Marblehead Posted November 1, 2011 More monkey business... Very interesting post. Thanks for taking the time to do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rene Posted November 2, 2011 True ZZ needed to be interpret metaphorically. However there must be a reason why ZZ choose certain word (word??) to represent something. Such as why you choose to name yourself ChiDragon, Marblehead as Marblehead, Lienshan as Lienshand, Dawei as Dawei and Xiejia as Xiejia. There are always stories behind these name, by dismissing it; it would be the same as using A,B or C. In my humble opinion, I do think that it have some value in looking into. Sigh... If it were only so. warm regards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XieJia Posted November 2, 2011 Sigh... If it were only so. warm regards Indeed I just don't see a reason to reject it or to fixate on it. Have a nice day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted November 2, 2011 Indeed I just don't see a reason to reject it or to fixate on it. Have a nice day Ah... neither this nor that... The dual path... the equal fashioning of heaven... When we keep it simple it is indeed simple ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rene Posted November 2, 2011 I just don't see a reason to reject it or to fixate on it. *** Ah... neither this nor that... The dual path... the equal fashioning of heaven... When we keep it simple it is indeed simple ! Simple?? Sigh... If it were only so. p.s... I'm talking about the efforts required to translate from chinese characters to an alphabatic language. And you are right regarding simplicity; the simplest path is from the moon straight to the heart. No characters words required! warm regards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) Simple?? Sigh... If it were only so. p.s... I'm talking about the efforts required to translate from chinese characters to an alphabatic language. And you are right regarding simplicity; the simplest path is from the moon straight to the heart. No characters words required! warm regards oops.........You beat me to it. In Chinese thinking, a character(字) is a word. Xie Jia was thinking in Chinese and did not make the English conversion in his mind. I knew why he wrote the "word" for character. ZhuangTze said: What does matter if we knew what it means and why was said it that way...??? I think ZZ Chapter 2, Section C says all. BTW I just finished the translation on it... Edited November 2, 2011 by ChiDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rene Posted November 2, 2011 In Chinese thinking, a character(字) is a word. BTW I just finished the translation on it... So, you are saying that every character translates to a word? If so, there would only be, or need be, one translation of the TTC, ZZ, etc, and the debates would then be about what the translation meant. The debate over what a word/character means can come only after an agreement as to what the word/character is. Oui? warm regards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) So, you are saying that every character translates to a word? If so, there would only be, or need be, one translation of the TTC, ZZ, etc, and the debates would then be about what the translation meant. The debate over what a word/character means can come only after an agreement as to what the word/character is. Oui? warm regards hehehe... Qui! That's EXACTLY what should have been taken place. What I meant was a Chinese character is a Chinese word. A Chinese word is a Chinese character; instead of a Chinese character is an English word nor an English word is a Chinese character. Is this Confusing enough for you.....??? Edited for clarification: The symbol 字 means a Chinese word in Chinese thinking. For example, To express an: 1. English word: 英文 字 2. Chinese word: 中文 字 PS... What I am saying was that there is no such thing as a "character" in Chinese thinking. Edited November 3, 2011 by ChiDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rene Posted November 3, 2011 hehehe... Qui! That's EXACTLY what should have been taken place. What I meant was a Chinese character is a Chinese word. A Chinese word is a Chinese character; instead of a Chinese character is an English word nor an English word is a Chinese character. Is this Confusing enough for you.....??? Edited for clarification: The symbol 字 means a Chinese word in Chinese thinking. For example, To express an: 1. English word: 英文 字 2. Chinese word: 中文 字 PS... What I am saying was that there is no such thing as a "character" in Chinese thinking. sigh... warm regards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XieJia Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) Simple?? Sigh... If it were only so. p.s... I'm talking about the efforts required to translate from chinese characters to an alphabatic language. And you are right regarding simplicity; the simplest path is from the moon straight to the heart. No characters words required! warm regards @Chidragon @Rene Although I am of Chinese descent; I would say my Chinese is quite weak. However, I use a small technique that I think would also be useful for non-chinese reader/Western audience. That is to go straight to the feeling/concepts that comes to mind when the words/characters are invoked. Chinese language is a pictograph, they just puts a lot pictures together to tell the story. Think of it as reading a strings of symbol or emoticons. Take care now; XJ P.S. You might need a dictionary... Edited November 3, 2011 by XieJia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
konchog uma Posted November 3, 2011 oh hold on i'll translate i was sleeping with a smug look on my face then POW my cat jumped on my belly and woke me up i was worried for a minute so i said HEY CAT QUIT THAT then my cat looked at me lovingly so i smiled then it started purring so i grinned a big grin then i licked it <wink> cause im freaky like that damn another hairball! *gackckgjk* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rene Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) That is to go straight to the feeling/concepts that comes to mind when the words/characters are invoked. ... the simplest path is from the moon straight to the heart. No characters words required! same same p.s. anamatva - that was brilliant! Now please go do The Laozi. Edited November 3, 2011 by rene Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XieJia Posted November 3, 2011 oh hold on i'll translate i was sleeping with a smug look on my face then POW my cat jumped on my belly and woke me up i was worried for a minute so i said HEY CAT QUIT THAT then my cat looked at me lovingly so i smiled then it started purring so i grinned a big grin then i licked it <wink> cause im freaky like that damn another hairball! *gackckgjk* Love it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted November 3, 2011 You guys are great!! I enjoyed that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
