Nocturnal emission question.

[Tom Lin]

So i had been abstaining from any type of orgasm for about a week into yesterday morning when suddenly i started getting a random nocturnal emission. Interestingly during my dream i could tell that i was about to have one. I think me reacting to it actually made it want to release itself more.

 

The issue is that during the emission i actually tried to hold it in but it kept going as i was forcefully trying to hold it mid-ejaculation. (i was barely awake but knew i did not want my jing to spill and i believe not all of it fully came out) After, I knew that i had done the wrong thing by trying to unnaturally hold it in and then throughout the whole day i had a weird feeling in my abdominal/kidney area. This morning i woke up with an erection and also a strange feeling in my testicles, kinda like it still wants to fully finish the emission i guess?

 

Now my question is should i just get myself to ejaculate again naturally and then start over the abstaining process or should i just not even bother as this is a "minor" injury? (Im not really sure if i actually injured my ejaculatory system or not, so now im just confused if i should do something about it or just let it be)

 

I suspect i can do some sort of qiqong meditation to make the feeling in my testicles go away or it may even go away over time, although i am wondering if it is because im still sexually "charged" because i did not fully ejaculate or because i just messed up my ejaculatory system through that act.

 

 

P.s. I am pretty much new here so hello to all and thank you for those whose reply to this!

Edited January 3, 2012 by Tom Lin

[Ish]

Don't worry im pretty sure you haven't damaged anything, generally people get problems if they regularly press the perineum with their finger to forcefully stop the emission.

 

If you are abstaining in my experience doing some reasonably long sessions of seated meditation helps a lot to sublimate the energy, and also tame your mind so you aren't as affected by things arousing the lust.

 

I don't know what qigong you practice, some may increase your kidney yang and make you a bit more horny, others may balance. But give it a day or so without arousing your lust, and do some seated meditation.

[Tom Lin]

Don't worry im pretty sure you haven't damaged anything, generally people get problems if they regularly press the perineum with their finger to forcefully stop the emission.

 

If you are abstaining in my experience doing some reasonably long sessions of seated meditation helps a lot to sublimate the energy, and also tame your mind so you aren't as affected by things arousing the lust.

 

I don't know what qigong you practice, some may increase your kidney yang and make you a bit more horny, others may balance. But give it a day or so without arousing your lust, and do some seated meditation.

 

Yes, so i just did around 40 minutes of sitting breathing meditation and trying to circulate my jing as well as store it, i do feel a lot better!

 

Is the sitting breathing meditation a kidney yang?

[Ish]

I assume you were practicing microcosmic orbit if you were "circulating and storing jing".

If you do it correctly it can decrease your sex drive, circulating the excess energy at the perineum/genitals to the lower dan tian and storing it. I don't know whose methodology you learnt the MCO from so i won't comment further.

 

In my experience, allowing your natural breathing to slow and deepen to the lower abdomen is a good excercise to balance energy, so no it shouldn't cause nocturnal emission.

Most qigong/meditation practiced correctly will increase your energy in some way, so just be mindful of your thoughts not giving rise to lust.

[Tom Lin]

I assume you were practicing microcosmic orbit if you were "circulating and storing jing".

If you do it correctly it can decrease your sex drive, circulating the excess energy at the perineum/genitals to the lower dan tian and storing it. I don't know whose methodology you learnt the MCO from so i won't comment further.

 

In my experience, allowing your natural breathing to slow and deepen to the lower abdomen is a good excercise to balance energy, so no it shouldn't cause nocturnal emission.

Most qigong/meditation practiced correctly will increase your energy in some way, so just be mindful of your thoughts not giving rise to lust.

 

 

Honestly i do not think i am doing it correctly because i am relatively new to qiqong. Could you explain how you do microcosmic orbit if you know?

 

And yes i have been doing that and i will try my best to stay out of lust.

[Ish]

I don't think you should practice microcosmic orbit if you are a beginner. Especially learning from books.

Moving qigong and seated breathing or emptiness meditation without visualisation are excellent, as long as you go about them with the focus of being relaxed, open and keeping your mind calm, you can circulate and build energy much more efficiently than MCO.

The best option is to eventually learn from an instructor or master.

