Global Revolution!

[Informer]

Live Feed

 

There is a revolution beginning in the Manhattan financial distict.

 

Occupywallst.org

[Marblehead]

I think it is funny that the NYTimes had nothing on this but international news units are covering it.

 

Those folks have a big battle ahead of them. I wish them well.

[Birch]

I'm willing to bet there won't be as much media cheerleading for this one as there was for the "Jasmine Revolution".

I don't like it much if/when stuff gets violent as I'm personally a bit of a sap with no combat skills (except running away).

 

I dunno, I tend to think revolutions happen inside oneself when you realise that you don't need any of that sh*t. You don't even need to go to bat with it. Don't need to engage it. Because engaging it gives it legitimacy.

 

Mr MH, you're not seriously saying that you're surprised that NY Times didn't cover it

[Ambrose_Bierce]

Did you guys check out the links?

 

They are against corporate greed and are moving for economy based upon the "NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE".

 

They are also non-violent, it seems the police are still being brutal anyway according to live feed.

[XieJia]

I think the Media have been discouraged from covering it properly.

I can barely find info on it.

 

Best Wishes from Thailand

[Marblehead]

Mr MH, you're not seriously saying that you're surprised that NY Times didn't cover it

 

Hehehe. No, not really surprised. But it is happening right there in their face. How can they ignore it? They are supposed to be reporting on it and letting the public know it is happening.

 

It is a peaceful revolution. So far four people arrested for peacefully demonstrating.

 

 

PS Yes, I did go to the site but not the live feed.

Edited September 21, 2011 by Marblehead

[Jetsun]

Is that a global revolution involving the whole globe in the same way that the World Series involves the whole world?

[joeblast]

what do these people think marching on wall street is going to accomplish? it might help to do a little reading instead of protesting 'the bogeyman.' instead of hating the players, why not direct that animosity towards those whom are screwing with the rules of the game?

 

this is off topic as well.

[Informer]

Is that a global revolution involving the whole globe in the same way that the World Series involves the whole world?

 

The citizens of the USA are just now becomming a part of the global revolution that has been taking place all over the world, do you live under a rock or something?

 

what do these people think marching on wall street is going to accomplish? it might help to do a little reading instead of protesting 'the bogeyman.' instead of hating the players, why not direct that animosity towards those whom are screwing with the rules of the game?

 

this is off topic as well.

 

The big banker's and business are the ones screwing with the politics with special interests. Every single President Elect last term had recieved money from the oil companies to do thier bidding, as they have.

Edited September 21, 2011 by Informer

[joeblast]

The big banker's and business are the ones screwing with the politics with special interests. Every single President Elect last term had recieved money from the oil companies to do thier bidding, as they have.

You're entirely missing that is a two way street. It takes two to tango, man.

 

oil companies, do their bidding people havent gotten tired of that veritable fallacy yet? if the illusion of such exists, its simply because we rely a ton on energy, and we get a ton from oil, therefore its in the country's best interests to develop the resource - and any leader we put in office should understand that, least it be to our detriment (as we have been finding out the last couple years.) look at what happened to the market when US production was all but frozen by regulations and moratoriums - that's why we're paying a shitload at the pump, not because an oil company gave a donation to a politician so that they can both line their pockets.

 

these tall tales may sound nice in the little sewing circles that they're invented in, but they overlook so many aspects of reality and replace them with conspiracy, its utterly laughable. in those paradigms the only motive is lining pockets via corruption and shadow games and entirely disregards the reality that actually drives decisions.

 

 

the only global revolution that's taking (or going to take, if people arent seeing it already) place is the one where people realize the ride isnt free, somebody at some point has to pay, and people are squirming to try and get out of it, politicians are squirming to try and get away from the reality of what they should, must do, versus the traditional line of garbage that kicks the can down the road and promises votes at the next election.

 

[Informer]

[Informer]

You're entirely missing that is a two way street. It takes two to tango, man.

 

oil companies, do their bidding people havent gotten tired of that veritable fallacy yet? if the illusion of such exists, its simply because we rely a ton on energy, and we get a ton from oil, therefore its in the country's best interests to develop the resource - and any leader we put in office should understand that, least it be to our detriment (as we have been finding out the last couple years.) look at what happened to the market when US production was all but frozen by regulations and moratoriums - that's why we're paying a shitload at the pump, not because an oil company gave a donation to a politician so that they can both line their pockets.

The entire system is proped up by the federal reserve which is simply creating debt from thin air, if this hasn't become obvious to you by now it probably never will. The entire system is built for the convieniences of business who's entire philosophy revolves around profit. Not about being effecient or innovative to make things that last, or preserves natural resources.

