Nicole Daedone: Female Orgasm and Shantam Nityama - Tantric Mongoose

[voidisyinyang]

[JohnC]

Here is a former tb discussion about "cupid" which is interesting so for anyone interested to know more:

 

Cupid

 

 

It is easy to get polarised about matters and attached to ones beliefs and experiences, but as always, issues are complex and individual, exactly as you say.

 

(I wonder, by the way, if you believe that an 'amazing clit orgasm' is located in the clitoris.)

 

 

Hmm yea, could be.

 

I'd have to talk with my girlfriend more about this, as I can only speak to the male side.

 

For me though, quick orgasms are draining, but one where I take my time, very connected with myself and feeling, are very enlivening.

 

And I regularly hear that it is more about how much body armor you have, and moving towards full body orgasms. That there is no loss.

 

But I agree with your statement that it seems to be a campaign against orgasm.

 

John

Edited January 11, 2012 by JohnC

[voidisyinyang]

Yes, the blokes all standing there inches away also adds to the prurient vibe: prurient and voyeuristic rather than educational.

 

Thanks for explaining that in detail Drew. Particularly makes sense that it is a right brain trance experience, so that once peak is reached the left brain claims dominance again and it seems probably like it may never quite have happened, like a dream. Reading Anthony Peake on "The Daemon" - the awareness level of the right brain, which is stifled by the ready facility of the left. His thesis is that the right brain knows everything that has ever happened or could happen to us, and the left brain is living it as if 'in the moment' because it operates at such a slowed down freguency. So what we perceive as precognition is actually the right brain just managing to communicate, which is why it happens in dreams so often, or in a dream like way. And those who have more right brain access, like , he postulates, Joan of Arc, and Socrates, get 'wisdom' spoken straight into the left brain. There were experiments where the left side brain was anaesthetised and the right brain got the chance to be communicative and gave more enthusiastic and articulate responses to questions than the left side.

 

Anyway, yeh, agree with you abut the chimps.

 

Interesting how the energy 'shoots' out, isnt it. Thanks for sharing that.

 

I 've seen Nicole before too. I hope women get something out of it, I think there is a whole other website/organisation/training about that form of clitoral orgasm, but I forget the name of it. She is so careerist about it, and it is so partial in it's focus of female sexuality, I'm not keen.

 

What you are talking about with the bonobo's and you and the woman at work, is more like Karezza. And reading the book published "cupid's poisoned arrow' was very informative about the addcitive hormonal cycle of the clitoral orgasm and it's ultimately detrimental effect on harmonious brain chemistry and the love energy build up.

 

Yeah the key difference is that I'm talking about the cervix vagus nerve climax. I first discovered this because my neck kept pulsating and I was wondering what it was and I realized that it was the vagus nerve. haha. Then I saw a female's neck pulsating the same way when she was pumping her legs masturbating. haha.

 

So I think analyzing male-female sex relations is different because it's still based on the external ejaculation which -- if you read the quote from Stanford physiology professor Robert Sapolsky in my OP -- the external ejaculation triggers the stress sympathetic nervous system.

 

So my argument is that the male external ejaculation completely limits the female-male sex relation. It's actually the electromagnetic chi energy that causes the female vagus nerve climax. The male stays in the parasympathetic relaxation nervous system right until the trigger of external ejaculation which switches his system to the stress sympathetic nervous system. So that's why the male has to sleep afterwards and external ejaculation is also now proven to cause hair loss. haha.

 

So then the male needs another hit because his external ejaculation caused a low -- and the next hit causes a worse low -- and then it just gets worse and worse and next thing you know the male is used up and the relationship is over, etc.

 

So that kind of sex cycle is the real problem imo. Whereas the mutual internal climaxes build up to increase the electromagnetic chi energy -- the article by Bodri on tantra is definitely worth reading if people haven't seen it.

 

http://www.meditationexpert.com/meditation-techniques/m_sexual_tantra.html

 

So I still have internal orgasms from sitting in full lotus -- it kicks in at 1 1/2 hour of meditation. I no longer "flex my pineal gland" so that the chi energy does not transmit so easily into females but still the chi energy gets dissipated, etc. I also still take in jing energy and this also can cause internal climaxes while in full lotus. It's not the same as "O at a Ds" -- it's just less intense and less direct.

[JohnC]

Yeah the key difference is that I'm talking about the cervix vagus nerve climax. I first discovered this because my neck kept pulsating and I was wondering what it was and I realized that it was the vagus nerve. haha. Then I saw a female's neck pulsating the same way when she was pumping her legs masturbating. haha.

 

Really... when did you see her pumping her legs in masturbation? Where you with her?

 

Or where you watching porn and looking for evidence for why what you think is true?

 

 

So my argument is that the male external ejaculation completely limits the female-male sex relation. It's actually the electromagnetic chi energy that causes the female vagus nerve climax. The male stays in the parasympathetic relaxation nervous system right until the trigger of external ejaculation which switches his system to the stress sympathetic nervous system. So that's why the male has to sleep afterwards and external ejaculation is also now proven to cause hair loss. haha.

 

So then the male needs another hit because his external ejaculation caused a low -- and the next hit causes a worse low -- and then it just gets worse and worse and next thing you know the male is used up and the relationship is over, etc.

 

 

I disagree that external ejaculation limits female/male sex relation. No you don't need another hit afterwords, and no it doesn't cause a downward spiral.

 

What I want to know is how much have you actually experienced this, or are you just armchair speculating?

 

If anything dude, I'll give my woman a great orgasm, and it will feed us both. Like she generates tremendous amounts of energy that if feel and relax into, has me pop and tight areas open up... which is part of the OM practice, and tantra.

 

That it's sharing, both masculine and feminine.

 

It seems to me that she as the feminine generates energy and me as the masculine directs it. Still learning and playing with this.

And it is a tremendous gift.

 

I don't have to sleep after good sex, and I ejaculate regularly. And ejaculation causing hair loss? I'd like to see the references on that.

 

If you don't have the genes for hair loss it won't happen. And the fact of the matter is hair loss is caused by DHT, which is converted from testosterone. Not ejaculating will give you more dht than ejaculating.

 

John

[JohnC]

One of the big points I want to make in this, is that shame, body armor, and psychology influence the hell out of peoples opinions and biases around this stuff, which has them think something that is amazing and beautiful is bad and terrible.

 

Then they create conclusions and the like based on the evidence they have which is skewed in the first place.

 

When it could be completely different than what they think.

 

John

[voidisyinyang]

Really... when did you see her pumping her legs in masturbation? Where you with her?

 

Or where you watching porn and looking for evidence for why what you think is true?

 

 

 

I disagree that external ejaculation limits female/male sex relation. No you don't need another hit afterwords, and no it doesn't cause a downward spiral.

 

What I want to know is how much have you actually experienced this, or are you just armchair speculating?

