys to unlocking the secrets of our collective past.

 

Obviously about 4 percent of Native Americans, from Alaska to the tip of South America, do not fall into one of the four major haplogroups. Scientists assumed that these minority lineages came from interactions with European and African groups since the time of Columbus. This proved to be true for about 1.5% of Native Americans however 2.5% were found to belong to the X lineage. Once this small mtDNA group was identified as a distinct genetic type, the race was on to ascertain their place of origin.

 

This is where the mystery really gets complicated and interesting. In spite of the fact that the previous genetic data was forcing the orthodoxy to make some alterations in their migration scheme and chronology, as we saw their basic paradigm had been confirmed. But the discovery of the X haplogroup changed that situation dramatically. It was known to exist in Europe in about 5% of the population and unknown in Asia and Africa at the time. The X lineage was ascertained to have arrived in the Americas from about 38,000 to 10,000 years ago. What could this mean?

 

At first anthropologists argued that since Europeans had not traveled across the Atlantic at such a remote point in time the X group had to be the outcome of post Columbus contact and intermarriage. However when researchers analyzed ancient DNA samples, found in the Great Lakes (Mound Builder) region, which dated back long before Columbus they identified some of the samples as belonging to the X group. This proved they were not the outcome of any post-Columbus contact and were not of recent origin.

 

When investigators compiled the genetic data on the distribution of the X haplogroup in the America's what they discovered sent shock waves through the conventional and alternative history camps. The X lineage was only found in a handful of tribes scattered across the country, the Yakima and Sioux in the northwest and the Navajo in the southwest, in about 5% of their populations. However, the greatest concentrations by far occurred in the Ojibway, Oneota and Nuu-Chah-Nulth tribes where almost 25% of the tribal members fell into the X lineage.

 

Moreover, the vast majority of tribes contained no X members. In fact, it was not found in any native tribes in Central or South America. Again, what did these patterns mean? Independent researchers associated with the Edgar Cayce Association (A.R.E.) quickly pointed out that the data supported some of the material found in the Atlantis readings that the 'sleeping prophet' had given in the 1930s. Cayce noted that some Atlantis refugees had immigrated to the northeastern region of the United States and later formed the Iroquois nation. It was in those tribes that the highest concentration of the X haplogroup was found.

 

More evidence not all Humans originated in Africa-

The apparent widespread presence of the X lineage across what is now known as the United States appears to show a wide initial dispersal. One could postulate a west-east migration of this haplogroup from Siberian Asia. But that scenario poses two serious obstacles:1) the greatest concentration of this group is found in the northeastern region of the United States and 2) X is virtually absent in Asia.

 

Like a good detective novel, all of the clues had not been uncovered in the late 1990s when the X group had been identified and was being hotly debated. Geneticists pressed forward and launched a probe into the Altai tribe located in the Gobi desert and found the X lineage in small numbers. This is the only population in Asia that exhibits this haplogroup and as such they comprise a tiny, isolated genetic island. Orthodox anthropologists were elated when the news reached their ears. They seized on this finding as smoking gun proof that the X group in North America had its ancestral roots in Siberian Asia, end of story.

 

To say that this was an unscientific rush to a final conclusion that just happened to agree with their long held beliefs is an understatement. Let us pause and use logic and commonsense and try to walk through what we are being asked to accept. The Gobi Desert is about 8,000 miles from the northeastern section of the United States. We are being told that this tribe trekked that distance and transferred their genes from their ancestral homeland to the Great Lakes without depositing the X group genes in any other part of Asia, Alaska, Canada, and the region between Washington and the Northeast America.

 

Everyone agrees that any such migration would have taken place during the harshest of conditions since the Ice Age still held this entire region in its frigid grip. Furthermore, we are being asked to suspend our disbelief raised by the notion that a tiny tribe trekked these vast distances across a frozen landscape for unknown reasons. Why would any small tribe risk everything and wander half way around the globe during an ice age when they did not know what lay beyond the next horizon? In fact, anthropologists and historians know that this is not the way human tribes have operated since the dawn of time.

 

On February 16, 1932 Cayce related some information during a reading that is extraordinarily cogent to this unfolding genetic mystery story. When asked about the position of the continent of Atlantis he replied:

 

"The position the continent Atlantis occupied, is that as between the Gulf of Mexico on the one hand - and the Mediterranean upon the other. Evidences of this lost civilization are to be found in the Pyrenees and Morocco on the one hand, British Honduras, Yucatan and America upon the other."

