3bob Posted November 19, 2011 (edited) Lineage based: http://www.universalshaivafellowship.org/usf/teachings_01ch19.html Om Edited November 19, 2011 by 3bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted November 20, 2011 Lineage based: http://www.universalshaivafellowship.org/usf/teachings_01ch19.html Om Lakshman Joo was a great exponent of Kashmir Shaivism. Would it be of interest to discuss ks and concepts of abhinavagupta, etc here? I am greatly interested. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted November 20, 2011 Lakshman Joo was a great exponent of Kashmir Shaivism. Would it be of interest to discuss ks and concepts of abhinavagupta, etc here? I am greatly interested. I would also enjoy the conversation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted November 20, 2011 Hello Dwai, I submitted that link as a resource for anyone interested. I'm not qualified to comment much on the materials (excepting for my own very limited experiences) while they (The Swami) or the text speaks very well for itself... I do like this school because it does not stress some of the super strict, (male dominated) and heavy handed sectarian ways that some schools do. Om 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted November 20, 2011 Hello Dwai, I submitted that link as a resource for anyone interested. I'm not qualified to comment much on the materials (excepting for my own very limited experiences) while they (The Swami) or the text speaks very well for itself... I do like this school because it does not stress some of the super strict, (male dominated) and heavy handed sectarian ways that some schools do. Om At the end of the day it is our respective limited eperiences that guide us, supported by teachers in person or proxy ( literature). I ave not practiced KS but have studied it to a certain degree and find many open questions from advaita vedanta being answered there in and viceversa. May i request that you share your experiences and understanding of this tradition here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted November 21, 2011 At the end of the day it is our respective limited eperiences that guide us, supported by teachers in person or proxy ( literature). I ave not practiced KS but have studied it to a certain degree and find many open questions from advaita vedanta being answered there in and viceversa. May i request that you share your experiences and understanding of this tradition here? Dwai, I only had very brief e-mail contact with the K.S. school. The limited "experiences" I mentioned were with another school of Shaivism that has some aspects or traditions in common with K.S.. But I can not speak for these schools, such would be up their designated people or contacts; although I may share some understandings in a very general way about help that was given me. Om Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted November 21, 2011 Dwai, I only had very brief e-mail contact with the K.S. school. The limited "experiences" I mentioned were with another school of Shaivism that has some aspects or traditions in common with K.S.. But I can not speak for these schools, such would be up their designated people or contacts; although I may share some understandings in a very general way about help that was given me. Om Thats a gret place to start...i wasnt looking for school details etc...i am more interested in personal perspectives and undstanding... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted November 21, 2011 KS is a nondual system and its primary premise is that the absolute reality is consciousness, being, bliss. This absolute consciousness is in a state of ecstacy and all creation manifests from the spontaneous vibrations (spanda) that are emanated from this dynamic absolute consciousness. KS calls this Shiva. And the tantra of KS is based on the seeking of immersion into Shiva. A good starting point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted November 22, 2011 KS is a nondual system and its primary premise is that the absolute reality is consciousness, being, bliss. This absolute consciousness is in a state of ecstacy and all creation manifests from the spontaneous vibrations (spanda) that are emanated from this dynamic absolute consciousness. KS calls this Shiva. And the tantra of KS is based on the seeking of immersion into Shiva. A good starting point? Well I'd suggest a short quote or two from K.S. to go along with paraphrasing about their schools teachings... (a school which may be basically known to some while others may have never heard of it) Also and as you well know topics at this site often reach for the deepest, highest or most subtle... very seldom does one see page after page speaking to the beginning yet ever present precepts and practice of yama. (and niyama) I live in the world of a blue collar industrial shift-worker who is around a lot of noise located in a drastically non-Hindu aquainted part of the country, (like most of America where shopping malls with westernized hatha yoga classes doesn't really cover same) yet once in a while I visit the quiet mind-set of the contemplative world; a world so to speak where it easier to tune in to mystical type teachings. Anyway, where are we going to go if we are starting near the end? Om Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted November 22, 2011 Well I'd suggest a short quote or two from K.S. to go along with paraphrasing about their schools teachings... (a school which may be basically known to some while others may have never heard of it) Also and as you well know topics at this site often reach for the deepest, highest or most subtle... very seldom does one see page after page speaking to the beginning yet ever present precepts and practice of yama. (and niyama) I live in the world of a blue collar industrial shift-worker who is around a lot of noise located in a drastically non-Hindu aquainted part of the country, (like most of America where shopping malls with westernized hatha yoga classes doesn't really cover same) yet once in a while I visit the quiet mind-set of the contemplative world; a world so to speak where it easier to