dwai Posted December 28, 2011 taking the first paragraph to be true why stir in the second with it? Â I second that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted December 28, 2011 "What Tathagata is there?" The Tathagata that is non-attached wisdom which is free and happy in the deepest and unbreakable meaning of such words... "The idea that nirvana is samsara, correctly understood, comes through Nagarjuna" Â Dao...Brahman... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Birch Posted December 28, 2011 Because I see them both as true. Sorry, I happen to like lots of different things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vmarco Posted December 28, 2011 Hehehe. You do realize that you just contradicted yourself here, don't you? Â First you suggest that the Manifest does not exist then you say that everything manifest has a DO. Â Â The manifest does not exist, or stand alone,...where's the contradiction? All manifestation (which ultimately does not exist), is formed through Dependent Origination. No contradiction there. Â "From beginningless time until now, all living beings have mistaken themselves for things and, having lost the original mind, are turned around by things." Buddha, Shurangama sutra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted December 28, 2011 Hmm, very interesting! Anyway I’m off for a wank! Oh and a bit of non-duality!  *** Image deleted by moderator*** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted December 28, 2011 The manifest does not exist, or stand alone,...where's the contradiction? All manifestation (which ultimately does not exist), is formed through Dependent Origination. No contradiction there.  "From beginningless time until now, all living beings have mistaken themselves for things and, having lost the original mind, are turned around by things." Buddha, Shurangama sutra  Even that quote by the Buddha is a contradiction! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted December 28, 2011 Even that quote by the Buddha is a contradiction! Â Yeah it's all a con! That's why mum told us to always look after number one! Â Oh and the removed pic is here: http://i134.photobuc...own/wolov_2.jpg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) Even that quote by the Buddha is a contradiction! Â Â besides I'd to see "Star Gate", "Star Wars", "Star Trek" and "Star Buck" all tied together co-herently. (along with Clint Eastwood put in there somewhere) Edited December 29, 2011 by 3bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Posted December 29, 2011 (edited)  besides I'd to see "Star Gate", "Star Wars", "Star Trek" and "Star Buck" all tied together co-herently. (along with Clint Eastwood put in there somewhere)  Would it suffice to have Clint Eastwood and Dirk Benedict watch Stargate, Star Wars, and Star Trek in a movie theater? Perhaps while they drink a cup of Starbucks, while snacking on sno caps?  Aaron  edit- Had to capitalize the t in "Trek" before a rabid Treckie hunted me down and cut out my heart. Also am I the only one that feels there should be c in trek? As in treck.... oh well... huked on fonix werked fore me. Edited December 29, 2011 by Twinner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xabir2005 Posted December 29, 2011 "What Tathagata is there?" The Tathagata that is non-attached wisdom which is free and happy in the deepest and unbreakable meaning of such words... "The idea that nirvana is samsara, correctly understood, comes through Nagarjuna" The point of Nagarjuna is same as the point of Buddha: you can't pin down the Tathagata as a truth or reality even in the present life We can conventionally talk about Buddha as having wisdom, freedom and happiness, but these attributes are also completely empty, Buddha is also completely empty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted December 29, 2011 The point of Nagarjuna is same as the point of Buddha: you can't pin down the Tathagata as a truth or reality even in the present life  We can conventionally talk about Buddha as having wisdom, freedom and happiness, but these attributes are also completely empty, Buddha is also completely empty  can't pin down empty either... must also let empty go  Om Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) Would it suffice to have Clint Eastwood and Dirk Benedict watch Stargate, Star Wars, and Star Trek in a movie theater? Perhaps while they drink a cup of Starbucks, while snacking on sno caps?  Aaron  edit- Had to capitalize the t in "Trek" before a rabid Treckie hunted me down and cut out my heart. Also am I the only one that feels there should be c in trek? As in treck.... oh well... huked on fonix werked fore me.  Well I was being kind of flippant about the subject matter on that post and was going to delete but you gave me a light hearted chuckle so I'll hold off on deletion. (Btw hopefully Katee Sackhoff and Amanda Tapping would also show up for a coffee and chat with the crowd)  Om Edited December 29, 2011 by 3bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted December 29, 2011 I feel the need to make a short comment of explanation. Please remember that when I make a comment like the one above it is not any attempt to tarnish the religion of Buddhism. It is only my comment to a concept in the religion that "I" cannot accept. There are those concepts in any religion I have studied and that is why "I" hold to none of them. Â But then, don't expect any great changes in how I interact here. Hehehe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Posted December 29, 2011 Well I was being kind of flippant about the subject matter on that post and was going to delete but you gave me a light hearted chuckle so I'll hold off on deletion. (Btw hopefully Katee Sackhoff and Amanda Tapping would also show up for a coffee and chat with the crowd)  Om  You know I never cared for Sackhoff's Star Buck, but other people seem to really love it, so I don't criticize too much. I really liked Tapping in Stargate, she seemed to bring a down to earth feel to the show, that girl next door meets alien invaders kind of feel. But yeah they could have coffee outside. I wouldn't turn down the opportunity to meet them.  Aaron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Posted December 29, 2011 Because I see them both as true. Sorry, I happen to like lots of different things. Â I don't see why you can't see both as true. I think the problem that arises with non-duality is when people believe they can define it for others, when in fact it's only something someone can experience. Again, it's like describing the color red to a blind person. Yes you can say it's not blue, yellow, or green, but you can't really explain what it looks like, only allude to what it isn't. Â Aaron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted December 29, 2011 You know I never cared for Sackhoff's Star Buck, but other people seem to really love it, so I don't criticize too much. I really liked Tapping in Stargate, she seemed to bring a down to earth feel to the show, that girl next door meets alien invaders kind of feel. But yeah they could have coffee outside. I wouldn't turn down the opportunity to meet them. Â Aaron Amanda...she is a nerdy bombshell...you guys ever watch the episodes with the ascended ancient...oma desala? My personal favorites... Sackhoff was good too...i liked number 6 and boomer more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