 

Now, we must pick up the trail of clues on the other side of the Atlantic. Let us keep in mind that when Cayce gave this reading DNA had not yet been discovered and there was no such thing as mtDNA analysis. Nevertheless, he mentioned "evidences" in two specific locales, the Pyrenees, a mountain range sandwiched in between France and Spain where the Basques live, and Morocco where another ancient group, the Berbers resides. Astonishingly, these two populations contain the highest frequencies of the X lineage found in Europe and North Africa.

 

The Basques have long puzzled anthropologists, linguists and historians because, although they are Caucasian they do not fit in with the rest of the European populations. Their language is not related to any other tongue in the world. Prior to the advent of genetic research tools investigators used the ABO blood groups to study the relationships between human populations as well as their migration patterns. The Basques turned out to be unique in terms of blood types as well. As a population they contain the highest levels of Rh- 'O' negative blood in the world and among the lowest type B.

 

Now, what Cayce was suggesting is that some of the people that fled the sinking continent went west and settled and became the Iroquois. Others went east to the Iberian Peninsula then the Pyrenees (Basques), and the West Coast of North Africa then the Atlas Mountains (Berbers). Turning to the Berbers we find yet another group that contains the highest frequency of haplogroup X in the world. Is it a coincidence that these disparate peoples share a very rare mtDNA lineage?

 

It is unfortunate that the Berbers have never received much attention from science over the years. Here we have a Caucasian race living in North Africa of all places. Anthropologists dismissed them because they did not fit well into the 'Out of Africa' scenario and it was assumed that they had back immigrated southward from somewhere in Europe. However, that theory has been abandoned and scientists now accept the fact that they are an indigenous people, which they believe go back to the Stone Age. But how can this be we must ask since the rest of the continent below the Sahara is black African?

Edited October 9, 2011 by Immortal4life

[Immortal4life]

So no, humans did not all originate in Africa, only black people did. White people originated in Carpathia I believe, the Yellow in China, etc.

 

The X chromosome can support multi-regionalism

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/the-x-chromosome-in-population-genetics/

Taken together, these studies indicate an Out of Africa origin for modern humans. Individually, however, the studies point to diverse conclusions. For example, two studies reconstructed haplotypes in introns of X chromosome-linked genes, using chromosomes drawn from many populations around the world. The first study7 found a pattern that was strongly indicative of a recent expansion (and subsequent isolation by distance) of humans from a single geographical source. The chromosomes showed two common, old (200,000800,000 years) haplotypes with worldwide distribution, as well as many younger, derived haplotypes (~100,000 years old) with limited geographical distribution.Africa was identified as the probable source for the expansion on the basis of the higher genetic diversity there, and by the continued presence of the ancestral human haplotype (as determined by comparison with other primates). The second study44, on the other hand, found a pattern that was more consistent with multiregionalism.

 

More about why DNA doesn't prove humans came from africa, only some. 200,000 year old beta globin gene found only in Asians-

Archaic African and Asian lineages in the genetic ancestry of modern humans.

Archaic African and Asian lineages in the genetic ancestry of modern humans.

R M Harding, S M Fullerton, R C Griffiths, J Bond, M J Cox, J A Schneider, D S Moulin, and J B Clegg

MRC Molecular Haematology Unit, Institute of Molecular Medicine, John Radcliffe Hospital, Oxford, United Kingdom. [email protected]

 

Abstract

A 3-kb region encompassing the beta-globin gene has been analyzed for allelic sequence polymorphism in nine populations from Africa, Asia, and Europe. A unique gene tree was constructed from 326 sequences of 349 in the total sample. New maximum-likelihood methods for analyzing gene trees on the basis of coalescence theory have been used.

 

Characteristically Asian ancestry is estimated to be older than 200,000 years, suggesting that the ancestral hominid population at this time was widely dispersed across Africa and Asia. Patterns of beta-globin diversity suggest extensive worldwide late Pleistocene gene flow and are not easily reconciled with a unidirectional migration out of Africa 100,000 years ago and total replacement of archaic populations in Asia.

 

also

Science News Online (2/6/99): DNA's Evolutionary Dilemma

Templeton's views on human evolution spark heated debate. But reservations about the power of current DNA studies to describe human evolution are not uncommon.

