Could this have a negative effect on my health?

[Umezuke]

Hey guys,

 

Ok, I posted a while back that when I bounce my legs quickly and consistently a massive itchy, bliss heat/fire shoots up through me right?

 

I've been practicing this on and off for a while now, maybe once or twice per week. last time was just last night... same thing happened -- then my body seriously took over and began doing it's own thing, really violently shaking this way, twisting this way, contorting like this and that. All that jazz, extremely tiring stuff. Then toward the end my body lent forward and begun shaking my head side to side like mad... felt like some crazy blissful nuclear explosion going on in the center of my head and behind my eyes.

 

Soon it just stopped and left me sitting there with the bliss slowly calming down. I kept my eyes closed, sat in lotus and just put my awareness on my LTT. Slowly it felt as though everything around me began to spin, or I was. It got faster and faster and more and more intense until it felt like I was in a vortex of some sort... eventually that stopped.

 

Was that my balance faculties screwing up due to my head being thrown around? Or... ?

 

Also I was practicing in the dark. When I exited my room into the light the centre of my head and my eyes erupted into hardly barable bliss again... when I shut my eyes or went back into the dark it stopped... so I was very sensitive to light. I was like that all last night and most of today, not anymore.

 

Are these symptoms of it effecting my health in an adverse way or no?

 

Thoughts? Thanks guys, good having people that I can turn to.

 

[hagar]

Hey guys,

 

Ok, I posted a while back that when I bounce my legs quickly and consistently a massive itchy, bliss heat/fire shoots up through me right?

 

I've been practicing this on and off for a while now, maybe once or twice per week. last time was just last night... same thing happened -- then my body seriously took over and began doing it's own thing, really violently shaking this way, twisting this way, contorting like this and that. All that jazz, extremely tiring stuff. Then toward the end my body lent forward and begun shaking my head side to side like mad... felt like some crazy blissful nuclear explosion going on in the center of my head and behind my eyes.

 

Soon it just stopped and left me sitting there with the bliss slowly calming down. I kept my eyes closed, sat in lotus and just put my awareness on my LTT. Slowly it felt as though everything around me began to spin, or I was. It got faster and faster and more and more intense until it felt like I was in a vortex of some sort... eventually that stopped.

 

Was that my balance faculties screwing up due to my head being thrown around? Or... ?

 

Also I was practicing in the dark. When I exited my room into the light the centre of my head and my eyes erupted into hardly barable bliss again... when I shut my eyes or went back into the dark it stopped... so I was very sensitive to light. I was like that all last night and most of today, not anymore.

 

Are these symptoms of it effecting my health in an adverse way or no?

 

Thoughts? Thanks guys, good having people that I can turn to.

 

 

All you describe are commons symptoms of spontaneous qi working out blockages and weakness in the body/energetic system. Don't force it, nor shut it down, but just observe. You have full control if you choose to stop it. Its all part of the process.

 

It seems like you have some degree of ungroundedness, or too much energy or attention in your mind/head. This is the usual reason for spinning and dizzy sensations.

Focus on the Dan Tian and lower torso and legs.

 

Practicing in lighted rooms are beneficial in the beginning. Dark seems to intensify certain processes.

 

Remember to keep practices abit shorter than you'd like to in the beginning to avoid "hanging on" to sensations that intensify over time.

 

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[Jeramiah Zeitigeist]

Yes, sounds like 'Self Manifested Chi Movement', or Swaying Willows and Flowing Breeze, as its often called.

 

Can't actually be sure without seeing it, but its generally a Good Thing !

[konchog uma]

http://www.easterninternalarts.org/

 

in the Store theres a DVD called Qigong For Self-Healing Series 1. Sifu Lamb covers spontaneous movement qigong in it.