Edited January 3, 2012 by Ish

[Tom Lin]

I don't think you should practice microcosmic orbit if you are a beginner. Especially learning from books.

Moving qigong and seated breathing or emptiness meditation without visualisation are excellent, as long as you go about them with the focus of being relaxed, open and keeping your mind calm, you can circulate and build energy much more efficiently than MCO.

The best option is to eventually learn from an instructor or master.

 

Okay i will do just that, thank you again for the reply

[voidisyinyang]

So i had been abstaining from any type of orgasm for about a week into yesterday morning when suddenly i started getting a random nocturnal emission. Interestingly during my dream i could tell that i was about to have one. I think me reacting to it actually made it want to release itself more.

 

The issue is that during the emission i actually tried to hold it in but it kept going as i was forcefully trying to hold it mid-ejaculation. (i was barely awake but knew i did not want my jing to spill and i believe not all of it fully came out) After, I knew that i had done the wrong thing by trying to unnaturally hold it in and then throughout the whole day i had a weird feeling in my abdominal/kidney area. This morning i woke up with an erection and also a strange feeling in my testicles, kinda like it still wants to fully finish the emission i guess?

 

Now my question is should i just get myself to ejaculate again naturally and then start over the abstaining process or should i just not even bother as this is a "minor" injury? (Im not really sure if i actually injured my ejaculatory system or not, so now im just confused if i should do something about it or just let it be)

 

I suspect i can do some sort of qiqong meditation to make the feeling in my testicles go away or it may even go away over time, although i am wondering if it is because im still sexually "charged" because i did not fully ejaculate or because i just messed up my ejaculatory system through that act.

 

 

P.s. I am pretty much new here so hello to all and thank you for those whose reply to this!

 

You would want to study the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" as that gives all the details about how to stop emissions and why they should be stopped -- you can download the book at my blog http://fulllotusqigong.blogspot.com

[Tom Lin]

You would want to study the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" as that gives all the details about how to stop emissions and why they should be stopped -- you can download the book at my blog http://fulllotusqigong.blogspot.com

 

Wow thank you for that. The book does seem very in depth with taoist alchemy.

 

In the book it says when you meditate you should look at the tip of your nose. When i do that my eyes cross...is that what your supposed to do?

[voidisyinyang]

Wow thank you for that. The book does seem very in depth with taoist alchemy.

 

In the book it says when you meditate you should look at the tip of your nose. When i do that my eyes cross...is that what your supposed to do?

 

Wow I always wanted to be able to cross my eyes. haha. Yeah that is supposed to connect your incorporeal soul and corporeal soul (either sun and moon as chi energy or liver and lung as jing energy). I was thinking about that today -- it gets too complicated with all the elements turning into each and the different levels of energy. But also it says to rotate the eyes to activate your spirit and move your spirit for the small universe energy. I don't do any of this yet but then I can't go cross-eyed. haha. It also mentions just closing the eyes as a way to focus the spirit energy so I just do that. I have to read it again for more details. One thing mentioned is that when the lower tan tien opens up into true meditation that shows the spirit light of the tiger vitality chi energy from the jing energy -- anyway it feels like your eyes are falling back into your body. So this is also the feeling when falling asleep in full lotus and the the light energy is activated. I mean it makes sense because the fourth state of sleep is turiya -- so when we fall asleep it is like natural meditation but we are just not aware of the light energy created from consciousness of turiya. Also the eye spirit energy goes to the liver during sleep which is also a kind of falling back into the head.

[Harmonious Emptiness]

Some say looking at the nose is more an expression just to mean lower your gaze without closing your eyes, so that you're not looking around if you need to keep your eyes open to stay concentrated. I think for most Taoist meditation, closed is better so you can feel internal energy better, whereas gazing at the floor is more for Zen meditation, though I'm not sure either are 100% exclusively on or the other.

 

I recommend Daniel Reid's book for getting into retention. His suggested practices start at the laymen level, where most people are. I think it depends on what you're doing it for as well. Some people practice retention for months at a time without a clear practice with a talented teacher.. this, I think, is dangerous, rather pointless, and unnecessary for most people, especially younger men. Some people stop producing the hormones that they were trying to enhance by doing so.