 

Mountain, who views accumulated genetic evidence as moderately supportive of a recent African origin for humanity, still sees a pressing need for improved analyses of large DNA samples.

 

"Far too often, anthropological geneticists draw conclusions about human evolutionary history without testing hypotheses or exploring alternate models," Mountain remarks. "In some cases, this is because data are insufficient. In other cases, the immediate impression generated by the data blinds us to alternatives."

 

Hammer, who remains undecided on how modern humans evolved, suspects that investigators will increasingly experiment with statistical formulas for weighing the contributions of natural selection and other factors to DNA diversity.

 

"Over the next 10 years, more complex genetic models will emerge," Hammer says. "DNA research has not solved the mystery of human origins."

 

Israeli discovery forces scientists to re-examine evolution of modern man-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1341973/Did-humans-come-Middle-East-Africa-Scientists-forced-write-evolution-modern-man.html#ixzz19LdwueAT

Scientists could be forced to re-write the history of the evolution of modern man after the discovery of 400,000-year-old human remains.

 

Until now, researchers believed that homo sapiens, the direct descendants of modern man, evolved in Africa about 200,000 years ago and gradually migrated north, through the Middle East, to Europe and Asia.

 

Recently, discoveries of early human remains in China and Spain have cast doubt on the 'Out of Africa' theory, but no-one was certain

 

The new discovery of pre-historic human remains by Israeli university explorers in a cave near Ben-Gurion airport could force scientists to re-think earlier theories.

 

Archeologists from Tel Aviv University say eight human-like teeth found in the Qesem cave near Rosh HaAyin - 10 miles from Israels international airport - are 400,000 years old, from the Middle Pleistocene Age, making them the earliest remains of homo sapiens yet discovered anywhere in the world.

 

The size and shape of the teeth are very similar to those of modern man. Until now, the earliest examples found were in Africa, dating back only 200,000 years.

 

Other scientists have argued that human beings originated in Africa before moving to other regions 150,000 to 200,000 years ago.

 

Homo sapiens discovered in Middle Awash, Ethiopia, from 160,000 years ago were believed to be the oldest 'modern' human beings.

 

Other remains previously found in Israeli caves are thought to have been more recent and 80,000 to 100,000 years old

 

The findings of Professor Avi Gopher and Dr Ran Barkai of the Institute of Archeology at Tel Aviv University, published last week in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, suggest that modern man did not originate in Africa as previously believed, but in the Middle East.

 

The Qesem cave was discovered in 2000 and has been the focus of intense study ever since.

 

Along with the teeth the parts of the human skeleton that survive the longest the researchers found evidence of a sophisticated early human society that used sharpened flakes of stone to cut meat and other impressive prehistoric tools.

 

The Israeli scientists said the remains found in the cave suggested the systematic production of flint blades, the habitual use of fire, evidence of hunting, cutting and sharing of animal meat, and mining raw materials to produce flint tools from rocks below ground.

 

'A diversified assemblage of flint blades was manufactured and used,' the Tel Aviv scientists wrote, describing the tools they found in the cave.

'Thick-edged blades, shaped through retouch, were used for scraping semi-hard materials such as wood or hide, whereas blades with straight, sharp working edges were used to cut soft tissues.'

 

The explorers said they were continuing to investigate the cave and its contents, expecting to make more discoveries that would shed further light on human evolution in prehistoric times.

 

Archaeology proves OOA wrong-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12300228

So-called anatomically modern humans are thought to have emerged somewhere in Africa some 200,000 years ago.

 

They later spread out, migrating to other continents where they displaced the indigenous human groups such as the Neanderthals in Europe and the Denisovans in Asia.

 

DNA from the cell's powerhouses - or mitochondria - can be used as a "clock" for reconstructing the timing of human migrations. This is because mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) accumulates mutations, or changes, at a known rate.

 

Researchers used a dating technique that relies on when the tools were buried Studies of mtDNA had suggested a timing for the "Out of Africa" exodus of 60-70,000 years ago.

 

But scientists behind the latest study argue that the people who made tools at Jebel Faya 125,000 years ago are ancestral to humans living outside Africa today.

 

Professor Uerpmann said the estimates of time using genetic data were "very rough".

 

"The domestic dog was said to be 120,000 years old, and now it is 20,000. You can imagine how variable the genetic dating is," he explained.