 

these tall tales may sound nice in the little sewing circles that they're invented in, but they overlook so many aspects of reality and replace them with conspiracy, its utterly laughable. in those paradigms the only motive is lining pockets via corruption and shadow games and entirely disregards the reality that actually drives decisions.

Which tall tales? The ones that lead you into to a content and docile state when things are obviously corrupt? Putting your head in the ground doesn't make it go away as an ostrich may think.

 

the only global revolution that's taking (or going to take, if people arent seeing it already) place is the one where people realize the ride isnt free, somebody at some point has to pay, and people are squirming to try and get out of it, politicians are squirming to try and get away from the reality of what they should, must do, versus the traditional line of garbage that kicks the can down the road and promises votes at the next election.

Open your eyes, governments across the world are toppling to accomodate the new age. You can deny it all you want, but the proof is in the pudding.

Edited September 21, 2011 by Informer

[Jetsun]

From an outside perspective I think a big problem with the political culture of the US is that it is still too heavily influenced by outdated Cold War anti communist propaganda, in that you often hear people use the term socialist as an insult and many progressive moves are shot down as being communist like it's the worst insult you can throw at someone, whereas if you look at some European states a little bit of socialism alongside the free market goes a long way to improving overall quality of life and happiness for everyone within countries. So I think those guys in wall street are doing a good job at sending a message but I don't expect attitudes to change until a new generation of politician takes over who didn't grow up during the time of anti Soviet propaganda was brainwashing everyones views on things.

[Green Tiger]

Viva la Resistance!!!

 

[thelerner]

Viva la Resistance!!!

What can the little people do? Stop supporting the system. Shred your credit cards. Close your checking account and refuse to accept checks. If your employer won't give you cash(or gold) as payment quit. If your house is mortgaged sell it! Same with your car.

 

Stop supporting all publicly listed 'fat cat' stock market companies. Be wary of private ones owned by millionaires. Stop buying and eating food from factory farms.

 

Don't trust the government. Don't accept its money or use its roads, schools or police. Don't trust the water supply.

 

Viva la Resistance?!!!!

[Informer]

"The reason this is exciting, even though there is a lot of diverse groups, I don't necessarily agree with anyone's solution down there, but it is important that they are raising the questions and starting to appeal to the real power source. Not even Washington, because the government is really just a medium, a go between, for the power structure for the power dynamics,and Wall Street for right now and for some time has held most of that power." Edited September 21, 2011 by Informer

[joeblast]

The entire system is proped up by the federal reserve which is simply creating debt from thin air, if this hasn't become obvious to you by now it probably never will. The entire system is built for the convieniences of business who's entire philosophy revolves around profit. Not about being effecient or innovative to make things that last, or preserves natural resources.

Who introduced the federal reserve? Same forces that introduced SS, extended the depression and made it Great in the 1930s - and funny enough, the same political ideas and agendas as those who helped made this recent recession far greater than it otherwise would have been.

 

Why is the fed printing money? To shield from reality, from real value being reflected. Why do that? Whose ass does it cover, whose ass does it save?

 

Your ire is misdirected because of lies, namely that socialism of any sort is really "fair" or productive. Sure, it may produce, but that model cant hold a candle to a true free market. *That* is what's truly fair - there are a great many things people feel entitled to that they are not due. "Rights" become invented.

 

I find it funny that people believe just about every corporation is out there to screw people over just to make a buck. Completely ignoring the fact that the relationship is a symbiotic one - if you screw your customers over, they are going to find another seller to fill their needs. That's why overregulation, monopoly, and government control simply propagate pre-chosen winners and losers and stifle competition, distort the market - and who loses? The general population.

 

The root problem we have in this country is political, not financial. We have a political class that believes constantly screwing with the rules of the game to make it "fair, du jour" is a viable way to prosper - its not. Its a way to throw monkey wrenches into the gears of the free market. It makes business owners run their business on political considerations instead of market considerations - or at the very least, distorts the ratio to such an extent so as to distort the market itself.

 

I know it feels good to rail against the man and all, but sheesh. At least know who it is and why you are irked! How is it that it is perceived that Wall St has all this power, and the governments that make up the rules...why, they're not to blame, not even part of the problem!? Seriously??? That YT vid is delusional.

[Informer]

Who introduced the federal reserve? Same forces that introduced SS, extended the depression and made it Great in the 1930s - and funny enough, the same political ideas and agendas as those who helped made this recent recession far greater than it otherwise would have been.