 

If anything dude, I'll give my woman a great orgasm, and it will feed us both. Like she generates tremendous amounts of energy that if feel and relax into, has me pop and tight areas open up... which is part of the OM practice, and tantra.

 

That it's sharing, both masculine and feminine.

 

It seems to me that she as the feminine generates energy and me as the masculine directs it. Still learning and playing with this.

And it is a tremendous gift.

 

I don't have to sleep after good sex, and I ejaculate regularly. And ejaculation causing hair loss? I'd like to see the references on that.

 

If you don't have the genes for hair loss it won't happen. And the fact of the matter is hair loss is caused by DHT, which is converted from testosterone. Not ejaculating will give you more dht than ejaculating.

 

John

 

Well you can always google if you want to find something out. haha. Hilarious.

 

O.K.

 

Over-masturbation or over-ejaculation converts too much testosterone into dihydrotestosterone(DHT). High levels of DHT overload the body causing baldness and possible prostate enlargement if blood circulation is poor in the prostate area. Reducing the frequency of masturbation or ejaculation will help maintain low levels of DHT and avoid hair loss.

 

http://www.herballove.com/article.asp?art=62

 

Which says the study is correlative and not necessarily causative... so it's your call! haha. Don't know many celibate scientists myself though or male scientists who have internal climaxes. haha.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldness

 

While there has been proven to be a direct correlation between increased frequency of ejaculation and increased levels of DHT, as shown in a recent study by Harvard Medical School,[46] the study suggests that ejaculation frequency is a sign, rather than a cause, of higher DHT levels. Moreover, MBP is genetically determined and theoretically occurs even with low levels of DHT. While reducing or even abstaining from sexual activity may not completely prevent hair loss in men who are genetically prone to it, it may slow down the process of balding due to the resulting lower levels of DHT, which causes male pattern baldness.[47]

 

The other factor though is the stress sympathetic nervous system trigger from the external ejaculation -- http://www.herballove.com/article.asp?art=614 So this creates cortisol and then it depends on your age, diet, other stress levels, etc. or else there is adrenal fatigue and lower levels of zinc and magnesium, etc. causing hair loss.

 

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t5240-ejaculation-and-cortisol

Edited January 11, 2012 by fulllotus

[voidisyinyang]

More on bonobos being peaceful - it's proven in the genes! http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-inner-bonobo/201105/sperm-competition-could-be-the-key-the-peaceful-bonobo-0

 

But because this group of genes is involved in sperm competition, it could say something about the different strategies of chimps and bonobos.When a chimpanzee male reaches adolescence, he systematically starts beating up all the females in the group until each one submits (she shows submission by kissing his testicles). During her fertile period, a female chimp is particularly vulnerable as many males can try and coerce her into having sex with them (the skulls of females occasionally have teeth marks in them). So because many males try to mate with a fertile female, it's important that their sperm is healthy and highly competitive.

 

In bonobos, on the other hand, aggression doesn't pay. Bonobos are female dominated and females work together to suppress male aggression. A fertile bonobo female chooses who she wants to mate with, so there's no real benefit for the males to have competitive sperm (ie. she'll have sex with you when and where she wants to, not because you and a bunch of guys are beating her up till she gives in)

 

These results are super exciting, because it might show a connection between genes and behavior. It's also a snub for those who (still!) ignore the differences between chimps and bonobos.

[Birch]

I remember back in the days when the trimondi had a disclaimer that they didn't vouch for the veracity of what they were saying, they didn't guarantee the truth of their own material and claims. The very small amount of confidence I had in them went to negative at that very moment.

 

 

Mandrake

 

Interesting! Thanks for the info. Libel could be an issue. Still, I'm interested enough in the stuff. Would be good to get feedback from actual practitioners. When it comes to religion and consciousness, 'truth' is IMO much of a muchness:-)

[Seth Ananda]

MY QUESTIONS FOR DREW

 

First off I am glad drew is back here even though I find him [or his writing style] very annoying at times. I appreciate that he loves the full lotus position so much that he actually changed his name to it. It really is an awesome position!

 

But I believe he has come across his theory's, and to try and make them true, he has drawn the needed back ups from multiple traditions rather than just one tradition.

 

When someone ask's him a single simple question, he will bombard them with 'evidence' from Bonobo society, Gurdjiefs enneagram, Kalahari Bushman, Music and number theory, personality types, Chunyi lin, Taoist yoga, conspiracy theory, and god knows what else...

 

Now several of his theory's which he backs up with multiple traditions, are simply not found in any single tradition!

I believe this is why he desperately reaches for so many confirmations from such divergent sources.

 

One example is his Perv theory.

I might be wrong but nowhere in any tradition has a teacher been paranoid about Pervs stealing his energy, and said I need to sit in lotus all day to protect myself from pervs, or to counteract their energy draining tendencies...

 

Drew would have us believe via multiple cut and pasted 'evidence', from various sources that Pervs and protection from, is a really Important part of any cultivators life.

 

 

So my first questions to Drew are:

1) Where is a 'single' teacher, who also teaches this?

 

2) And If it was so Important, why isn't there multiple traditions with whole teachings on this?

 

3) Why doesn't Chunli Lin or any chigong master anywhere Talk about this?

 

4) Why don't we find talk of this In any 'single' text, or more Importantly in most of the main Important texts, from Taoism, Tantra, or Gurdjief?

 

5) Show me something in any single Important text anywhere, that says any of the following statements:

-Full lotus protects you from pervs!

-The signs of accomplishments are giving a woman an orgasm at a distance!

-Pervs make your energy drop into the lower centers.

 

 

Now Drew would also have us believe that any 'real' teacher could also give O@AD, to any women. For instance, He claims Crowely was not a master because he did not learn to do this.

 

By this logic Drew is actually telling us that he is way beyond most teachers out there, as very few if any give random female strangers O@aD.

 

If many teachers did this, It would be regularly talked about, and the term O@aD wouldn't have been coined by Drew {or by someone who knows him here}. Now mutual energetic climaxes are fairly common in certain circles, and I have them at times as well, but a key difference is that the woman is Interacting consciously with me, which I believe is a very Important aspect to mutual energetic climax...

 

 

On the Perv subject, Drew claims to be able to read peoples energy on line, and says that very few people can do this - But of course he is one of them, and he makes pronouncements against fellow bums based on his 'rare' insight. Again it is totally un defendable for the accused, and is totally safe for drew. In his mind he won't have the chance of being wrong?

 

Then you get him talking about giving babies climax, and see his interpretation of the baby holding its finger up, meaning something to do with erections? And then from that he comes to some conclusions about the kids father.

 

For someone who writes so much and claims so much, you offer so little...

So for my last question:

6) Please for the record, show us yourself in action. Set up a camera, sit in lotus in a park next to a foot path, or where ever, where female strangers are walking past, and use your pineal gland to 'make' them climax.

 

Till you show some kind of evidence to us, everything you say is just hearsay and potentially just the nonsense of an intelligent and unbalanced individual.