 

Human Ancestors not Out of Africa-

http://www.articlesafari.com/2010/12/humans-not-out-of-africa/

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Study_Human_ancestors_not_out_of_Africa_999.html

 

More evidence against the theory that Native Americans crossed the Bering Straight from Siberia. Land Bridge Theory finished-

Scientific Theories

However, there are more and more scientists that are contesting the Beringia Land Bridge theory as the only means by which humans came to the Americas. In fact, some maintain that new evidence suggests that there were a variety of routes from different directions that were possibly taken by groups of ancient peoples. Others have disproved the theory of migration through the ice-free corridor at the times when travel was assumed to have taken place.

 

Geologist Alejandra Duk-Rodkin of the Geological Survey of Canada has completed extensive research of the Mackenzie River Valley, the area commonly assumed to be where an ice-free corridor was open for ancient peoples to walk through. She has found strong evidence to prove that this journey was not possible without the aid of boats between 30,000 to 10,000BP. Read about the results of her research in Chapter 21 The Corridor That Wasnt in Bones: Discovering the First Americans by Elaine Dewar (Toronto: Random House Canada, 2001).

 

And Monte Verde disproves the Bering straight theory

Theories for the Populating of the Americas - Writer's Corner: Science Non-Fiction - Epinions.com

The problem with this hypothesis is that, while there are many Clovis sites found in North and South America, no evidence has ever been found in the area of the ice-free corridor, within the correct time frame, to support this theory of migration. However, as no alternate theories had been found acceptable, though a minority of archeologists clamored for recognition of an earlier migration, this theory had become standard thought. This was before the artifacts at Monte Verde came to light, a discovery that threw an unexpected spanner into the works of current archeological thought on the populating of the Americas.

 

7,500 miles from Beringia youll find MVII, the site number for an archeological dig at Monte Verde in southern Chile. Carbon dating from MVII has resulted in dates of 12,500 BCE. These findings caused a bit of a stir, as it was evident that people were dining on Pleistocene llamas and fish in Monte Verde 1000 years before the opening of the ice-free corridor. Upstream from MVII there would be more evidences to stir the pot. MVI, about 35 miles away, consisted of stone tools and hearths as much as 33,000 years old. Though the MVI date was, and still is, severely contested, it was obviously time to reevaluate the accepted theory of migration.

 

Caucasian mummies found in South America in a deep underground tunnel 85 feet underground. They were the Chachapoyas and the incans called them "the people of the clouds" becasue they lived among the clouds in remote areas. The "Bearing Strait" land bridge theory is now down the toilet lol!.

Amazing Mummies In The Amazon

 

There's also Kennewick Man

 

So anyways, apparently humans migrated from Africa straight to south america....yeah right! Explain 40,000 year old footprints in mexico evolutionists. 40,000 year old footprints in mexico cause evolutionists to scramble to make desperate and irrational exuses.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7627-footprints-rewrite-history-of-first-americans.html

 

lol! "evolutionists unhappy with results!" Notice how they claim, "it must be either a whole magnitude wrong and they must be way older, or they're not footprints at all then probably, or this or that excuse, but it can't be what the dating methods indicated!" Lol @ scrambling to make excuses and reinterpret things

Mexican markings and chronological chaos

 

It should also be noted, that not many humans would have lived in Africa prior to 10,500 BC, as before that, it was covered in lakes. Certainly not a good place to roam around and throw spears around. Prior to 10,500 BC most humans lived much closer to the equater, and the pre-historic cvilizations have mostly been submerged

 

Don't be too brainwashed by scientific theories. Obviously throughout human history, some lines will become extinct leaving no trace other than perhahps ancestors. If modern science has no idea such a lineage existed, youcannot trace back to it. Don't believe DNA magically can trace back all the lineages there are. It can't be used to identify a lineage that went extinct thousands of years ago that we don't even know existed. Man started out as semi etheric beings, but as material and selfish desires increased we fell further into the earth plane and fully materialized as the 5 races