 

Why is the fed printing money? To shield from reality, from real value being reflected. Why do that? Whose ass does it cover, whose ass does it save?

 

Your ire is misdirected because of lies, namely that socialism of any sort is really "fair" or productive. Sure, it may produce, but that model cant hold a candle to a true free market. *That* is what's truly fair - there are a great many things people feel entitled to that they are not due. "Rights" become invented.

 

I find it funny that people believe just about every corporation is out there to screw people over just to make a buck. Completely ignoring the fact that the relationship is a symbiotic one - if you screw your customers over, they are going to find another seller to fill their needs. That's why overregulation, monopoly, and government control simply propagate pre-chosen winners and losers and stifle competition, distort the market - and who loses? The general population.

 

The root problem we have in this country is political, not financial. We have a political class that believes constantly screwing with the rules of the game to make it "fair, du jour" is a viable way to prosper - its not. Its a way to throw monkey wrenches into the gears of the free market. It makes business owners run their business on political considerations instead of market considerations - or at the very least, distorts the ratio to such an extent so as to distort the market itself.

 

I know it feels good to rail against the man and all, but sheesh. At least know who it is and why you are irked! How is it that it is perceived that Wall St has all this power, and the governments that make up the rules...why, they're not to blame, not even part of the problem!? Seriously??? That YT vid is delusional.

 

You can argue these points until your face turns blue. The free market runs off maximizing profits, they get away with polluting our earth if they fork over paper. They use Media to market those who they want in office, generally deciding who does make it into office, because of the media coverage. The politicians who make it into office do so because they have an ideology that will increase the said businesses profit. The reasons they do this is because it is profitable! Duh!

 

This system revolves around profiting and maximizing that profit, generally at the cost of our earth.

 

Where is incentive to make products that last? I mean look at the Automobile Industry, non of these cars are standardized even by now. They don't use interchangeable parts, and instead much of the material is wasted. It is profitable for items to have a lower life, so that you will have to buy it again!

 

I know you can see how this inefficiency is profitable, even though it leads to more Landfills and companies cutting more corners. Sure it is partly our responsibility, because we allow it. Well, people are starting to stand up and realize that they are as much to blame for condoning it. Our nation is inefficient, the government isn't helping make it more efficient or get us away from fossil fuels, or promoting clean energy half as much as it should be. Why? BECAUSE IT IS NOT PROFITABLE TO DO SO . . .

[Aaron]

The only certain way to win a battle is not to fight at all.

 

One does not win a battle simply by shouting the truth, but rather doing what you know is right and not doing what you know is wrong.

 

Aaron

[Informer]

Paris is Protesting too!

 

 

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/democracia-real-paris

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

The only certain way to win a battle is not to fight at all.

 

One does not win a battle simply by shouting the truth, but rather doing what you know is right and not doing what you know is wrong.

 

Aaron

 

 

This is all we can do.

 

 

We all have the "right idea" in our own heads, but who is right?

 

 

The guy who gets a good night's sleep and honets hard day's work, to survive and do it again the next day.

[Green Tiger]

What exactly is political yoga?

[thelerner]

Love the idea! Only if the government didn't make it oh-so difficult!! Government agents going undercover to dismantle local famers and food cooperatives. Check out these stories:

Got Raw Milk? Be Very Quiet

Shhhh, you're making it very hard to be sarcastic

 

 

Green Tiger "What exactly is political yoga? "

 

I think its the age old discipline of being extremely flexible.. with the truth.

Edited September 21, 2011 by thelerner

[Taomeow]

The only certain way to win a battle is not to fight at all.

 

"Lao-tzu said:

 

When people govern by inaction, this is contrived, and so it is harmful. Those who govern by inaction are deliberately being inactive, and those who act in a deliberately contrived manner cannot be uncontrived. Those who cannot be uncontrived cannot be creative.

 

If people say nothing but their spirits are talking, this is harmful. If they say nothing but their spirits are putting on the act of saying nothing, this is harmful to the spirit that is spiritual." -- Wen-tzu, Ch. 30

[Marblehead]

"Lao-tzu said:

 

When people govern by inaction, this is contrived, and so it is harmful. Those who govern by inaction are deliberately being inactive, and those who act in a deliberately contrived manner cannot be uncontrived. Those who cannot be uncontrived cannot be creative.

 

If people say nothing but their spirits are talking, this is harmful. If they say nothing but their spirits are putting on the act of saying nothing, this is harmful to the spirit that is spiritual." -- Wen-tzu, Ch. 30

 

Are you sure Lao Tzu said that? Hehehe.