Global Revolution!

[Immortal4life]

 

 

Oh, so its the speculators that have driven food and commodity prices through the roof? It must certainly be coincidence that we now grow more corn for fuel than we do for food.

 

 

To get back on topic, isn't that the point of Occupy Wall Street? They are saying money is a made up construct, it doesn't actually exist. It's something people made up.

 

The environment on the other hand, is real. No one invented the environment. So, when it com es to things like the environment, money should not be an issue. We should do what is best for the environment, whether it makes anyone poor or rich doesn't matter. If it makes people poor, or has an ecomonic downside, then the system must change because the environment should trump false things like money. It's the systems fault, not the environments fault. And I can't see how anyone could rationally, if given the choice of keeping the environment or keeping the money system, would pick to keep the money system.

Edited December 13, 2011 by Immortal4life

[joeblast]

To get back on topic, isn't that the point of Occupy Wall Street? They are saying money is a made up construct, it doesn't actually exist. It's something people made up.

 

The environment on the other hand, is real. No one invented the environment. So, when it com es to things like the environment, money should not be an issue. We should do what is best for the environment, whether it makes anyone poor or rich doesn't matter. If it makes people poor, or has an ecomonic downside, then the system must change because the environment should trump false things like money. It's the systems fault, not the environments fault. And I can't see how anyone could rationally, if given the choice of keeping the environment or keeping the money system, would pick to keep the money system.

Oh sweet moral equivalences. Now, if we were still on the barter system, since bread is real, milk is real, what then? The fact of the matter is, even though "money is an artificial construct" it is still an actual resource even though it was created to obscure end goods from the users - that is just smart resource usage. Intangibles like credit are an actual resource. It used to be that one's own good word was even a "usable resource" - if you are known for always keeping your word, that carries weight with the people you interact with - thus the "resource" is "usable" in that it facilitates harmonious interaction, in this case. Resources are tools one has at his disposal - society has already long since agreed that we shall all give money value so that we wont need to be concerned with equivalent goods and other untenable situations.

 

One thing you are correct on, people will be poor, people will be rich, it doesnt matter. Such are the different stations one manifests as we traverse the steep mountain. But the good thing is, freedom provides one the ability to take out a machete and begin carving their own path up the mountain if they are too impatient with the traverse.

 

So no, this whole "money is fake and doesnt exist" is merely a bunch of whiners dissatisfied with their lot in life - they are greedy and do not have enough to satisfy their greed, therefore their ego manifests anger directed at those whom they perceive to have usurped their chance at taking the steep path.

 

It is a fallacy to have to "choose between the environment and money." It is proper resource usage that is the best way through.

[ralis]

fantastic! Well, we have no unregulated free markets - so what now since your starting point is null and void?

 

I've already demonstrated ways in which governmental action takes normal ebb and flow of business, distorts incentives through select favors, leads to an impacted depth of understanding of drivers of particular market forces, which in turn leads to bad decisions which lead to bubbles. In the absence of political favors and other distortion, bubbles are far less likely to develop since the factors which determine solvency are more apparent to the average decider of business direction.

 

Oh, so its the speculators that have driven food and commodity prices through the roof? It must certainly be coincidence that we now grow more corn for fuel than we do for food.

 

Basics, ralis. You're so rabid about those eveil corporations that you are missing very basic, simple reasons for why things happen.

 

Wall Street is unregulated to the degree that financial havoc is the norm!

[joeblast]

I'll ask again for the root! Will I get an honest answer?

[9th]

now, get out there and save the world

[ralis]

Another fine example of how stupidity is rewarded in today's political discourse. Viewers believe this stuff!

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/14/oreilly-surprised-to-learn-u-s-govt-controls-the-military/

Edited December 15, 2011 by ralis

[Informer]

Another fine example of how stupidity is rewarded in today's political discourse. Viewers believe this stuff!