In the period, then -- some hundred, some ninety-eight thousand years before the entry of Ram into India -- there lived in this land of Atlantis one Amilius, who had first noted that of the separations of the beings as inhabited that portion of the earth's sphere or plane of those peoples into male and female as separate entities, or individuals. As to their forms in the physical sense, these were much rather of the nature of thought forms, or able to push out of themselves in that direction in which its development took shape in thought -- much in the way and manner as the amoeba would in the waters of a stagnant bay, or lake in the present. As these took form, by the gratifying of their own desire for that as built or added to the material conditions, they became hardened or set -- much in the form of the existent human body of the day, with that of color as partook of its surroundings much in the manner as the chameleon in the present. Hence coming into that form as the red, or the mixture peoples -- or colors; known then later by the associations as red race. These, then, able to use in their gradual development all the forces as were manifest in their individual surroundings, passing through those periods of developments as has been followed more closely in that of the yellow, the black, or the white races, in other portions of the world; yet with their immediate surroundings, with the facilities for the developments, these became much speedier in this particular portion of the globe than in others -- and while the destruction of this continent and the peoples are far beyond any of that as has been kept as an absolute record, that record in the rocks still remains -- as has that influence of those peoples in that life of those peoples to whom those did escape during the periods of destruction make or influence the lives of those peoples to whom they came. As they may in the present, either through the direct influence of being regenerated, or reincarnated into the earth, or through that of the mental application on through the influences as may be had upon thought of individuals or groups by speaking from that environ.

 

Edgar Cayce can explain very clearly, The point at which we fell from semi etheric beings to fully material happened sometime between 200,000 BC and 50,000 BC

Q. Was Atlantis one of the five points at which man appeared in the beginning, being the home of the red race?

 

A. One of the five points. As has been given, in what is known as Gobi, India, in Carpathia, or in that known as the Andes, and that known as in the western plain of what is now called America -- the five places. In their presentation, as we find, these -- in the five places, as man (Let's get the difference in that as first appeared (as thought forms) in what is known as Atlantis, and that as man appearing from those projections in the five places -- and, as has been given, from their environ took on that as became necessary for the meeting of those varying conditions under which their individualities and personalities began to put on form) -- one in the white, another in the brown, another in the black, another in the red. These, as we find, taking that form -- Would snow be the place for the black? or the sun the place for the white? or the desert and the hills for the white or the black? as were partakers of those things that brought about those variations in that which enters, or becomes as the outer presentation, or the skin, or the pigment that is presented in same.

 

Q. Did the appearance of the five races occur simultaneously?

 

A. Occurred at once.

 

Q. Describe the earth's surface at the period of the five projections?

 

A. This has been given. In the first, or that known as the beginning, or in the Caucasian and Carpathian, or the Garden of Eden, in that land which lies now much in the desert, yet much in mountain and much in rolling lands there. The extreme northern portions were then the southern portions, or the polar regions were then turned to where they occupied more of the tropical and semi-tropical regions; hence it would be hard to discern or discriminate the change. The Nile entered into the Atlantic Ocean. What is now the Sahara was an inhabited land and very fertile. What is now the central portion of this country, or the Mississippi basin, was then all in the ocean; only the plateau was existent, or the regions that are now portions of Nevada, Utah and Arizona formed the greater part of what we know as the United States. That along the Atlantic board formed the outer portion then, or the lowlands of Atlantis. The Andean, or the Pacific coast of South America, occupied then the extreme portion of Lemuria. The Urals and the northern regions of same were turned into a tropical land. The desert in the Mongolian land was then the fertile portion. This may enable you to form some concept of the status of the earth's representation at that time! The oceans were then turned about; they no longer bear their names, yet from whence obtained they their names? What is the legend, even as to their names?

 

Q. Are the following the correct places? Atlantean, the red?

 

A. Atlantean and American, the red race.

 

Q. Upper Africa for the black?

 

A. Or what would be known now as the more western portion of upper Egypt for the black. You see, with the changes -- when there came the uprisings in the Atlantean land, and the sojourning southward -- with the turning of the axis -- the white and yellow races came into that portion of Egypt, India, Persia and Arabia.

Edited October 9, 2011 by Immortal4life

[Apech]

I have to admit I haven't read all this ... but do we really need archaic pictures of the 'races' of human beings? Race is not accepted as a legitimate genetic description of any actual basic differences between people.

 

Not happy with this at all.

[taooneusa]

 

this image shows obvious bias.

 

did you miss that?

 

you posted two versions of it?

 

all the root races have intermingled long ago

 

we are their progeny and evolving as individuals, not as races.

[Apech]

 

this image shows obvious bias.

 

did you miss that?

 

you posted two versions of it?

