Desire for diffrent reality

[Everything]

Yeah, something like that. Actually this is a little difficult for me to speak to because I don't want to sound like I have gotten mystical on Y'all.

 

I still won't conceed to that word "surrender" though. Hehehe.

I don't know what conceed means, but I totally understand you.

 

Ofcourse, the word surrender has a negative vibe to it. The word "allowance" is much more powerful, which brings me to another topic...

[mYTHmAKER]

Surrender = acceptance = go with the flow = Tao

[Everything]

Surrender = acceptance = go with the flow = Tao

I agree, I just ment that people use the word "surrender" in such negative ways. Yet, I will always use that word boldly, without shame.

[Marblehead]

I agree, I just ment that people use the word "surrender" in such negative ways. Yet, I will always use that word boldly, without shame.

Yep. That is likely why I avoid the word. I do that with a few other words as well because of the negative connotations attached to the words.

 

And yes, I do like this:

 

Surrender = acceptance = go with the flow = Tao

[Stosh]

Yep. That is likely why I avoid the word. I do that with a few other words as well because of the negative connotations attached to the words.

 

And yes, I do like this:

 

Surrender = acceptance = go with the flow = Tao

 

Each of those words has very different connotations

It is very problematic to someone not enlightened

Or just trying to come to an understanding

When descriptions are bracketed with such wide scope

 

Surrender implies failure

acceptance implies taking what is offered

go with the flow implies taking the easiest route

Tao in this use ,implies a mystical plan

 

Please just pick the word that you think means what you want it to say.

So I can know what you are trying to say.

Stosh

[Marblehead]

Please just pick the word that you think means what you want it to say.

So I can know what you are trying to say.

Stosh

Hehehe. I'm not going to make life that easy for you.

 

My best response would be:

 

Do what needs to be done; nothing more, nothing less.

[Stosh]

Hehehe. I'm not going to make life that easy for you.

 

My best response would be:

 

Do what needs to be done; nothing more, nothing less.

Too much fire in my belly yet to take that advice well.

Stosh

[Marblehead]

Too much fire in my belly yet to take that advice well.

Stosh

Indeed! I would not have been able to handle that well when I was young either. It gets easier the older you get - my experience.

[Stosh]

Indeed! I would not have been able to handle that well when I was young either. It gets easier the older you get - my experience.

Well I may act childish , but I aint exactly a spring chicken either.

Im not even sure that acting childish is contraindicated by taoism.

 

Being that you have said that line a few times,

, you really should at least clarify one thing

Where do you think the fulcrum of that balance is?

What tells you , no more from here no less from here?

because nothing is needed ,,there are no requirements to fill.

There is nothing to fill , there is nothing unfull.etc

 

Lao I figure would have said that on the spectrum from

positive infinity to negative infinity

the center could not be described even as zero!

So I sure as heck wouldnt know (without my personal bias)

where it was!

 

Stosh

[Marblehead]

Being that you have said that line a few times,

, you really should at least clarify one thing

Where do you think the fulcrum of that balance is?

What tells you , no more from here no less from here?

because nothing is needed ,,there are no requirements to fill.

There is nothing to fill , there is nothing unfull.etc

 

Lao I figure would have said that on the spectrum from

positive infinity to negative infinity

the center could not be described even as zero!

So I sure as heck wouldnt know (without my personal bias)

where it was!

 

Stosh

You are causing me to think again! Shame on you!!!

 

Balance? No, let's not look for balance. Balance is too much work because as soon as one element moves the other elements must also move in order to maintain the balance. And we all know that the entire universe is constantly moving. How tiring would that be?

 

Let's rather look for harmony. In harmony we can have the trebles and basses and all the ranges in between. The only need here is that one not try to drown out the others. I think it is here where we have enough - nothing more, nothing less.

[Stosh]

You are causing me to think again! Shame on you!!!

 

Balance? No, let's not look for balance. Balance is too much work because as soon as one element moves the other elements must also move in order to maintain the balance. And we all know that the entire universe is constantly moving. How tiring would that be?

 

Let's rather look for harmony. In harmony we can have the trebles and basses and all the ranges in between. The only need here is that one not try to drown out the others. I think it is here where we have enough - nothing more, nothing less.

 

Ok thats good ,

I like it.

somehow its got me thinking of that Kenny Rogers song

You got to know when to hold up

know when to fold up

know when to walk away

and when to run...

[Marblehead]

somehow its got me thinking of that Kenny Rogers song

Yes, good association.

[et-thoughts]

This is metta:

 

 

 

It is something to think for some and may seem to be something that people "think" but the experience of love isn't inside your head really. Those are the ideas you have of what it is not really what it is.

 

It could very well lead you to the thymus, or heart center, or whatever you choose to call it. The palace of love.

 

To me the experience of love involves all aspects ... the place of love is everywhere ( yea including that place some call no-where)

[et-thoughts]

Yep. That is likely why I avoid the word. I do that with a few other words as well because of the negative connotations attached to the words.

 

And yes, I do like this:

 

Surrender = acceptance = go with the flow = Tao

 

Just wanted to point out that each one chooses which connotations and meanings to attach to the words/thoughts/actions/feelings ... and individuals do that every time they use a word... and then it endures forevermore... evidently some words 'invite' individuals to use and follow certain ways... though it is up to the individual to choose what to do... most just go with the flow unquestionably and then some direct the flow and dance with it, in it and for it...