 

Or better yet, Would a female Bum other than Witch {who would probably orgasm just at the thought of having an orgasm} Volunteer to visit Drew for a free hands off energetic Orgasm?

 

I really wan't to put this to rest, one way or another. Real of Fake?

[voidisyinyang]

MY QUESTIONS FOR DREW

 

First off I am glad drew is back here even though I find him [or his writing style] very annoying at times. I appreciate that he loves the full lotus position so much that he actually changed his name to it. It really is an awesome position!

 

But I believe he has come across his theory's, and to try and make them true, he has drawn the needed back ups from multiple traditions rather than just one tradition.

 

When someone ask's him a single simple question, he will bombard them with 'evidence' from Bonobo society, Gurdjiefs enneagram, Kalahari Bushman, Music and number theory, personality types, Chunyi lin, Taoist yoga, conspiracy theory, and god knows what else...

 

Now several of his theory's which he backs up with multiple traditions, are simply not found in any single tradition!

I believe this is why he desperately reaches for so many confirmations from such divergent sources.

 

One example is his Perv theory.

I might be wrong but nowhere in any tradition has a teacher been paranoid about Pervs stealing his energy, and said I need to sit in lotus all day to protect myself from pervs, or to counteract their energy draining tendencies...

 

Drew would have us believe via multiple cut and pasted 'evidence', from various sources that Pervs and protection from, is a really Important part of any cultivators life.

 

 

So my first questions to Drew are:

1) Where is a 'single' teacher, who also teaches this?

 

2) And If it was so Important, why isn't there multiple traditions with whole teachings on this?

 

3) Why doesn't Chunli Lin or any chigong master anywhere Talk about this?

 

4) Why don't we find talk of this In any 'single' text, or more Importantly in most of the main Important texts, from Taoism, Tantra, or Gurdjief?

 

5) Show me something in any single Important text anywhere, that says any of the following statements:

-Full lotus protects you from pervs!

-The signs of accomplishments are giving a woman an orgasm at a distance!

-Pervs make your energy drop into the lower centers.

 

 

Now Drew would also have us believe that any 'real' teacher could also give O@AD, to any women. For instance, He claims Crowely was not a master because he did not learn to do this.

 

By this logic Drew is actually telling us that he is way beyond most teachers out there, as very few if any give random female strangers O@aD.

 

If many teachers did this, It would be regularly talked about, and the term O@aD wouldn't have been coined by Drew {or by someone who knows him here}. Now mutual energetic climaxes are fairly common in certain circles, and I have them at times as well, but a key difference is that the woman is Interacting consciously with me, which I believe is a very Important aspect to mutual energetic climax...

 

 

On the Perv subject, Drew claims to be able to read peoples energy on line, and says that very few people can do this - But of course he is one of them, and he makes pronouncements against fellow bums based on his 'rare' insight. Again it is totally un defendable for the accused, and is totally safe for drew. In his mind he won't have the chance of being wrong?

 

Then you get him talking about giving babies climax, and see his interpretation of the baby holding its finger up, meaning something to do with erections? And then from that he comes to some conclusions about the kids father.

 

For someone who writes so much and claims so much, you offer so little...

So for my last question:

6) Please for the record, show us yourself in action. Set up a camera, sit in lotus in a park next to a foot path, or where ever, where female strangers are walking past, and use your pineal gland to 'make' them climax.

 

Till you show some kind of evidence to us, everything you say is just hearsay and potentially just the nonsense of an intelligent and unbalanced individual.

 

Or better yet, Would a female Bum other than Witch {who would probably orgasm just at the thought of having an orgasm} Volunteer to visit Drew for a free hands off energetic Orgasm?

 

I really wan't to put this to rest, one way or another. Real of Fake?

 

Wow Seth -- glad you are chiming in again -- actually I haven't talk about Gurdjieff's enneagram -- I might have mentioned it in passing -- but not that I recall. Since you have brought it up then let's talk about it! haha. Gurdjieff's enneagram is actually derived from a repeating decimal division that is given at the very end of the book "In Search of the Miraculous." Now my big point about Gurdjieff is that Westerners have not figured out he was actually teaching the secret of complementary opposites -- yin and yang resonance. The enneagram is derived from "divide and average" mathematics, not complementary opposite mathematics -- so the use of the enneagram is largely a misnomer to me. It has been misunderstood -- whereas the real importance of the number nine (of the nine points of the enneagram) is from the Law of Three as complementary opposites. So as I mentioned Gurdjieff's alchemy of harmonics is based on the ratio 2:3 which is also yang in Taoism and this is from the Pythagorean Tetrad of 1:2:3:4 -- but the crucial point of Pythagoras is that "One" is not a number.

 

No ONE hears the sound. haha. The source of the I-thought in Self-Remembering is impersonal. If we can self-remember then we are resonating with the female formless awareness.

 

So this is the case with the "O at a D" as well -- the energy is from the impersonal formless awareness. I just sit in full lotus and the energy flows on its own. I did the "O at a D" by "flexing the pineal gland" but Gurdjieff did the "O at a D" also -- as I mentioned -- it is the first time I finally encountered a teacher describing this phenomenon. Actually it is Colin Wilson in the Occult who says that Aleister Crowley could not do this and that Gurdjieff considered Crowley a big fake. So yeah it is unfortunate that the Western modern spiritual scene is so shall we say -- under-represented -- in terms of spiritual energy. haha.

 

Yeah it's page 524 of the Occult -- you can search it on Amazon.com --

 

"Gurdjieff suddenly began to inhale and exhale in a peculiar way, and the woman went pale. She said she had caught Gurdjieff's eye -- 'I suddenly felt as if I had been struck right through my sexual center -- it was beastly!' Even Crowley did not possess the capacity to cause instantaneous orgasms in strange women."

 

O.K. so that was an American woman novelist who sat next to Gurdjieff in a restaurant.

 

Of course the book God is My Adventure gives the original description at length -- so I found Rom Landau's book and I read that description as well. Maybe it's online somewhere for further clarification.

 

But actually I just sit in full lotus and I read -- read one scholarly book a day -- and then the O at a D thing was a right-brain thing. It was actually a pineal gland thing but through the right brain energy. The right side of my neck pulsates -- at first - then it transfers to the left side and then more in the central channel as the jing energy is converted more to chi energy through more and more mutual orgasms at a distance. So to give you an example like I said I was sitting in full lotus at work and everywhere else as preemptive defense because I kept getting hit on so badly which was too bizarre to me. So I wanted to make sure I was sublimating my sex energy. Anyway after awhile at work a few of the co-workers then consciously relied on me "flexing my pineal gland" at them. I mean they were literally say they needed a "hit of energy" to boost them up since they were too stressed out or burned out from work. I worked in full lotus and I had a different job than them.

