Kids Practice Thread

[Yoda]

So Keith kicked it off with a suggestion that kids who practice before puberty can really integrate some practices more easily. Maybe it's sort of like learning multiple languages... good to do it young.

 

I then said that I have a pal who taught himself non-ejaculative masturbation which conferred upon him many superpowers as well as some emotional entanglements.

 

And Keith replied:

 

I didn't mention retention because it is so problematic, complicated, and can back-fire pretty badly. Very dicey.

 

I was suggesting joint rotations specifically. During puberty the bones are going through some intense development, and there's often (obviously) a lot of emotional~physical stresses that can get bound up in the fascia etc. Just adding a few simple joint rotations to the exercise repertoire that youngsters generally get can make the whole jing integration of puberty go a lot smoother, avoid stress-warps in the myofascial web that often form during that time, and produce stronger bones. Exposure to a few simple joint rotation exercises is pretty mundane, very safe, and good payoffs - especially during that time.

 

I'm not suggesting that kids be made to do some program, but if they're gonna be taught push-ups etc., they might as well learn to rotate wrists, ankles, hips, shoulders, neck. Then at least they know those, know what they feel like, and can do them if they want to. Just my 2 cents.

 

Thelerner chipped in that he massages his kids as part of their bedtime ritual, and that got the thread rolling.

 

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It sounds like massage and some intuflow/taoyin/stretching would be a good thing to learn at a young age. I'm just wondering how to make it fun and enticing. What I've done just on occasion is to do some traditional yoga asanas with my daughter and since she can do them much better than I can, she finds this entertaining.

 

Now that happens to be part of the reason I like intuflow type drills better than the asanas... I suck at yoga. But kicking Daddy's ass on the asanas is an excellent enticement. Maybe I'll do some asanas at night while we are all hanging out?

 

The massages/energy work is another good angle too. I've been doing that more often recently.

 

One thing I've been doing since reading The China Study and Healthy at 100 is to gradually switch the kids to a vegan diet, phasing out dairy, and increasing their fruit and fresh juice intake. Very gradually... nowhere near 100% off meat or dairy yet. Since recently discovering the power of a rawish vegan diet myself, I think that this is a very powerful habit that will benefit the kids a tremendous amount assuming that the transition is smooth and there's no power struggle or anything. That, in itself, will help keep their energy flows open and to avoid some of the typical shutdown that is typical as kids grow up. Of course, they'll have more energy, so the parents better the hell be chugging the carrot/celery/apple juice too!

 

So I'm thinking massage, stretching, and diet are the three best and least invasive programs to set up for kids.

 

If they are actually interested... like they want to take Karate and so forth, then I'd think that the frolics would be fun. On the rare occasions that I do the frolics with the kids around they definitely get into to them too.

 

I don't think that energy circulation exercises like mco or spinal breathing is a good idea for kids, although the Self Realization Fellowship teaches all that in their Sunday schools. Yogani has mentioned to hold off on meditation as well until 12 or so if I remember correctly. But by the time they are 12 or so, they are old enough to raid your bookshelf and figure it out on their own.

[Cameron]

I try to teach my 11 year old brother IMA. I showed him how to stand with one arm extended and do the unbendable arm. I might take Trunks advice and hook him up with rmax stuff or something.

[Lozen]

And I said I liked being spun!! WHy'd you take out the spinning part???

[三江源]

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[thelerner]

When I was taking karate back in highschool reading Funakoshi's biography 'Karate My Way' was mandatory. Its a good read. There was also a book something like 3 Masters. Biography of Funakoshi(father of modern karate) Kano? founder of judo, and Ueshiba founder of Aikido. It illustrates there dedication, skill and also there kindness. Kano was instrumental in helping Funakoshi. All 3 were good people, not just highly skilled, but very moral and not as violently macho as there modern counterparts.

 

Having kids read 'kid frinedly' biographies is a great way to have them see the bigger picture in the world and start having real heroes they can emulate.

 

I think discussions of retention make more sense at 25 or maybe 35. Not really for the teen years where biology is soo against it.

 

Michael

[freeform]

How about puting on some music and doing shaking and crazy dancing?! followed by intuflow... or the other way round... but I reccon that would be really fun - I've got a picture in my mind of little green kiddies giggling at daddy Yoda flailing about crazily.