 

all the root races have intermingled long ago

 

we are their progeny and evolving as individuals, not as races.

 

Root races? What are they?

 

Why is the white man always in the middle ... and why does he have a beard?

 

Ridiculous.

[taooneusa]

Root races? What are they?

 

Why is the white man always in the middle ... and why does he have a beard?

 

Ridiculous.

the great amount of time used in compiling and linking to create the posts shows careful consideration.

 

The offensive images above are squared creating a focal point on the 'white' race central to all others

[Immortal4life]

 

this image shows obvious bias.

 

did you miss that?

 

you posted two versions of it?

 

all the root races have intermingled long ago

 

we are their progeny and evolving as individuals, not as races.

 

Of course all the 5 root peoples have since intermixed, and there is nothing wrong with that. I am simply showing the development and origins of Human beings in history, as opposed to the present or future. I have not chosen images which show the White people in the center deliberately, that's just how the images I found were drawn. I am not saying any one group of people are superior to any other people.

Edited October 9, 2011 by Immortal4life

[taooneusa]

progression of color is the root of Taoism.

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has everything to do with individuality as a hidden human potential.

we are 'all' a mix of all the colors

 

Immortal owes everyone who may read this topic an apology

Edited October 9, 2011 by taooneusa

[taooneusa]

Of course all the 5 root peoples have since intermixed, and there is nothing wrong with that. I am simply showing the development and origins of Human beings in history, as opposed to the present or future. I have not chosen images which show the White people in the center deliberately, that's just how the images I found were drawn. I am not saying any one group of people are superior to any other people.

there are more that five in our line and many other your enter key will never find use for.

Edited October 9, 2011 by taooneusa

[thelerner]

Tried to read some of it to see if I could get names or organizations that support the hypothesis. Skimming I found Edgar Cayce in 1932, words like Everyone believes ..

 

I must admit I haven't waded through all the videos. I have watched movies and read some sci fi (Gor or John Carter?? novels??) that follow similar theories.

 

Again it seems like someone reads new research about wider diversity in American Indian genes that point to new theories and mix them up heavy speculation, then add there childhood sci fi into the mix.

 

I'm not a geneticist, but I did take a college course in 1940's and 50's Golden Age science fiction (my favorite college course) and many of these ideas have seem to have roots there.

[taooneusa]

Of course all the 5 root peoples have since intermixed, and there is nothing wrong with that. I am simply showing the development and origins of Human beings in history, as opposed to the present or future. I have not chosen images which show the White people in the center deliberately, that's just how the images I found were drawn. I am not saying any one group of people are superior to any other people.

your post did not require those images.

 

"I have not chosen images which show the White people in the center deliberately"

 

" Who did the choosing for you? "

 

this statement of yours shows foreknowledge of the fact that the 2 images you chose indeed frame

'white' as central in evolution.

 

I am assuming you still have this preference since the images have not been deleted?

Edited October 9, 2011 by taooneusa

[Immortal4life]

I have not chosen the arrangement for any deliberate reason, it's just how the images I found were drawn.

 

Being in the center of the diagram does not say anything about who is central in human evolution, it just says the artist placed white people in the center of the picture.

 

My descriptions and sources say nothing about white people being special, superior, or central to human development.

[taooneusa]

I have not chosen the arrangement for any deliberate reason, it's just how the images I found were drawn.

 

Being in the center of the diagram does not say anything about who is central in human evolution, it just says the artist placed white people in the center of the picture.

 

My descriptions and sources say nothing about white people being special, superior, or central to human development.

you chose to post TWO very offensive images and now defend your "mistake"

 

remove them now

[Immortal4life]

you chose to post TWO very offensive images and now defend your "mistake"

 

remove them now

 

The only one making a "mistake" is you.

 

You are assigning meaning where none exists. You feel so strongly that it is an "unfair" picture, because the White people are in the "center" position in the drawing. However, who is in the center position is merely coincidental to me. The center position has no meaning, and it is not a "superior" position to be in. As far as I'm concerned anyone could be in that position and it wouldn't matter.

Edited October 9, 2011 by Immortal4life

[taooneusa]

The only one making a mistake is you.

 

You are assigning meaning where none exists. You feel so strongly that it is an "unfair" picture, because the White people are in the "center" position in the drawing. However, the center position is merely coincidental to me. The center position has no meaning, and it is not a "superior" position to be in. As far as I'm concerned anyone could be in that position and it wouldn't matter.