 

So yeah I did have conscious energy transmissions -- but those were with males. Because obviously having an orgasm in public from another female -- as I said -- it is a dynamic of body language with visual display behavior. At first I was surprised at the level of visual display behavior as I had never seen this before. The most blatant would have been when a female started giving me lap dances when I was sitting in full lotus on a chair on the sidewalk -- in front of a coffeehouse. So she was homeless - Native American -- anyway I figured -- hey if she wants to give me lap dances then I am all for females being liberated. haha. Then she said to me over and over "do you know what you're doing to me?" I just smiled back at her. So also when I did have conscious transmissions with my male coworkers -- they would even ask me for a charge up -- but the deal is they understood that I can not talk when I am transmitting the energy! haha. It is right-brain dominant during the transmission via the pineal gland.

 

So I had one -- actually a couple coworkers -- who were close friends and they always had to relearn this secret of silent transmission. It is like the modern mind is brainwashed due to left brain dominance and what Gurdjieff calls the Kundabuffer -- the knot in the lower small of the back. So the full lotus opens up that knot so the energy can open up the pineal gland to make the chi energy. O.K. so my coworkers knew I could transmit energy into them because they remembered it and they would ask me for another transmission -- but at first they wanted to "talk" about energy. haha. So at first I would oblige them but then I would have to pause while I was talking so I could then "flex" my pineal gland. When I "flex" my pineal gland then immediately my neck starts pulsating as it pulls up the lower body energy that is then transduced by the pineal gland into chi energy. Also I could show people this -- I would "flex" my pineal gland and my neck starts pulsating and people go -- weird. How do you do that? But not really understanding what is going on. haha.

 

O.K. so it is a trance transmission in silence -- the energy will also flow on its own. So the chi energy will build up in the brain but then it can be "sucked up" by those who need it around me. At that point my neck would start pulsating on its own and the energy would be transmitted to an unknown source! Maybe a female sitting behind me, etc. The pineal gland can read -- transduce -- the lower emotional blockages around me -- so as I've described - if the liver gets hot and tingling then someone nearby has a liver blockage -- or sadness is a lung blockage and if the sex center gets activated then it is a sex blockage -- and then to what intensity determines if they are a perv or a number 2 person who just needs to work on sublimating the sex energy more. haha.

 

Now this is low level stuff compared to the level of qi energy healing I had before when I did my intensive training. So when I got the phone healing from Chunyi Lin I then "flexed" my pineal gland on the phone with him and I told him that I sit in full lotus all the time and I said when I "flex" my pineal gland then it gives females bliss from the energy transmitted. I asked him if that was o.k. and he said that was fine but that until I started storing the energy in my lower tan tien then the transmissions would be weak. So I knew they -- the "O at a Ds" were weak - it doesn't take much chi to trigger an orgasm. haha. But the thing is that the jing energy that I was sublimating to transmit as chi -- I was not purifying the jing energy first. So when the pineal gland transduces the jing into chi the skull the leaches and off-gasses the lower body anaerobic bacteria that is transduced along with the lower body serotonin. In other words it creates a crap smell out of the skull! So then I would constantly have to take antiseptics or try to fast -- not eat food and just live off taking in the jing energy around me. So I had to quit my job because of this -- I was smelling like crap all the time, etc.

 

So the transmission works but it is a big mess - it is dirty work. haha. It can heal low emotional blockages for Number 2 people -- which is most people (again based on Gurdjieff's system which appears to be based on Mahayana eight levels of consciousness as he has 1 to 8 numbers). So then based on what Chunyi Lin told me I immediately stopped "flexing my pineal gland" and then soon after the females I was living with -- I no longer healed their morning coughs and so their morning coughs extending later into the day and they got sick and they were crabby, etc. But then instead of transmitting the energy "bottom up" as it were -- there has been more of a "top down" transmission based on sublimation of the energy -- so that after the kidney energy is sublimated then the liver energy has to be sublimated to open up the heart energy.

 

Anyway it is messy to put into words -- but essentially the energy does flow on its own. Even now if I don't "flex" my pineal gland there is still taking in of jing energy around me and this will get turned by the full lotus into chi energy -- the jing energy is taken in through the perineum. The chi energy still builds up in the pineal gland and it still dissipates. So the process is just not as direct and intense as I am no longer "flexing" the pineal gland. It was as if "flexing" was a means of relieving the chi as it built up in the pineal gland -- but I haven't done that now for a month and a half. As soon as I stopped then the pineal gland chi energy got much stronger and I also focused on storing it more in the lower tan tien -- but it still is transmitted indirectly when it's needed. haha. So there was significantly less crap smell since I was no long off-gassing the bad jing energy as it transduced into chi while being transmitted by the pineal gland.

 

The process is much more internal then external since it is low level chi energy and transforms the low emotional superficial blockages -- as was asked of me on this thread -- don't the females just have their orgasms internally without the moaning and arching of the back, etc? Yes -- most of the time that is true. After the orgasms build up though there is inevitably this release of stress expressed through the body. But if the orgasms are just internal and not shown visually by the female - the thing is that I have an internal orgasm at the same time and also I don't have to show it visually. haha. So call it telepathy if you want. Except that again there is often visual display behavior by the females as well - but it is not necessary. It is much more a feeling -- the energy can go through walls and ceilings, etc. Sometimes there is the moaning sounds -- so it varies. I should add that the female voice is the main means to transmit the female jing energy back to me -- so this is just like the Bushmen culture where the females sing all night to activate the male N/om energy -- the males state it is the females the provide the males the N/om energy. The book "Taoist Yoga" states that it is the voice that transmits the jing energy. So I listen and take in the jing energy and then transmit it back as chi energy. But the listening is more like proprioception listening through the inner ear - it is this process exactly. As I detail in my book -- the technology has been proven as an inner ear technology to "see" with 360 degrees and transmit electromagnetic energy, etc. It's call the BrainPort.

 

So this process is actually dirty and low level and the only reason I discovered it by accident is because I was sitting in full lotus in public since I kept getting hit on so badly -- because as I built up my chi energy from practice people around me were going out of control. Again I was being hit on - very dramatically. So I just started sitting in full lotus in public and then the psychic mutual climax happened. So then I tested out to confirm it really had happened. After that I just kept sitting in full lotus in public and the "O at a Ds" just kept happening. But the whole time I was reading a book -- one book a day -- and I then documented by reading online. So the "O at a Ds" worked synergistically with my left-brain - because I was having internal orgasms all day I was able to relieve all the stress of day to day survival living -- and I was living a very survival lifestyle. I was biking ten miles a day all year including the severe winters in Minnesota -- and I was dumpster diving for food, etc. haha. I could not talk to people much at all during these four years - again because the process also off-gasses all the anaerobic bacteria of the lower body. haha.

[voidisyinyang]

More of the mysteries of the female orgasm -- the first MRI of it:

 

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2011/11/18/brain-imaging-captures-female-orgasm-in-action/

 

When Wise reaches orgasm, almost every area of her brain is activated.

 

“Secondary to an epileptic seizure, there’s no bigger brain networking event,” said Wise. “It’s a fantastic opportunity to examine the connectivity of the brain.”