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/14/oreilly-surprised-to-learn-u-s-govt-controls-the-military/

 

The level of dumb in this country never ceases to amaze me.

 

What I get out of it is that he will say whatever you want if you will elect him.

Edited December 15, 2011 by Informer

[JustARandomPanda]

Just found this today at the Scientific American website.

 

It's a new book being released titled People Will Talk: The Surprising Science of Reputation.

 

Here's an excerpt from the book.

 

And here's my excerpts of the excerpt as it possibly pertains to this thread

 

 

No apologies from investment bankers

 

In contrast, look at how investment bankers have responded to the stratospherically expensive rescue of their industry. The drop in their reputations was every bit as precipitous as it was for British MPs. And yet judging from the bonuses they continue to reward themselves and their efforts to resist regulation, they are unabashed. The journalist Andrew Ross Sorkin has said that when he asked leading figures in the industry whether they felt any remorse, "The answer, almost unequivocally, was no." Bankers, he says, see themselves more as "survivors" of the crisis than its cause.

 

British MPs could say the same. Yet while politicians have to worry about their reputations with the public, bankers have few ties to non-bankers, working long hours and socializing mainly with their colleagues. They don't need to worry about those on the outside, and within banking, the behavior that led to the meltdown was somewhere between normal and virtuous, so no need to feel bad. If some bankers look like psychopaths, that's not because they're bad, it's because they don't need to care what we think.

 

The chance to make a lot of money quickly is another reason to behave selfishly. The economist Will Hutton blamed the banking crisis on huge bonuses that "trashed the need for individuals to worry about integrity." Such people, he wrote, "don't need to be concerned about their reputations; they just need one deal or one year at the top and they need never work again."

 

 

 

The problem with too much money

 

Extreme wealth damages society not because it corrupts, but because it isolates. Inequality severs connections, splitting people into groups whose members cannot influence one another. This may be one reason why more unequal societies suffer more crime and mental illness, regardless of their wealth. Making connections, on the other hand, forces people to confront the consequences of their actions. Restorative justice, in which criminals meet their victims, has a good record of preventing re-offending, and a project called Operation Ceasefire, pioneered in Boston and applied in other cities in the U.S. and U.K., has reduced gun- and gang-crime partly by bringing victims and perpetrators together. Our social natures make it harder for us to hurt people we see as like us.

 

The problem in the financial sector was not that its members sold their reputations. It was that reputations were not at risk. The incentives to gamble so dwarfed the penalties for failure that it was difficult for anyone, regardless of how dishonest or incompetent he might be, to damage anyone else. This gave bankers little reason to worry about their professional reputations, and little reason to regulate themselves. In contrast, the British expenses scandal caused a backlash against all mainstream politicians. The guilty dragged down the innocent, giving everyone a reason to reform.

 

In a prescient article written in 2005, the London banker Stanislas Yassukovich said that investment banks had come to see scandals as an advertisement, rather than an indictment. "Reputational risk is no longer a meaningful element of corporate policy," he wrote. "It is no longer a question of knowing right from wrong; it is a matter of knowing what you can get away with and what might be the cost of getting caught." When the answers to these questions are, respectively, "plenty" and "not much," it's hard for anyone to behave well.

[joeblast]

The level of dumb in this country never ceases to amaze me.

 

What I get out of it is that he will say whatever you want if you will elect him.

Yeah Romney stands in a looooong list of politicians who will say just about whatever the crowd in front of him wants to hear. The country doesnt need someone who has to be encouraged to be fiscally conservative.

[Informer]

[gendao]

Yup, in fact, the bill originally exempted American citizens from such unjust imprisonment. But, the Obama administration specifically asked them to remove that exemption.

Just an update...We The Sheeple may soon kiss our remaining vestigial rights GOODBYE!!!

This bill, passed late last night in a 93-7 vote, declares the entire USA to be a "battleground" upon which U.S. military forces can operate with impunity, overriding Posse Comitatus and granting the military the unchecked power to arrest, detain, interrogate and even assassinate U.S. citizens with impunity

 

...the detention mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn't limited to foreigners.