 

If you practice retention with a partner in real life, you can practice it in dreams too. In fact the only Taoist practices I've heard of that speak about retention would do so with a consort, and this relieves much of the discomfort.

[Aetherous]

In the book it says when you meditate you should look at the tip of your nose. When i do that my eyes cross...is that what your supposed to do?

 

I was taught by two teachers to look beyond the nose, not crossing the eyes. Just look downward with the eyelids partly closed, and your attention drawn within.

 

Be cautious with learning about this book from fulllotus, he isn't a teacher, nor has he been taught this path...since he has only learned from a qigong teacher, Chunyi Lin. His assertions on the book and practice in general are usually completely false.

[michael245]

Everyone goes through wet dreams when first starting out retention,don't start all over again.

[voidisyinyang]

Wow thank you for that. The book does seem very in depth with taoist alchemy.

 

In the book it says when you meditate you should look at the tip of your nose. When i do that my eyes cross...is that what your supposed to do?

 

To fix the spirit consists of concentration which draws the pupils of both eyes as close as possible to each other.

p. 52 Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality

 

If you look on the image at the start of chapter six, page. 62 -- the person has their eyes crossed.

 

Again I've never crossed my eyes that I know of because it doesn't seem healthy -- so I find this very fascinating that Taoist Yoga at least considers crossing the eyes a signficant part of the practice.

 

However, if he can unite the element of metal (male) with the element of wood (female) and the sun with the moon in one place by drawing his pupils closely together in a squint, and if he then concentrates them and looks within, he will see the light of true vitality appearing (between his eyes) in front of his original cavity of spirit which will then hold to prevent it from running away; and the longer it is held the brighter it will be.

 

P. 72. Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality

 

So cross-eyed seems to be quite significant in opening the third eye.

 

When the sun and the moon without unite (i.e. when the pupils of the eyes are drawn close to each other in a squint for pointed concentration), the heart (the house of fire) and the lower abdomen (the house of water) within are automatically linked; only then can prenatal vitality develop gradually.

 

p. 89. Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality.

 

So again it seems like going cross-eyed is almost critical to the practice.

Edited January 8, 2012 by fulllotus

[levo]

I was taught by two teachers to look beyond the nose, not crossing the eyes. Just look downward with the eyelids partly closed, and your attention drawn within.

 

Be cautious with learning about this book from fulllotus, he isn't a teacher, nor has he been taught this path...since he has only learned from a qigong teacher, Chunyi Lin. His assertions on the book and practice in general are usually completely false.

completely false?? That's pretty judgemental. I dont remember Drew indicating his experiences are the only way or the highway. If he's experiencing and perceiving things in a certain way, and mentions about them here, then that's his truth as long as he is not lying about his perceived experiences. Everybody's truth could be different at times.

 

So are you saying this because you have been taught by 'two' teachers instead of one, or you are a teacher?

 

You may want to say his truth is not 'applicable' to you, rather than saying his stuff is usually completely false.

[Aetherous]

About crossing the eyes...I suggest you try to find that same advice in other books on Taoist alchemy. If it's not there, maybe you shouldn't believe in it! It's wise to consider that the author misunderstood, mistranslated, mispracticed, etc.

 

It's usually recommended that you have a living teacher for very good reasons. And they recommend that you don't teach others without being an authentic teacher, for very good reasons.

 

...

 

About being judgmental...it's totally fine in my view if people here share their experiences, and their insights. That's what this forum is about!

 

But it's not fine to make authoritative statements when you're essentially just inventing your own spiritual path (full lotusism?). Have some humility. You will mislead others...

 

...and that is when I step in.

 

Not saying I am putting myself in a position to lead anyone here...that's not the purpose of this forum, and it's not why I'm here. But I am here to be a voice of reason in the midst of an amateur parading around as a teacher of these paths.

 

I do consider a lot of what he says to be completely false, not just for me and my own path, but for everyone.

 

So, I just hope that we all can be led to the correct way. If I have to be "judgmental" in order to protect some beginners, then so be it.

[michael245]

Tom Lin, noc emmission only happens about once or twice.Asfor the pain in you're feeling in the gland,it eventually goes away in a few days.The trick is to do everything you can to produce prana fast,like eating raw vegtables,breathing excercises.faster is better.