 

I am calling you RACIST and recognize that thousands will read these post on this topic that you generated.

 

The images are clearly racist and I encourage future readers to read between the lines of what you write

 

and post according to your mistakes.

[Immortal4life]

The point of the diagram in this context is clear. It is to demonstrate the existence of the 5 peoples in the history of the development of humankind. The point is that there were 5. The positioning of the 5 peoples in the diagram has no meaning here and does not indicate any one of the 5 is more important than the other.

 

Therefore, NOT racist.

Edited October 9, 2011 by Immortal4life

[taooneusa]

The point of the diagram in this context is clear. It is to demonstrate the existence of the 5 peoples in the history of the development of humankind. The point is that there were 5. The positioning of the 5 peoples in the diagram has no meaning here and does not indicate any one of the 5 is more important than the other.

 

Therefore, NOT racist.

now that we have a conflict on the topic of racism and racist images

 

Lets leave the choice about the nature of your post to the future readers.

 

Whether you have an agenda or not the images are clearly offensive

 

Lets leave the choice about the nature of your post to the future readers.

Edited October 9, 2011 by taooneusa

[Aetherous]

Eh...maybe the pictures indicate that the artists were somewhat racist.

 

It would be more clear if the white man were at the top, and all others were beneath him. Instead, the white man is surrounded. And the asian and (native american?) at the top appear superior to him.

 

So it's unclear. And Immortal clarified his personal stance...so if you're taking offense, then that's what you're taking.

[konchog uma]

haha i think that the picture is OBviously afrocentric and points to the superiority of the black man since the meditteranean man ??? in that pic looks like another african! so there are 2 africans for every other race which is totally RACIST

 

and I4L posted it on this site, which, according to daoist philosophy, accords the highest "virtue" to the lowest position! So the two black men are more virtuous than the others! oh surrrre RACIST

 

also the white guy is totally surrounded by people of color, which makes white people really nervous! maybe those other guys are sick of colonial expansion and are gonna kick that honkies ass! WHOA thats inappropriate

 

so chill out taooneusa youre misinterpreting things

[zanshin]

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Edited April 19, 2020 by zanshin

[taooneusa]

author of the above image:

 

Blumenbach and Buffon

 

 

Johan Friedrich Blumenbach

Johann Blumenbach from Germany and Georges-Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon from France were believers in monogenism, the concept that all races have a single origin. They also believed in the "Degeneration theory" of racial origins. They both said that Adam and Eve were Caucasian and that other races came about by degeneration from environmental factors, such as the sun and poor dieting. They believed that the degeneration could be reversed if proper environmental control was taken, and that all contemporary forms of man could revert to the original Caucasian race.[13]

 

They thought Negroid pigmentation arose because of the heat of the tropical sun. They suggested cold wind caused the tawny colour of the Eskimos. They thought the Chinese relatively fair skinned compared to the other Asian stocks because they kept mostly in towns and were protected from environmental factors. Buffon said that food and the mode of living could make races degenerate and distinguish them from the original Caucasian race.[13]

 

According to Blumenbach, there are five races, all belonging to a single species: Caucasian, Mongolian, Ethiopian, American, and Malay. Blumenbach said:

 

I have allotted the first place to the Caucasian because this stock displays the most beautiful race of men.[14]

[zanshin]

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Edited April 19, 2020 by zanshin

[Immortal4life]

Oh, not sure if Cayce was explictly racists, Blavatsky and other theosophists were-

 

Edgar Cayce was a very unique figure. He was not a theosophist. He was a simple man who discovered he had an ability to enter a sleep state or trance, and answer questions posed to him. He would speak of things while in trance, that he had no knowledge of while awake.

 

As you can see in the OPs, he did not talk about a 1st race, 2nd race, 3rd race, or 4th race. He states all the 5 peoples came about together.

Edited October 10, 2011 by Immortal4life

[zanshin]

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Edited April 19, 2020 by zanshin

[Immortal4life]

author of the above image:

 

Blumenbach and Buffon

 

 

If this is accurate, then perhaps the authors did have their dubious reasons for the placement of any particular drawing.

 

This does not have to be the case in the new context I am using it in. Positioning does not have to indicate superiority or significance here.

Edited October 10, 2011 by Immortal4life