 

The passage of this law is nothing less than an outright declaration of WAR against the American People by the military-connected power elite. If this is signed into law, it will shred the remaining tenants of the Bill of Rights and unleash upon America a total military dictatorship, complete with secret arrests, secret prisons, unlawful interrogations, indefinite detainment without ever being charged with a crime, the torture of Americans and even the "legitimate assassination" of U.S. citizens right here on American soil!

Obama is now just about to gleefully sign off his 0rwellian police state bill..."allowing the United States to detain an individual, some of whom may be innocent, without charge or trial" indefinitely...

And just keep in mind who all our NW0bama police state now considers "terrorists"

This could be YOU!

Edited December 19, 2011 by vortex

[Birch]

Is this covered by some kind of international war treaty? In other words, could a person who considers themselves wrongly arrested/accused take the US to some kind of international war crime court? They also do not have boundaries, apparently.

 

Yeah, I'm not sure how this one got passed, is there constitutional recourse?

[taooneusa]

text on screen in middle video above says "troop levels and pay"

All the troops are coming home. Promotions to higher rank are only

necessary when lower ranks are going to increase in numbers. right?

 

With a merger of local police and military the subordinates will be

local police, hence and increase in lower ranks.

 

The most common estimate on line of the total number of local police is

800,000 a huge military.

 

" As of 31 December 2009, a total of 1137568 personnel were on active duty within the United States and its territories"

 

this is the current number with reserve:

 

Active personnel 1,477,896 Reserve personnel 1,458,500

 

not including TSA, DEA and DHS and other acronym that's almost a 4,000,000 man army

 

Yikes

 

 

Less Than Leathal? Weapons..

Weapons used over seas are coming home to the u.s. and made available for

use by local police

 

Check the Label on shirt of the guy above

 

A scaled down version of the above weapon intended specifically for 'crowd control'

 

After being stationed by the driver, the square satellite dish mounted on top of the Army Humvee is aimed at the target by use of a video monitor and joystick. After the operator switches the unit on an invisible stream of millimeter waves (at 95 GHz) is directed at the target, exciting the water molecules on the body and rapidly causing the sensation that their skin feels as if it’s on fire. The end result is that the person standing where the ADS is aimed at wants to get out of the way pronto. When the person is examined afterward there are no marks on the body

 

"exciting the water molecules on the body and rapidly causing the sensation that their skin feels as if it’s on fire."

 

this is an open air microwave.

Edited December 19, 2011 by taooneusa

[zerostao]

i dont think that these armies on american soil will work in unison with each other. i do not think the US army will let the police use these types of weapons against american citizens. soon there will be no place here for the faint of heart.

how many veterans will stand by and watch the deterioration? they have the same training as current troops.

and how have they been betrayed ?

is the true purpose of the police to protect and serve the citizens or to maintain the current status quo?

chaos is a real possibility.

common sense.

[Informer]

How is this not a violation of my freedom of speech?

 

Who determines if the argument for one being a terrorist is even valid? Without someone deciding the authenticity of an accusation, that is all it is. Murphy's law says that in this case things will go wrong.

 

This law creates a stalemate in regards to due process, therefore is invalidated by the preceding laws, imo. It's not LEGAL.

 

Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all of the legal rights that are owed to a person. Due process balances the power of law of the land and protects individual persons from it. When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law, this constitutes a due-process violation, which offends against the rule of law.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process

[taooneusa]

[Informer]

I think he might mean that many would defect before taking up arms against those they were sworn to protect.

Edited December 19, 2011 by Informer

[ralis]

How is this not a violation of my freedom of speech?

 

Who determines if the argument for one being a terrorist is even valid? Without someone deciding the authenticity of an accusation, that is all it is. Murphy's law says that in this case things will go wrong.