tune in to mystical type teachings. Anyway, where are we going to go if we are starting near the end? Om Start at the end and work our way to the beginning In any case there's really no end and beginning in a circle right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted November 22, 2011 Start at the end and work our way to the beginning In any case there's really no end and beginning in a circle right? true, and there really is no light inside of light nor sound inside of sound. Om Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guruyoga Posted December 21, 2011 And the tantra of KS is based on the seeking of immersion into Shiva. Technically incorrect, this is true for Siddhanta Shaiva and other bheda or bhedabheda schools, but for a non-dual school like Kashmir Shaivism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth Ananda Posted December 21, 2011 Technically incorrect, this is true for Siddhanta Shaiva and other bheda or bhedabheda schools, but for a non-dual school like Kashmir Shaivism. Hi Guru Yoga I am guessing you meant - "But 'not' for a non-dual school like Kashmir Shaivism." If so then that is technically incorrect. From the view point of the practical side of KS, one's practice {or which Upaya one is using} depends on your state. Thus a when one is feeling very dense and dualistic, one uses anavapaya, which encompasses Devotional practices, pranayama, puja's and rituals, and one seeks to merge with the divine... The higher upaya's become subtler and less and less dualistic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guruyoga Posted December 23, 2011 Hi Guru Yoga I am guessing you meant - "But 'not' for a non-dual school like Kashmir Shaivism." Thanks Seth, you're correct, I meant to say 'not' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phore Posted December 23, 2011 hey does anyone have links to some english translations of some of the old tantric texts from the ks school. I cant seem to find any on amazon. Or maybe a list of some of the traditional texts. From the descriptions it sounds like an interesting school. Does it place an emphasis on the mythology of shiva or any of the astrological significance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guruyoga Posted December 23, 2011 hey does anyone have links to some english translations of some of the old tantric texts from the ks school. I cant seem to find any on amazon. Or maybe a list of some of the traditional texts. From the descriptions it sounds like an interesting school. Does it place an emphasis on the mythology of shiva or any of the astrological significance. Check out books by Swami Lakshman Joo, Dr. Jaidev Singh and Mark S. G. Dyczkowski. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth Ananda Posted December 23, 2011 here is the Shiva sutras: http://www.scribd.com/doc/256443/Siva-Sutra There are KS web sites out there with all the texts available online, I am trying to find my old bookmarks... +1 Guru Yoga's recommendations. I still think that the book 'Consciousness is Everything', is the single best Introduction to the subject. It is the perfect mix of being scholarly consistent, and a Joy to read. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted December 24, 2011 here is the Shiva sutras: http://www.scribd.com/doc/256443/Siva-Sutra There are KS web sites out there with all the texts available online, I am trying to find my old bookmarks... +1 Guru Yoga's recommendations. I still think that the book 'Consciousness is Everything', is the single best Introduction to the subject. It is the perfect mix of being scholarly consistent, and a Joy to read. I recommend kamalakar mishra to that list 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth Ananda Posted December 24, 2011 My KS teacher always recommended B.N.Pandits works, which I too found great Joy in. Going to start them again shortly. While we are at it, has anyone ever found an English translation of the Tantraloka? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guruyoga Posted December 24, 2011 I have mostly relied on the Sanskrit original and it's commentary by Rajanaka Jayaratha (which, we in our lineage, do not consider as correctly representing the great master Abhinavagupta). There is one English translation by Gautam Chatterjee, and it is clear he obviously does not understand "secrets" or the esoteric/practical purports of the coded Tantraloka, but seems sincere enough: http://books.google.com/books/about/Sri_Tantraloka.html?id=gpsacAAACAAJ Swami Lakshman Joo, who I consider more a intellectual than a Tantra exponent, did write some papers I read that were commentaries on the Tantraloka, but I am not sure if they were ever published by one of his numerous and illustrious students. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth Ananda Posted December 24, 2011 (which, we in our lineage, do not consider as correctly representing the great master Abhinavagupta). Cool, what is your Lineage? I started out in Muktananda's lineage, and then became a student of Virendra Qazi, who is Swami Lakshman Joo's cousin. I am going to reconnect with him again and hopefully he will forgive my break of a few years exploring Buddhism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted December 24, 2011 Cool, what is your Lineage? I started out in Muktananda's lineage, and then became a student of Virendra Qazi, who is Swami Lakshman Joo's cousin. I am going to reconnect with him again and hopefully he will forgive my break of a few years exploring Buddhism. I interacted with sri qazi thru the auspices of my website in the past... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth Ananda Posted December 24, 2011 I interacted with sri qazi thru the auspices of my website in the past... Cool dwai, What is your website? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted December 24, 2011 Cool dwai, What is your website? Www.medhajournal.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phore Posted January 27, 2012 Check out books by Swami Lakshman Joo, Dr. Jaidev Singh and Mark S. G. Dyczkowski. thank you guru-yoga, seth , and dwai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