 

By understanding the events in the brain that lead to orgasm, Wise and Komisaruk hope to find clues about what might be going wrong in the 25 percent of women who rarely or never have one.

 

“Where does the blockage occur?” said Komisaruk. “To understand how to get around that could be tremendously useful.”

 

But Wise, who is both a scientist and a sexual woman, appreciates the intricacies of intimacy.

 

“I think the caveat is understanding that sexuality is very complex,” said Wise, describing the physical, psychological and emotional components of orgasm. “Theoretically, it’s going be helpful to know how things work. And perhaps at some point we might be able to see where something’s breaking down.”

 

Understanding orgasm could also have implications for treating pain.

 

“A lot of the same regions involved in pleasure are involved in pain, and we haven’t been able to suss out how those systems work yet,” said Wise.

 

the female orgasm is more of a trance than for males and it turns off the emotional centers

 

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=48747

 

Research Shows Women Fall into 'Trance' During Orgasm

 

 

Dutch scientists have found that, during sex, the sections of the brain that control fear, anxiety, and emotion, tend to relax and reduce in activity in females, revealing that the key to female arousal lies in relaxation and lack of anxiety.

 

At climax, the brain's emotion centers "close down", producing a trance-like state. While a scale of this closure also occurs in men, it is much less intense compared to females. Men tend to focus more on the contact between genitalia during sex.

 

The study also shows that, in cold weather, couples are more likely to reach an orgasm while wearing socks. About 80% of couples were able to reach orgasm while wearing socks, compared to 50% in bare feet.

Edited January 12, 2012 by fulllotus

[三江源]

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[Jetsun]

Using Gurdjieff to validate these ideas is a very tenuous link, in none of his teaching material does he talk about giving orgasms at a distance at all, there are dozens of books written about Gurdjieff including many written by females who worked with him for many years and none of them talk about this phenomena at all. I have read all the main books thoroughly and the first time I head of it was when Drew talked about it, most of the work around sex is to get the sex function in it's proper place because many people use the sex energy in the wrong centres of their thought and emotion. There is the idea that the sexual energy can be used to create for yourself a second body or astral body but to be using that energy instead to stimulate other people would be considered a wrong usage of that valuable energy and a leakage. Have you considered that you are too open Drew and need to plug up your holes?

 

As for the Pythagorean harmonics stuff this is something I don't know about but Gurdjieff says that kunderbuffer was the kundalini itself not what is blocking the kundalini, but whether this is meant literally I dont know, but he never said that the full lotus is a good way to remove this blockage or that sitting in full lotus for a long time is even healthy, he was infact against anyone sitting in one position or using a single technique for too long.

[voidisyinyang]

Using Gurdjieff to validate these ideas is a very tenuous link, in none of his teaching material does he talk about giving orgasms at a distance at all, there are dozens of books written about Gurdjieff including many written by females who worked with him for many years and none of them talk about this phenomena at all. I have read all the main books thoroughly and the first time I head of it was when Drew talked about it, most of the work around sex is to get the sex function in it's proper place because many people use the sex energy in the wrong centres of their thought and emotion. There is the idea that the sexual energy can be used to create for yourself a second body or astral body but to be using that energy instead to stimulate other people would be considered a wrong usage of that valuable energy and a leakage. Have you considered that you are too open Drew and need to plug up your holes?

 

As for the Pythagorean harmonics stuff this is something I don't know about but Gurdjieff says that kunderbuffer was the kundalini itself not what is blocking the kundalini, but whether this is meant literally I dont know, but he never said that the full lotus is a good way to remove this blockage or that sitting in full lotus for a long time is even healthy, he was infact against anyone sitting in one position or using a single technique for too long.

 

 

Jetsun -- did you see the quote I posted about Gurdjieff doing the "O at a D" -- it's from Rom Landau's God is My Adventure as quoted by Colin Wilson in the Occult.

 

"Gurdjieff suddenly began to inhale and exhale in a peculiar way, and the woman went pale. She said she had caught Gurdjieff's eye -- 'I suddenly felt as if I had been struck right through my sexual center -- it was beastly!' Even Crowley did not possess the capacity to cause instantaneous orgasms in strange women."

 

Do you have any quote about Gurdjieff being against sitting in one position or using a single technique for too long? haha. I mean apparently there is a disconnect here being "teaching materials" i.e. writing and actual practice. haha.

 

The followers of Gurdjieff are real big on discussing his writings, etc. but I don't remember Gurdjieff being against sitting in full lotus for a long time. Here's what Master Nan, Huai-chin says:

 

When you have genuinely entered Samadhi, the breath [electromagnetic chi] is definitely full. In a person filled with breath, no matter how old, all parts of the body are soft and supple, and the person becomes as supple as a baby… What is most important is correcting our minds. Any posture will do: when your meditation succeeds, your legs will become supple and you will naturally be able to sit cross-legged [full-lotus] steadily…. If the breath [electromagnetic chi] is not cultivated until it circulates freely, and the network of energy channels is not transformed, then you will not be able to attain Samadhi.497

 

Master Nan, Huai-chin, Working Toward Enlightenment: The cultivation of practice (Red

Wheel/Weiser, 1993), pp. 128, 175.

Edited January 12, 2012 by fulllotus

[voidisyinyang]

haha. Exasperated rational mind needs solidity, fact and evidence. I get that way too.

 

Yeah it's kind of strange that Seth didn't mention Shantam Nityama and yet he asked me if there is one teacher who teaches the "O at a D." haha.

 

So Seth did you watch the quicktime video of Shantam Nityama bringing females to orgasm at a distance? haha. I mean is that video not proof enough for you?

 

As for "teaching materials" I did mention how Bodri and Nan discuss this in detail -- saying how that it is definitely a practice to take in female jing energy and to transmit chi energy back at the females. I stated how Bodri and Nan then state this is limited to emptying out of the realm of desire and getting to the lower level of the realm of form but it doesn't get to the realm of the formless.

 

So this is discussed in the book "Measuring Meditation" -- their 900 page plus tome. Sorry that I can't quote from that for you. haha. But I do highly recommend the book.

 

Personally I am not trying to prove anything -- I am just reporting my experiences and then I am doing research and also getting critical feedback.

 

So for example when I posted about Chunyi Lin on theparacast -- the "gold standard" for paranormal research -- there was just mainly denial and anger and disbelief -- and all sorts of ad hominems. haha. I pointed out the randomized controlled research proving qi external emissions doing healing -- through the Mayo Clinic research. In fact "randomized controlled" is also called "gold standard" -- but this wasn't good enough for theparacast and the thread was shut down claiming I was "pandering."

 

Pandering! haha. If you look up pandering - kind of like harlot -- it's old meaning is to focus on people's lowest desires in order to try to sell something. It is ironic that qigong relies on celibacy by males for it to truly be powerful -- at least long periods of celibacy like three months. If you go by the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" then it requires total celibacy -- and Master Nan, Huai-chin says the same. NOt just celibacy of the body but also of the mind. haha.