 

This law creates a stalemate in regards to due process, therefore is invalidated by the preceding laws, imo. It's not LEGAL.

 

Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all of the legal rights that are owed to a person. Due process balances the power of law of the land and protects individual persons from it. When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law, this constitutes a due-process violation, which offends against the rule of law.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process

 

The PATRIOTIC Act became the new law in that the so called "war on terror" (a battlefield with no defined boundaries) takes precedent over due process, habeas corpus and the possible elimination of posse comitatus. Part of the basis for this is the "Theory of The Unitary Executive". This was the longed for wet dream of right wing extremists.

 

There are some here that exclusively blame Obama for the new provisions in the NDAA, however, these new provisions were largely instituted by the Bush administration and Obama is continuing with his predecessors policies. The next president will do the same and more.

 

Dr. Leo Strauss is the political philosopher whose writings influenced the NeoCon movement with the likes of Wolfowitz, Pearl, John Yoo et al.

 

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20060109_bergen.html?iframe=true&width=100%&height=100%

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory

 

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Unitary_Executive_Theory

 

Edwin Meese AG who served under Reagan is an important figure to read in regards to unchecked executive power.

 

One must be vigilant in paying attention to propaganda and the U.S. is not different than this scene from the Nuremberg rally in 1934. "Deutschland" was mentioned for the first time by Rudolph Hess. "Homeland" was introduced by the Bush administration as a way to create patriotism and a disregard for others rights.

 

Internal security is always the cry of the oppressor!!!

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMqdUFfxhNI

Edited December 19, 2011 by ralis

[taooneusa]

I think he might mean that many would defect before taking up arms against those they were sworn to protect.

Please consider a supposedly depressed economy and Millions of military personnel returning home the past three years.

 

"defection" by any active or reserve military with the NDAA action would meaning immediate imprisonment (for indefinite period of time)

 

Who with family or none would trade this for state side employment in privatized security/policing at higher level and pay?

 

They're offering very quick upward advancement with the requirment of relocation that prevents attachment to local

 

surroundings -act with impunity..

[zerostao]

i am confident many(most) would refuse to attack US citizens. there are also many rivalries amongst top brass.

there is more to consider than having a better paying job.

"daddy, what did you do at work today?"

" i brutally squashed an uprising downtown, your best friend's dad was dancing in a no dance zone."

 

i do appreciate your "supposedly depressed economy" . after all how many dollars were printed up to float the economy? the cash/underground economy is booming. resourceful folks just need to think outside the box.

money is everywhere.

[Desert Eagle]

i am confident many(most) would refuse to attack US citizens.

 

[taooneusa]

I agree many will change sides, but it's good to be aware the entire events.

 

Personally I believe the extreme shows of force against protesters around the world is costing the power elite backed countries

a lot of money they would have needed to carry out their plans. Shutting down of sea ports is adding to that stress.

Feeding and mobilizing 4,000,000 comes out of the pockets of all the protesters.

I went to star bucks yesterday and paid 3 dollars for an item that aught to cost 50 cents, so in a away I do support the nwo.

 

The Rothchilds are supposedly worth 500 trillion dollars

how extreme will their actions become if we successfully shut down their sea ports?

[Informer]

Ron Paul is going for the win!

He has balls of steel to stand up against a machine that destroys life daily. He even knows he risks being assassinated, yet his heart proves to be stronger than any fear. Edited December 21, 2011 by Informer

[zerostao]

i reckon things are worse than i had realized. thanks taooneusa for sounding the alarm.

http://news.yahoo.com/cops-ready-war-094500010.html

yes, it has gone too far.

[joeblast]

i reckon things are worse than i had realized. thanks taooneusa for sounding the alarm.

http://news.yahoo.com/cops-ready-war-094500010.html

yes, it has gone too far.

lots of stuff goes wrong when the government simply thinks it can spend any amount of money on whatever it wishes...it needs to take that money from people in order to buy these things...