[et-thoughts]

Where do you think the fulcrum of that balance is?

 

 

Imagine an equilateral triangle... draw it on a piece of paper to help you visualize it... on the base left write 'negative', on the base right write 'positive' and on the top write 'perfection' ... now rotate the triangle 30 degrees up ... the vertical axis aligns parallel to the side of the triangle where the bottom reads negative and the top perfection. Draw the horizontal axis line so that it intersects with the center line between negative and positive... now draw the line from this intersection point to the point of perfection... The fulcrum of balance is that line!

 

I could go on an describe all sort of relationships with this triangle but will leave that for you to discover... do notice that the triangle created below the horizontal axis equals the missing triangle to the right !

[Marblehead]

Just wanted to point out that each one chooses which connotations and meanings to attach to the words/thoughts/actions/feelings ... and individuals do that every time they use a word... and then it endures forevermore... evidently some words 'invite' individuals to use and follow certain ways... though it is up to the individual to choose what to do... most just go with the flow unquestionably and then some direct the flow and dance with it, in it and for it...

Yeah, that is why I try to use very specific words when I am posting a serious post. I really don't like being misunderstood.

[Stosh]

Imagine an equilateral triangle... draw it on a piece of paper to help you visualize it... on the base left write 'negative', on the base right write 'positive' and on the top write 'perfection' ... now rotate the triangle 30 degrees up ... the vertical axis aligns parallel to the side of the triangle where the bottom reads negative and the top perfection. Draw the horizontal axis line so that it intersects with the center line between negative and positive... now draw the line from this intersection point to the point of perfection... The fulcrum of balance is that line!

 

I could go on an describe all sort of relationships with this triangle but will leave that for you to discover... do notice that the triangle created below the horizontal axis equals the missing triangle to the right !

Ok,

I followed the directions, It looks meaningless to me

but good luck to you with your method.

Stosh

[et-thoughts]

Ok,

I followed the directions, It looks meaningless to me

but good luck to you with your method.

Stosh

Stosh

 

I wonder if you actually want to find the meaning? Put another way to you actually want to see the moon I pointed to?

 

Sharing the triangle image stems from work I did elsewhere and the insights that produced... there is a point of convergence where the different points are both 'identical' and 'unique'... This 'singularity'... I find applicable to other domains... and good luck to you with whichever mothod you choose...

[Stosh]

Stosh

 

I wonder if you actually want to find the meaning? Put another way to you actually want to see the moon I pointed to?

 

Sharing the triangle image stems from work I did elsewhere and the insights that produced... there is a point of convergence where the different points are both 'identical' and 'unique'... This 'singularity'... I find applicable to other domains... and good luck to you with whichever mothod you choose...

 

I realized recently some things which I need to digest.

please just carry on.

Stosh

Ps have a nice weekend.

Edited June 29, 2012 by Stosh

[et-thoughts]

Yeah, that is why I try to use very specific words when I am posting a serious post. I really don't like being misunderstood.

 

I know that misunderstanding happen... even when individuals resort to very specific words use... so I prefer to observe what takes place while exploring different possibilities...

 

You do know that its possible for me to say it wrong for you to hear it wrong and still we manage to communicate 'perfectly'... sometimes 'the misunderstandings' expose the serious lessons individuals requite to learn...

[et-thoughts]

I realized recently some things which I need to digest.

please just carry on.

Stosh

Ps have a nice weekend.

 

Do share the realizations you are working with... who knows others may have something to learn from you and them...

[et-thoughts]

You are causing me to think again! Shame on you!!!

 

Balance? No, let's not look for balance. Balance is too much work because as soon as one element moves the other elements must also move in order to maintain the balance. And we all know that the entire universe is constantly moving. How tiring would that be?

 

Let's rather look for harmony. In harmony we can have the trebles and basses and all the ranges in between. The only need here is that one not try to drown out the others. I think it is here where we have enough - nothing more, nothing less.

 

Natural resonance can generate 'catastrophic' changes... (catastrophic: involving large-scale alteration in the state of something)... a small force can accumulate and cause a turnaround... Like the notion of using harmony rather than balance...

Edited June 29, 2012 by et-thoughts

[Harmonious Emptiness]

I realized recently some things which I need to digest.

please just carry on.

Stosh

Ps have a nice weekend.

 

Tea is good for the digestion . Better not to just piss it out yeah?

Edited June 29, 2012 by Harmonious Emptiness

[Everything]

Yeah, that is why I try to use very specific words when I am posting a serious post. I really don't like being misunderstood.

You ever made a very small post and impulsively kept changing a few words in an attempt to have the message become more clear?

 

I always do that and then the only thing that becomes clear is that my message is no longer clear

[et-thoughts]

You ever made a very small post and impulsively kept changing a few words in an attempt to have the message become more clear?

 

I always do that and then the only thing that becomes clear is that my message is no longer clear

maybe... well no... actually yes... now its all so confusing... but the enlightened do understand it right?

 

what used to happen to me was that I would think one thing unknowingly say another and wonder why in the world others didn't get it right--- now sometimes its not what one states, its how one states it that matters... then again sometimes its both and more...