 

So yeah Nan and Bodri acknowledge this phenomenon but also give its limitations -- and I truly appreciate Nan and Bodri for doing this. Chunyi Lin also acknowledged it and pointed out its limitations to me.

 

So Chunyi Lin didn't say that I was not able to do this and he should know. haha. But then because of Chunyi Lin I also do not do this anymore.

 

But the skeptics are not satisified with John Chang's video -- since it can be faked. Nityama's vid could be faked -- but I know it isn't. haha.

 

http://www.nityama.com/blog/table-sessions.html

 

There's the videos of the O at a Ds in action.

Edited January 12, 2012 by fulllotus

[voidisyinyang]

O.K. here's the full quote of the "O at a D" -- the only instance I have found of it reported in writing -- page 188, God is My Adventure by Rom Landau -- they are speaking about Gurdjieff:

 

'Have you seen him recently?'

 

'Yes, at a reception last spring. I must tell you of an interesting

incident which occurred that day. A friend of mine, who is one of our

great novelists, was sitting at my table. I pointed to a table at which

Gurdjieff was sitting, and asked her whether she knew him. "No,

who is he?" she replied, looking across. Gurdjieff caught her eye, and

we saw distinctly that he suddenly began to inhale and to exhale in a

particular way. I am too old a hand at such tricks not to have known

that Gurdjieff was employing one of the methods he must have

learned in the East. A few moments later I noticed that my friend

was turning pale; she seemed to be on the verge of fainting. And

yet she is anything but highly strung. I was very much surprised to

see her in that strange condition, but she recovered after a few mo-

ments. I asked her what the matter was. "That man is uncanny",

she whispered. "Something awful happened", she continued, but

began after a moment to laugh in her broad natural way. "I ought to

be ashamed, nevertheless I'll tell you what happened. I looked at

your 'friend' a moment ago, and he caught my eye. He looked at me

in such a peculiar way that within a second or so I suddenly felt as

though I had been struck right through my sexual centre. It was

beastly!'" My host stopped for a second, and added smilingly: 'You

had better be careful. The man you are going to see can certainly

make use of strange powers: he had not learned them in Tibet for

nothing.'

[voidisyinyang]

O.K. here is my first report of it -- or second -- online. So I recorded it as it was happening. this is from Feb. of 2008:

 

http://www.breakingopenthehead.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3782

 

Readers might remember my discovery, posted a couple weeks ago in the "science and shamanism" forum, about how females with severed spinal cords can have orgasms -- through their vagus nerve. Suddenly I connected my own vagus nerve brain bliss with "reverse breathing" in meditation (to also achieve an internal orgasm). In the past two weeks I've had "multiple mutual orgasms" with about a dozen strangers -- females -- in a variety of public locales -- libraries, bookstores, cafes, restaurants. I call this "O at a D" or orgasm at a distance.

 

I used to get annoyed by "randy" males -- you know those guys who always bounce their legs in order to discharge and pump up some sex energy. Women, of course, can have orgasmic sensations from doing this to themselves aka "priming the pump" with the legs crossed -- and even climaxes -- without fear of "losing a load." Now both of these scenarios for me is just blissful "free energy" that goes up into my brain, via the "reverse breathing" method.

 

Sitting in full-lotus is the easiest means to achieve these "O at a D" and I'm now convinced that males are not really fully human until they too learn how to have "female" orgasms -- internal climaxes with no loss of ejaculate. The male is stimulated by the female (yin-yang resonance) and the female can have multiple climaxes while for both the male and female the hormones enhance the brain energy. I've found that I can concentrate better and "last longer" for focusing my brain while having multiple mutual orgasms with total strangers.

 

The reaction to this "secret" skill I developed has been fascinating. I've been stalked and had some very bizarre, lurid displays in response to my full-lotus tantra in public. A few days ago one female in a University study area was literally using her hand to achieve that 3rd or 4th climax. She was sitting right behind me, while I was in full-lotus reading, and as my internal orgasm kicked in I happened to glance over my shoulder. Wow -- right in public! Usually I'm just sitting calmly reading yet sometimes the reaction to me is something of a shock.

 

Overall though I think the response has been ecstatic -- finally a deep sense of serenity can happen, continually, throughout the day -- without any fuss, no mess -- no need for any communication other than proximity of about 10 feet radius. There was that great group hug by some young females who felt "very comfortable" after having a long intimate conversation in an empty cafe -- except for me reading while sitting in full-lotus a couple tables away, along the same bench.

 

I have to admit though, this "O at a D" secret undermines the monogamous couple -- what I call the "consumer unit" that drives late-term capitalism.

 

A couple times I was sitting in full-lotus in a restaurant -- a booth -- while reading. A "consumer unit" comes in and the female decides to sit in the booth next to me. Right there in front of her boyfriend or husband she climaxes! After about 2 climaxes the intensity is too strong to hide and by this time her husband or boyfriend starts to suspect that there's a reason the female does not want to leave the restaurant. Then there's the bored female restaurant workers who choose to do a lot of cleaning around my booth. haha. In fact the very first "O at a D" I achieved was with a young McDonald's worker, several months ago. I wasn't in full-lotus at the time, just sitting with a friend, and her strong reaction to me, a climax, took me back a bit. Then next time I saw her she was literally out of control with giddiness.

 

My reading has actually sped up because of this "O at a D" discovery. I can sit in full-lotus longer and increase the bliss -- in public. Often the energy exchange starts off through the eyes -- which is just from people glancing at me and vice versa. It's like an electrical laser exchange. Sometimes these glances develop into a type of trance exchange but usually just a glance every few minutes is enough -- even across a crowded room! But the energy is through the eyes -- coming from the 3rd Eye -- the pineal gland. The pump for the energy is from "reverse breathing" to activate the prostrate gland. So the diaphragm is the lever and the lower belly goes in while the lungs go out. Essentially I'm breathing in the electrochemicals around me and this in turn creates a free energy cycle with the yin-yang dynamics around me. The free energy comes from the formless awareness -- the Eternal Feminine source.

 

Now when I hang out with my male friends who do not meditate, yet consider themselves "religious" intellectuals (while frantically bouncing their legs in servitude to their sexual energy) I just sit in full-lotus and breathe in the electro-chemicals that they are leaking! I've spent too much time "talking" about meditation only for people to psychologically ignore the information because of their brainwashed arrogance. Now my friends get to experience me taking in and transforming their energy! haha. And that, btw, includes my housemate, this twisted old dude, with clinical b.o., who always jerks off in the bathroom, adjacent to my room, with paper-thin walls. That used to annoy me -- now I just "reverse breathe" his electrochemical discharge into an "O at a D" thereby deepening the emptiness of the full-lotus tantra.

Edited January 12, 2012 by fulllotus

[Jetsun]

Jetsun -- did you see the quote I posted about Gurdjieff doing the "O at a D" -- it's from Rom Landau's God is My Adventure as quoted by Colin Wilson in the Occult.