Edited January 8, 2012 by michael245

[michael245]

Also,when practicing sex retention for the first couple of weeks avoid practicing brazillian ju jitsu moves like this one

:lol:

Edited January 9, 2012 by michael245

[ngs24]

So i had been abstaining from any type of orgasm for about a week into yesterday morning when suddenly i started getting a random nocturnal emission. Interestingly during my dream i could tell that i was about to have one. I think me reacting to it actually made it want to release itself more.

 

The issue is that during the emission i actually tried to hold it in but it kept going as i was forcefully trying to hold it mid-ejaculation. (i was barely awake but knew i did not want my jing to spill and i believe not all of it fully came out) After, I knew that i had done the wrong thing by trying to unnaturally hold it in and then throughout the whole day i had a weird feeling in my abdominal/kidney area. This morning i woke up with an erection and also a strange feeling in my testicles, kinda like it still wants to fully finish the emission i guess?

 

Now my question is should i just get myself to ejaculate again naturally and then start over the abstaining process or should i just not even bother as this is a "minor" injury? (Im not really sure if i actually injured my ejaculatory system or not, so now im just confused if i should do something about it or just let it be)

 

I suspect i can do some sort of qiqong meditation to make the feeling in my testicles go away or it may even go away over time, although i am wondering if it is because im still sexually "charged" because i did not fully ejaculate or because i just messed up my ejaculatory system through that act.

 

 

P.s. I am pretty much new here so hello to all and thank you for those whose reply to this!

Are you sleeping on your stomach? I was having the same problem up until about 6 weeks ago before I switched to my side. I was having a few a week on my stomach and tried everything but couldn't stop them. Since I switched to my side I've only had 2 over the past 6 weeks, it was as simple as that. Just a suggestion if you are......

[Cheshire Cat]

 

Now my question is should i just get myself to ejaculate again naturally and then start over the abstaining process or should i just not even bother as this is a "minor" injury? (Im not really sure if i actually injured my ejaculatory system or not, so now im just confused if i should do something about it or just let it be)

 

I suggest to let things flow.

If your body (physical or energetic) need a discharge, then it will trigger those things,

your testicles will be tense at any time and you will feel a subtle discomfort peeing (this can easily go

worst).

 

The best thing you can do is to let "natural celibacy" eventually occur.

This happens when your mind is purified (no porno movie, no erotic fantasy, etc...)

and your sexual energy is required for something else (MCO and storing for esample).

When your sexual energy is actually in use and not stagnate, the urge to ejaculate will disappear ... naturally.

Until you chase the tiger flirting with girls =)

 

If you are not using the excess energy, there is no reason at all to undergo this torture

because you have to teach your body how to use it. Your body will continue to put

sexual energy in your groin area until finally you release, if not teach properly by meditation.

 

 

Please never sleep on your abdomen also :-D

[RiverSnake]

I suggest to let things flow.

If your body (physical or energetic) need a discharge, then it will trigger those things,

your testicles will be tense at any time and you will feel a subtle discomfort peeing (this can easily go

worst).

 

The best thing you can do is to let "natural celibacy" eventually occur.

This happens when your mind is purified (no porno movie, no erotic fantasy, etc...)

and your sexual energy is required for something else (MCO and storing for esample).

When your sexual energy is actually in use and not stagnate, the urge to ejaculate will disappear ... naturally.

Until you chase the tiger flirting with girls =)

 

If you are not using the excess energy, there is no reason at all to undergo this torture

because you have to teach your body how to use it. Your body will continue to put

sexual energy in your groin area until finally you release, if not teach properly by meditation.

 

 

Please never sleep on your abdomen also :-D

 

I agree. I have had similar experiences. Purify the mind (the mind is key) and find a useful outlet for your energy: Meditation, working our, Chi-Gung, Work...etc

[Tom Lin]

Its okay guys, ive been doing fine two weeks in...no emission.

 

and nah i have always usually slept on my back and sides.

[Aaron]

So i had been abstaining from any type of orgasm for about a week into yesterday morning when suddenly i started getting a random nocturnal emission. Interestingly during my dream i could tell that i was about to have one. I think me reacting to it actually made it want to release itself more.