 

re the ejaculation - I remember my older friends told me all about it when I was maybe 8 or 9... seemed kind of strange to me... I then remember as a 15 year old finding my dad's copy of Chia's healing love book - I tried the finger lock and was astonished that it worked (the main insentive was the lack of mess afterwards ) Whether that's a good thing or not, I dont know... but it did teach me ejaculation control - I decide when to spunk, rather than it 'just happening'... So although having healing love in the bookshelf might not be a good idea if you dont want your kids developing bad habits (the finger lock)... maybe there is another book or something that could be as usefull (David Deida?) I think just learning to slow down and then build up before the final climax rather just spunking as quick as possible is a most valuable lesson. Mothers should not be telling kids this!! does your son have older (male!) friends? or late-teen/20-something cousins/relatives that you could get to talk to him?

[三江源]

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[thelerner]

Hands down the best cartoon on TV for kids and adults is the Avatar. Very Taoistic, each episode has a taoist lesson on element theory. Well written, well drawn and it works on many levels. Its the cartoon form of Kung Fu of our time.

 

Michael

[Trunk]

Yoda, I have a son who is now 12. He's been doing karate since he was 7. Do you have any literature or sites I could look at with him along the lines that you've ben mentioning?

 

I've no idea at all what is the thing to do re ejaculation, for him. he isnt at that stage just yet. Is there a source of info I could be absorbing about what to best introduce boys to?

Just to say what I've said before, in any way pushing the idea of retention is very, very dicey. For some small percentage of males it'll work out really well for, for the rest it will result in trouble.

 

The better approach is to include exercises that assist jing to integrate smoothly without making it a direct sexual issue. And, definately, joint rotations is one of the best ways to do this. The common choice for joint rotations is Sonnon's Intu-flow. The J rotations keep the myofascial web supple, through to the joints (so that jing can flow into the marrow). All of that is ideal for resolving stress of growth during puberty and integrating for real deep health.

 

Additional approaches to consider are here.

 

- and here's the airplane ride thing, pulled from the other thread:

There's a woman at Tao Garden (I keep forgetting her name) who'd do a special kind of spinning of babies. Holding them by their arms, or arm & leg, and do a fancy sort of "airplane" ride (you know, where you get spun around by one arm and one leg by an adult). The women of the local village would bring their babies to her for her to spin. It was wild to watch, but the babies loved it. To connect it to principle: think of the the joings re: the connective tissue continuum. She said that her husband did it to her children until they were too heavy for him to do it any more.

[thaddeus]

For kid training, there's alot to be said to just making it fun. I think there are two main goals, having fun and overcoming fear/challenging them. For example, teaching them to roll. You could get nuts over the specifics or you could just applaud the fact they tried and sort of did it. Overcoming the fear was the most important part. I think many of us are self motivated to improve. Kids shouldn't be forced, they should be 'hooked' into it...training should happen by accident..a by product of having fun..

T

[freeform]

Kids shouldn't be forced, they should be 'hooked' into it...training should happen by accident..a by product of having fun..

T

 

so ture... I think the same goes for adults too!

[三江源]

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[hagar]

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[Yoda]

Trunk, thanks for bailing me out on the spinning thing!

 

Cat, when the time comes, I think I'll toss the Chia type books and leave the Deida on the shelf and leave it at that.

 

Hagar, cool story!

 

Is Avatar on network tv?

[thelerner]

Hey Yoda, Avatar is on cable, Nicktoons I think, season I is out on video. Its worth while enough to at least rent.

 

I expect the next generation to be more fully realized. I have one son who with no prodding is a veggie. My 6 year old who is an orange belt and quite talented in karate wants to chuck it for yoga. He can stand still and hold his leg over his head forwards and side ways.

 

hey how come the site isn't saying happy birthday michael ?

 

 

Michael 42 yo

[三江源]

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[GrandTrinity]

One healing tao instructor taught his kids inner smile, healing sounds and orbit flow. He lives in PA is named Michael Cornelious. I never got a real chance to speak to him about how this is/did work out, but I intend to talk to him soon.

 

I cannot imagine being real young and working with alchemy! Thats got to be intense? I do not see how it could be bad, unless your teacher was forcing you to seriously learn while you just wanted to play - if the teacher had some heart blockags or some crap.

 

Truly, its got to be fun to learn stuff! At any age! And it is fun! If its not fun then your not learning it.