 

 

 

Do you have any quote about Gurdjieff being against sitting in one position or using a single technique for too long? haha. I mean apparently there is a disconnect here being "teaching materials" i.e. writing and actual practice. haha.

 

The followers of Gurdjieff are real big on discussing his writings, etc. but I don't remember Gurdjieff being against sitting in full lotus for a long time.

 

That is the first time I have seen that story, perhaps he was horny and couldn't keep his energy in, I don't know, but I doubt it was a common occurance as nobody else has mentioned it and it is not talked about at all in any of the materials I have read, I have got three or four books written by women who worked directly with him and they don't mention it.

 

Perhaps he wouldn't be directly against someone if they wanted to sit in full-lotus all day, he said the monks/fakirs way is a valid way, but it is not the way he taught. All the stories I have heard about the way he taught was he would set a person a task to be done with conscious attention then as soon as the person mastered it he would give them a new one, so the body can never turn the task into another habit to fall asleep in, so he taught dances instead of meditation, like these:

 

 

I know someone who is quite involved in the Gurdjieff society now and there are some body type meditations they do which have been passed down through the oral lineage, but there is no mention of the full-lotus, the important thing which is stressed is to keep the legs open and without tension so the energy can pass through them without blockage.

[voidisyinyang]

More from this thread -- Nov. 2007:

 

http://www.breakingopenthehead.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5477

 

Yes this is really the heart of the matter! Yesterday I had an amazing day of healing. Now the two most poignant where amazingly with two different African-American girls, in two different parts of town. Both cases were almost identical. I'm sitting in full-lotus. The mom comes in with the girl and the mom is berating the girl and the girl is crying. They see me, the mom positions herself and the girl in line with my eyes as I look forward, which is a very particular position in a big empty store. The moms receive my healing energy but the girls are more sensitive since kids' energy channels are more open and the energy flows more freely. Both these girls were very sad and both stared deeply into my eyes. I looked away because they both were taking in the energy deeply and I wanted to make sure they were doing so voluntarily. They looked back at me on their own. One even came back to me after her mom called her away. The girl had entered the store crying and I felt her sadness transform into bliss love (in her HEART) and she left the store skipping. The other girl stared so deeply into my eyes soaking up my energy that the whole store turned their heads in amazement. She had to look up at me to do this, so everyone knew she was definitely choosing to look into my eyes. Again I soaked up her sadness, transformed it into bliss-love and felt her heart fill up with love. She breathed out a big sigh and her face was transformed from sadness with tired eyes into a big happy smile. Her mom told me, in a thankful tone, to have a good evening.

 

These were very beautiful, tender experiences such that upon reflection I teared up when thinking about them because this healing energy is natural, free yet so rarely known about in the modern world.

[Aetherous]

She had to look up at me to do this, so everyone knew she was definitely choosing to look into my eyes. Again I soaked up her sadness, transformed it into bliss-love and felt her heart fill up with love. She breathed out a big sigh and her face was transformed from sadness with tired eyes into a big happy smile. Her mom told me, in a thankful tone, to have a good evening.

 

Very nice story.

[voidisyinyang]

That is the first time I have seen that story, perhaps he was horny and couldn't keep his energy in, I don't know, but I doubt it was a common occurance as nobody else has mentioned it and it is not talked about at all in any of the materials I have read, I have got three or four books written by women who worked directly with him and they don't mention it.

 

Perhaps he wouldn't be directly against someone if they wanted to sit in full-lotus all day, he said the monks/fakirs way is a valid way, but it is not the way he taught. All the stories I have heard about the way he taught was he would set a person a task to be done with conscious attention then as soon as the person mastered it he would give them a new one, so the body can never turn the task into another habit to fall asleep in, so he taught dances instead of meditation, like these:

 

 

I know someone who is quite involved in the Gurdjieff society now and there are some body type meditations they do which have been passed down through the oral lineage, but there is no mention of the full-lotus, the important thing which is stressed is to keep the legs open and without tension so the energy can pass through them without blockage.

 

Yeah Gurdjieff did demonstrate the full lotus -- I think that's recorded in "In Search of the Miraculous" -- so he considered it a body position. haha. Mantak Chia does not even teach full lotus -- but then Sean Denty wrote here that Mantak Chia does not even see the light when he does his Dark Cave meditations. I mean seeing the light externally. I doubt Gurjdjieff was against sitting in full lotus for long periods of time as that is the standard advanced training in Tibet -- as was practiced by Milarepa. But what Gurdjieff taught Westerners was not the advanced energy transmissions.

 

Hey Jetsun do you have any other writing on Gurdjieff doing energy transmissions? I know he shot out the blue light to recharge his student -- Peter I think. I'm not sure if it was Peter who saw the blue light or someone else was in the room with Peter....

 

But that's the only other energy transmission healing that I know of about Gurdjieff. No healing stories or anything -- still amazing how much credence he is given -- but then he did write a long fictional spiritual book. haha. I mean his harmonics alchemy is directly the same as "Taoist Yoga" as my article details -- so his teaching is excellent -- and it's also the same as the Pythagorean harmonics.

[C T]

If FL was such a be-all-end-all thing, there must logically be vast numbers of enlightened beings to be found dotted all along the Ganges, so-called sadhus who pretend to be 'holy' just so they could licence themselves to smoke pot all day ( i'll do a Drew haha here! ) and waste their lives away sitting in full-lotus - just a whole culture of lost individuals who are either too lazy to work or who mistakenly think their God will whisk them into the heavens after this life just because they sit in FL day and night.

 

Perhaps the emphasis which has been somewhat lost is that one ought to train the mind to 'sit in full-lotus' as one goes about doing normal, everyday stuff, rather than becoming overly obsessed with the actual physical posture itself, which is, honestly, beyond the scope of many people, and which is, in fact, quite impractical, whereas it can be a worthwhile and achievable feat to lead the mind in Stillness while one is engaged with normal activities, and this is so much more useful. Just think how silly it is to tell someone who cannot physically adopt the FL posture that he or she cannot achieve spiritual advancement. The truth is they can, through systematic mind training, so i think most of what Drew says regarding the miraculous nature of the physical lotus posture is inaccurate, at least where spiritual cultivation is concerned. This Nityama fellow, when he is energetically pleasuring the women, does he sit in FL? I havent watched any of the vids, but am guessing he does not.

 

Out of the thousands of 'holy' folks who hang out along the Ganges, who contort their bodies and smoke pot all day, one would be hard-pressed to find even a few who are free from the prison of grasping and ignorance.

[Seth Ananda]

Yeah it's kind of strange that Seth didn't mention Shantam Nityama and yet he asked me if there is one teacher who teaches the "O at a D." haha.

 

I am very familiar with Nityama, and work very closely with a long time student of his. Based off things he has said to close students, some believe he takes energy from women, then feeds it back to other women to do the energetic orgasm thing.