[ChiDragon]

Umezuke;

 

You are experiencing "Spontaneous QiGong(自發功)". It is very dangerous if you cannot control it or stop it. Lots of Chinese in Taiwan practice it, but don't know how to end it and ended in the hospital. The doctors did not know how to treat this symptom. The least thing they can do was treat them as a patient with mental problem. Sometimes, they have to call a qigong specialist from Hong Kong to help them.

 

I had read some advices, if this happens, one should try to stop it immediately to prevent from further occurrence if possible. I think it was mentioned in my Translation of the Dragon Gate Zhan Zhuang post.

 

(四)若出現自發動功(現功)現象時，宜克制勿使其現功。

If the spontaneous chi kung occurs, it should be restrained from happening.

 

Ref: Dragon Gate Zhan Zhuang

Edited January 12, 2012 by ChiDragon

[konchog uma]

"Soon it just stopped and left me sitting there with the bliss slowly calming down."

 

no need to monger fear. He didn't say he was having uncontrollable spasms, he said he was having spontaneous movement of his energies. Which is what energies do in some cases.

 

i don't think there's a need to call a specialist in hong kong

[Tom Lin]

Hi can someone enlighten me as to what exactly is spontaneous qiqong and what happened to the poster that created this?

 

i am little confused

[Aetherous]

When violent movements happen, it should be controlled. That is not correct practice and in my experience it will cause damage. Don't forcefully stop it, but instead favor stillness. The main cause of violent movements is, of course, favoring violent movements...so have the right intent for your practice. Realize that violent movements are first of all, pointless...and second of all, bad for you.

 

Think of the name, "swaying willows and flowing breeze". There is nothing violent in that...it's incredibly gentle. The most your body should (be allowed to) do is move like a willow branch swaying in the calm breeze. The calm breeze represents your qi. You don't want a strong wind which breaks the branches...that's a deviation of the qi.

 

Spontaneous happens when your energy hits a blockage, and there isn't enough flow...so the physical body moves to accomodate it. In some cases it self corrects the issue...in some cases it doesn't and actually makes it worse. No fear mongering there, that's just the truth.

 

It's a good idea to do normal qigong, and build qi in the lower dantien...not only rely on spontaneous.

 

Just my opinion.

[thelerner]

Most of the replies here and for other health type questions should start with: 'I am not a qi doctor I just play one on the internet'. We don't, but please understand that is implied. And in a some cases we do have people with vast experience.

 

I am not one of them..nonetheless..

 

That knee shaking is reminiscent of a spontaneous chi gung practice called Kunlun. Where you hold a certain position and in most people the knees start shaking, sometimes followed by energy surges and bliss.

 

The important thing is Kunlun has some safety features. You begin when you're in a relaxed state. You also end it with a considerable amount of seated meditation. I think the book wants at least 30 minutes and mentions its importance many times. Let the energy and mind settle. Last, do less and even stop if you get over heated/energized.

 

You may be doing something different, but I assume the principle of start only when relaxed and end with a long seated emptiness style meditation is applicable.

 

Personally, I'm not energy sensitive, but there have been techniques that have 'over heated' me. When it has I've taken the common sense advice of my seniors. Back off, slow or stop the practice, in my case it had been long standing meditation in the strong afternoon sunlight.

 

Too often we train without qualified mentors. In that absence, caution is needed. It will slow us down, but keep us safe.

Edited January 12, 2012 by thelerner

[Umezuke]

Ok guys, not too much time on my hands so i'll add more later --

 

So after reading your replies (which I am very grateful for by the way) I decided to do as was suggested and approach this with a calm, serene kind of mood. Instead of violent spasms, etc the movements are almost graceful and flow very well.

 

Just to clarify -- I can stop these movements, violent and crazy or not, whenever I wish.

 

Now too, it seems, I can just turn the spontaneity on or off even without activating the bliss-fire stuff...

 

Having given you guys an update -- safe, or not safe? Lol. Also, are there any benefits to this or should stillness and emptiness be focussed on instead? Perhaps at the same time?

 

Thanks for all your input.

Edited January 13, 2012 by Umezuke