 

If I had learned alchemy in middle school, it wold have been great!

 

I would have enjoyed my preteen and teenage years a lot more! I would have had deep insight into relationships and life in general, enabling me to live more fully.

 

As for retention, that stuff can be reeeally sticky if you do not know what your doing or havent transformed negative emotions. As a youngin, you have so much jing anyways that it's okay to bust a nut every day! Until about age 19 or so, then maybe every 2 days...

[Trunk]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAEL!!!

[DaoWaDiddy]

Happy Birthday Michael.

 

Be sure to have entirely too good a time today.

 

Charlie

[Yoda]

Happy Birthday Michael! I have no idea how people know birth dates around here. It must be in personal info area.

 

Killer about your kids!! They really are light years ahead, but they couldn't have been born with such sensitivity if our generation hadn't done our part for them. As a practitioner, we can see that they really are the teachers and we can benefit from them.

 

I'll rent Avatar at some point! Two weeks ago I bought a, gasp, second tv so the two kids can watch different things. Then last week, Mrs Yoda ordered all tvs to be thrown in the dungeon!! We were all relying on it too much for its babysitting services. She allows them out here and there, but they now live in the closet. It's a good overall change for us in our particular situation.

 

Cat, so far my fav book on sexuality is Deida's Enlightened Sex Manual which comes with a cd and hails from a taoist background.

[Trunk]

I'll rent Avatar at some point!

Here's a clip of the Avatar's training.

[Ian]

I could recruit a fellow (male) taoist to pass on the info.( actually I think Ian would be a fantastic person to do it in a very non - threatening / spooky way).

 

Finally - my new career! Not a moment too soon.

 

"Tactful spunk advisor to the under-age."

 

What should i call my web page?

 

I have a friend with a PhD whose surname is Cock (poor man). I keep encouraging him to get out of IT and become a specialist in erectile dysfunction, so that he can call himself "Dr Cock, the Cock Doctor." But he won't.

[Lozen]

OMG, happy birthday Michael!! I totally missed this, where have I been??

[Trunk]

Bumped into this picture on the web, just had to add it to this old thread...

 

[markern]

Very interesting topic. I know that in India quite a lot of kids are thaught a good bit of asana early on. I also know that the Bihar perople will often giver mantras to kids for meditation at around 5 or six I think. They also said in one book that around 8 years the pineal, pituary or thymus gland (or all I don`t remember) starts getting a lot smaller and that makes giving certain mantras and excercises to counteract that apropriate. They warn against most pranyama at a young age. Especialy anything advanced and powerfull and certainly anything that realy afects the lungs and ribcage physcialy because the body is growing and it can mess things up. However, they also say that simple alternate nostril breathing can be taught very early and will harmonise most of the hormonal changes during puberty (especialy if started a few years before puberty) making everthyng surprisingly smood.

 

There are kids yoga classes all over the place these days and aparently the kids like it a lot. I know htere are books about how to make it fun for them. I have also heard of quite a bit of success with short breathing and meditation excercises. Actualy there is a kindergarden in Oslo, Norway that do meditation every day and has done that for many years. I would expect very simple mindfluness of breathing would be excellent as long as it is short enough. Lama Surya Das had kids listen to a bell and try to "go with your mind were the bell goes", in efect into silence and nothingness. This apeared to work extreemly well and made some of them have realy deep experiences very , very quickly. I certainly belive that getting some of this stuff in early will have profound efects and make everything later a lot easier. Yoga Nidra might be apropriate at a certain point. Inner smile should definitely be taught because I think tehy will love it and do mini inner smile sessions throughout the day. Some sort of short loving kindness towards self and others might also work very well. As could some sort of visualisation.

 

In general I think keeping it simple, not to strong, pleasurable, balancing and very very safe should be the guiding principles. In time we will also figure out how to do this best. The results will then be amazing. I would suggest that if you kids like it you could as their teachers if you could do a couple of seasions teaching their classmates a few very easy things. A couple of asanas, easy breath awareness, the bell and inner smile perhaps. It would benefit the kids imensly and it would create a lot more harmonious environment for your children to go to scholl in.

 

 

 

Oh and by the way. about half of boys actualy experience multiple dry orgasms before they start having ejaculations and sometimes also a bit after this as well. So it should be alot easier to teach them that skill. However, retention dosen`t necesarily sound very smart to start so early.