 

The issue is that during the emission i actually tried to hold it in but it kept going as i was forcefully trying to hold it mid-ejaculation. (i was barely awake but knew i did not want my jing to spill and i believe not all of it fully came out) After, I knew that i had done the wrong thing by trying to unnaturally hold it in and then throughout the whole day i had a weird feeling in my abdominal/kidney area. This morning i woke up with an erection and also a strange feeling in my testicles, kinda like it still wants to fully finish the emission i guess?

 

Now my question is should i just get myself to ejaculate again naturally and then start over the abstaining process or should i just not even bother as this is a "minor" injury? (Im not really sure if i actually injured my ejaculatory system or not, so now im just confused if i should do something about it or just let it be)

 

I suspect i can do some sort of qiqong meditation to make the feeling in my testicles go away or it may even go away over time, although i am wondering if it is because im still sexually "charged" because i did not fully ejaculate or because i just messed up my ejaculatory system through that act.

 

 

P.s. I am pretty much new here so hello to all and thank you for those whose reply to this!

 

Hello Tom,

 

I'm sorry I took so long to get to this post, this is normally the type of question I answer quickly. One thing which I think is important to address, is why are you abstaining from sex? Also how long do you plan to abstain?

 

That aside, nocturnal emissions are quite common when people give up masturbation or normal sexual relations. The body has a way of cleansing itself of fluids on its own, so if you decide to give it up one way, then it invariably finds a way to do it some other way.

 

Now an interesting study that supports this idea is that in cultures where masturbation is discouraged and seldom practiced, we find a much higher rate of people having nocturnal emissions. Of course one can say, "Oh sex is bad and whenever you have an orgasm, you're losing a bit more jing", but of course my question is, then why does nearly everyone on the planet either masturbate frequently or experience nocturnal emissions? I think, especially when you're young, that it's healthy spiritually, physically, and emotionally to masturbate and have sex, as you grow older the desire to do these things recedes. I really despise those people who teach young men and women that they need to be ashamed of sex or that somehow sex is wrong or bad, those people are really just plain evil, no other way to say it. More often than not, the people giving these lectures, are the same ones that go out to visit the prostitutes (seriously) or something else considered deviant. If you don't believe me, just look at all the scandals involving holy men of most religions, not just Catholics, but Buddhists, Muslims, and Hindu's as well.

 

Aaron

Edited January 19, 2012 by Twinner

[Mal]

I do consider a lot of what he says to be completely false, not just for me and my own path, but for everyone.

 

I'd go further and recommend that, if it's your only source of instruction, then do not practice from Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality.

 

Instead I would recommend http://www.precisiondocs.com/~altaoism/HLIntro.htm for a more balanced approach.

 

I think, especially when you're young, that it's healthy spiritually, physically, and emotionally to masturbate and have sex, as you grow older the desire to do these things recedes. I really despise those people who teach young men and women that they need to be ashamed of sex or that somehow sex is wrong or bad.

 

Personally, while I can recognize the signs during a dream and retain, I now feel that nocturnal emissions are my body's way of balancing and, for me, they are a sign that I have not balanced my practices as well as I could have.

 

(note: Long term retention is not something I practice, I feel in general it's a practice that has more negatives than positives)

[Cheshire Cat]

That aside, nocturnal emissions are quite common when people give up masturbation or normal sexual relations. The body has a way of cleansing itself of fluids on its own, so if you decide to give it up one way, then it invariably finds a way to do it some other way.

 

This is true for urines, but semen is not a waste material.

Things are quite different.

 

While you cannot stop yourself from producing urine,it is possible

to stop the production of semen and uses the energy involved, in a different way.

This is the theory behind the methods that prove a man can stay for long periods without sexual activity.

 

I really despise those people who teach young men and women that they need to be ashamed of sex or that somehow sex is wrong or bad, those people are really just plain evil, no other way to say it. More often than not, the people giving these lectures, are the same ones that go out to visit the prostitutes (seriously) or something else considered deviant. If you don't believe me, just look at all the scandals involving holy men of most religions, not just Catholics, but Buddhists, Muslims, and Hindu's as well.

 

I'm totally agree.

Those people deny sexuality and this same power take revenge by driving them mad (phedophilia...).

 

But there is someone who want to preserve (not deny) his/her sexuality and use it for different

purpose. This is not evil.