 

If you had read my post properly you would have noticed me saying that I am familiar with energetic hands off orgasm. But that, as well as what Nityama is doing is different to your 'alledged' skill, as in our cases it happens between two consciously interacting people, in other words there is an energetic relationship.

 

You are describing giving them to female strangers, like the mcdonalds chick who was bent over facing away from you and presumably oblivious to your presence....

 

 

 

Personally I am not trying to prove anything -- I am just reporting my experiences and then I am doing research and also getting critical feedback.

 

You can not get critical feedback off a report that could have no factual Information in it.

You tube it and you will get real feed back...

 

 

I sound cynical, because you speak so much and offer nothing, but I would be pleased if you can actually do this...

 

Show us the goods!

[voidisyinyang]

[voidisyinyang]

I am very familiar with Nityama, and work very closely with a long time student of his. Based off things he has said to close students, some believe he takes energy from women, then feeds it back to other women to do the energetic orgasm thing.

 

If you had read my post properly you would have noticed me saying that I am familiar with energetic hands off orgasm. But that, as well as what Nityama is doing is different to your 'alledged' skill, as in our cases it happens between two consciously interacting people, in other words there is an energetic relationship.

 

You are describing giving them to female strangers, like the mcdonalds chick who was bent over facing away from you and presumably oblivious to your presence....

 

 

 

 

 

You can not get critical feedback off a report that could have no factual Information in it.

You tube it and you will get real feed back...

 

 

I sound cynical, because you speak so much and offer nothing, but I would be pleased if you can actually do this...

 

Show us the goods!

 

Seth -- the "O at a D" is not dependent on visual information as it is through the pineal gland energy but you want "visual" proof. haha. I find that very hilarious because the energy comes from the consciousness that is formless -- the consciousness that creates light. It's not left-brain consciousness based on words.

 

So it's like the left-brain will make up lies about reality -- this has been proven with split brain patients. The left brain reads words so if shown an image and it can not put it into words the left brain will lie. But the right brain can not use words. So the right brain remains silent and listens but then can create and get the meaning of images.

 

But the pineal gland is the source for the right and left brain and yet the consciousness that the pineal gland connects with is formless - it can only be logically inferred.

 

Logically we can infer consciousness and from consciousness arises this energy that is constantly transforming. So logically consciousness is not based on proof - it is based on logical inference. It is the source of the I-thought and there is no object nor subject that the I-thought refers to. Dan Zahavi's work focuses on this in phemonological philosophy but, of course, it is also the focus of nondual philosophy, etc.

 

So you say that "presumably" some female did not see me but this energy is experienced through proprioception -- it is called the "sixth sense" through the inner ear connection to the pineal gland. So it's based on feeling first that is translated into vision. Sometimes females see me or they don't. Sometimes I don't see them. The energy flows on its own though. haha. The same applies with males and animals and plants and even rocks and spirits. The same also applies with the future and past and space as well. It is holographic -- interwoven and holistic and impersonal.

 

So the pineal gland transduces signals whether my left brain wants it to or not -- there is no turning back. haha. Yeah sitting in full lotus in public is wild -- and it was a fascinating experiment for four years.

 

Proof is the realm of science which is based on the assumption that infinity can be contained using geometry -- the "power axiom set" is the first proof using "proof by contradiction" but it is incorrect logic about infinity!

 

My book goes into this in great detail -- for example the philosophy paper by Professors Hugly and Sayward -- "Did the Greeks Discover the Irrational?" 1999 Spring journal of philosophy. Their answer: NO. haha. By irrational they mean the square root of two -- the most commonly accepted proof!! But NO they say! Why - because geometric length is not arithmetic distance. I knew this when I took my "enriched geometry" course in high school so I only got a C. haha. I was secretly against the Pythagorean Theorem -- why? because of my music training I knew that Pythagorean nonwestern harmonics had the correct logic. haha.

 

O.K. so the foundation of science is not a proof -- it is illogical. The mathematicians really know this. http://naturalresonancerevolution.blogspot.com to download my book for free details. haha.

 

Of course this distinction in India between shakti and siddhi is a big deal -- if it is shakti then there is no individual ego awareness of the miraculous paranormal spiritual powers that manifest. the powers come from the consciousness itself that is impersonal. If it is siddhi then it is considered ego based and wrong to practice it. On the other hand in Mahayana Buddhism Master Nan, Huai-chin states that unless there is individual awareness of the powers then it is not supreme complete enlightenment -- so therefore Ramana Maharshi was not truly enlightened, etc. Then Aurobindo wrote of this paradox between the personal awareness and consciousness and the powers that arise very interestingly. He stated it is just like quantum physics - where it is only known after the fact and so there is always this dynamic of energy going on between individual awareness, the energy manifestation and then the impersonal consciousness that created the energy manifestation -- and this dynamic is based on complementary opposites - or what Gurjdieff called the Law of Three.

 

Gurdjieff said that to truly understand the Law of Three is the real secret to philosophy -- yet the West is stuck in dualistic thinking. haha.

 

True/false

 

Proof/Fake.

 

Have fun with the energy that transcends this dualism!

“’Before examining these influences,’ began G., ‘and the laws of transformation of Unity in

Plurality, we must examine the fundamental law that creates all phenomena in all the diversity or

unity of all universes.’” -- In Search of the Miraculous (p. 78, source for below Gurdjieff quotes).

 

So that's Gurdjieff on the Law of Three.

 

Like I said -- when I did my intensive training my chi energy was much stronger -- for example I pulled someone's spirit right out of the top of their head -- by accident! This was without touching them! The person bawled immediately nonstop. This was at the spring forest qigong guild meeting healing practice session -- lots of people were there. haha.

 

So as Chunyi Lin told me when I flex my pineal gland without storing the chi energy then the transmissions are weak -- yes they are! So he told me to store up my chi energy instead. But the above happened -- pulling someone's spirit right out of the top of their skull.

 

Now I suppose Seth you can ask me to prove this happened! haha. Well we could just call the SFQ center to talk to Jim Nance who was at that guild meeting and he introduced me to everyone, explaining my qi energy and that I had just finished a week long qi energy fast, etc. haha. He was there and others were comforting the old lady after I pulled her spirit out of her body. So I'm sure someone else knows about it. Even my college friend was there and he saw the lady being comforted by another person as she was still bawling -- about 10 minutes after it happened.

 

Yeah so it's like medical reports -- the claims of Chunyi Lin's long distance qi transmission healing - the skeptics have dismissed the "gold standard" research because it's based on the testimonies of those healed of chronic pain!

 

So the Mayo clinic medical doctor is quoted saying this is amazing since they had chronic pain for over 5 years untreatable by Western science. Yet the skeptics refuse this because they don't consider it real proof. haha.

 

http://anamericanatheist.org/2011/10/29/investigating-woo-spring-forest-qigong-research/

Edited January 13, 2012 by fulllotus