zerostao Posted January 20, 2012 i know anyone who is concerned about civil liberties, habeas corpus, govt infringing on it's own citizens like fascists must appreciate the work rand paul and like minded folks are trying to accomplish.. Â even Lao Tzu says sth like the govt that governs the best governs the least? right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
konchog uma Posted January 20, 2012 I just got an email from demandprogress.org that said that congress had dropped SOPA/PIPA Â ??? Â has anyone else heard any news? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted January 20, 2012 I just got an email from demandprogress.org that said that congress had dropped SOPA/PIPA Â ??? Â has anyone else heard any news? Â Yes, the NY Times stated such. Although it is my understanding that they have been temporarily shelved. This would mean that they could be brought to the table again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted January 22, 2012 well they have started running those "stop online piracy that steals jobs from americans" commercials again. do not underestimate the forces that would suppress liberty, freedom of speech,open communication. i am sure they will recraft a new bill soon. be ever vigilante folks. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeblast Posted January 22, 2012 What is curious to me is that with this particular law, people are actually reading it and drawing the words to their logical conclusions and are rightly horrified at the size and scope of what is covered as compared to what it was meant to address...   It is no different than things like Obamacare. The concept of 'death panels' mocked, but if you follow the law and its effects to logical conclusion its plain as day sitting right there, just like its plain as day that SOPA can have all kinds of other consequences aside from "making sure foreigners dont pirate Americans' intellectual property." Berwick loving that algorithm the NSA uses to determine age vs usefullness and then assign a monetary value of how much the public can afford to care for you. (HHS being another one of those government entities that gets to set rules on their whim and ignore congress, just like the EPA.)  We're being told these things are good for us, when you can just go and inform yourself and find out   And then people wonder when the economy is garbage, just about the only way to win is not to play...  Demand accountability from lawmakers. Demand results and reviews and if results dont happen, scrap the person or law. Of course we all would like to avoid having riots and collapse of society - that doesnt mean anyone who doesnt want that simply "supports the status quo"... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Posted January 23, 2012 What is curious to me is that with this particular law, people are actually reading it and drawing the words to their logical conclusions and are rightly horrified at the size and scope of what is covered as compared to what it was meant to address...   It is no different than things like Obamacare. The concept of 'death panels' mocked, but if you follow the law and its effects to logical conclusion its plain as day sitting right there, just like its plain as day that SOPA can have all kinds of other consequences aside from "making sure foreigners dont pirate Americans' intellectual property." Berwick loving that algorithm the NSA uses to determine age vs usefullness and then assign a monetary value of how much the public can afford to care for you. (HHS being another one of those government entities that gets to set rules on their whim and ignore congress, just like the EPA.)  We're being told these things are good for us, when you can just go and inform yourself and find out   And then people wonder when the economy is garbage, just about the only way to win is not to play...  Demand accountability from lawmakers. Demand results and reviews and if results dont happen, scrap the person or law. Of course we all would like to avoid having riots and collapse of society - that doesnt mean anyone who doesnt want that simply "supports the status quo"...  Joeblast,  Obamacare was a smoke screen, it really didn't implement or change anything, in fact you might call it a myth. In regards to demanding accountability from lawmakers, hell yeah, and the President and Supreme Court Justices as well, but of course we both know that isn't going to happen, ever. The system is "fixed" and that means it will never be fixed.  Aaron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) "but of course we both know that isn't going to happen, ever. The system is "fixed" and that means it will never be fixed. " very defeatist attitude here. some folks need to quit their self pitying , whining, and sniveling and take appropiate actions . really it is up to each of us to stand up for our rights anytime we feel they are infringed upon. then and only then will our rights be protected. i will say it like this even- the only rights you have are the ones you are willing to stand up and fight for. rust never sleeps  and here is an example of what i am talking about http://news.yahoo.co...--abc-news.html Edited January 23, 2012 by zerostao 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerard Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Latest update:  Donny Shaw, Fight for the Future [email protected] via bounce.bluestatedigital.com  SOPA has become toxic  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:56 AM   Now that Congress has had time to process last week's internet blackout, a consensus has emerged: SOPA and PIPA are toxic for politicians, and going anywhere near them could cost them their re-election.  Freedom is winning.  Together, we've done something amazing-- never have so many people stood up to defend a free and open internet. Here's a San Francisco Chronicle article about how it all came together: The Largest Online Protest in History Started Here.  And here's Carl Franzen at Talking Points Memo:  "Behind the scenes, Hill staffers from both sides of the aisle confirmed to TPM that the entire piracy debate had become so 'toxic' that virtually no lawmakers were likely to be ready to re-engage it anytime soon."  Experienced Congress-watchers are telling us they've never seen anything like this.  Internet users, tech companies, and non-profits joined together to defend fundamental rights on the internet. To a lot of elites in Congress and the corporate world, the internet is just something that lazy teenagers use to spam people with pictures of photoshopped unicorns. The blackout showed that the peer-to-peer internet is about empowerment, and that when we work together we can defeat the corrupt politics of Washington D.C.  The New York Times and Talking Points Memo have both published good articles on how the web blackout was organized.  For months, four senators were the only force blocking passage of PIPA/SOPA. They even promised to filibuster the bill back when most politicians were against them. We need to make sure we support and vote for leaders like them who are willing to going to go out on a limb and oppose SOPA before it was popular to do so. It's great that we pressured all those other shlubs into opposing web censorship, but these guys deserve the real cred and our support: Click here to donate (scroll down).  What's next? The Fight is not over, already new threats to web freedom are starting to emerge (particularly in Europe) and we're getting ready. Stay tuned, and for more updates, follow us on Twitter and Facebook.   Thank you again for standing up for a free and open internet!  - Donny and Fight for the Future  __________________________________________  Thanks for reading this and supporting the cause. Edited January 26, 2012 by Gerard 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeblast Posted January 27, 2012 Joeblast, Â Obamacare was a smoke screen, it really didn't implement or change anything, in fact you might call it a myth. In regards to demanding accountability from lawmakers, hell yeah, and the President and Supreme Court Justices as well, but of course we both know that isn't going to happen, ever. The system is "fixed" and that means it will never be fixed. Â Aaron At this point I'm asking myself how critically you judge your sources of information... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeblast Posted January 27, 2012 http://www.stopacta.info/ Â Â Weeeelllll the good thing about an international agreement is that Obama doesnt need no legislature and can just subject us all to it... Well sorry we're imposing some new regulations on you folks, ya know, its now an international treaty we need to abide by... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chang Posted January 28, 2012 Demand accountability from lawmakers. Demand results and reviews and if results dont happen, scrap the person or law. Of course we all would like to avoid having riots and collapse of society - that doesnt mean anyone who doesnt want that simply "supports the status quo"... Â Democracy is meant to provide us, the populace with the way to do this very thing. Unfortunately your cartoon describes exactly the position we find ourselves in. We are promised change but things go on pretty much the same way in most cases and our votes seem to give us a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea. Â I suppose that we should be grateful that at least in a democracy the fear of losing votes can cause governments to drop or dilute unpopular legislation. Those living under totalitarian regimes do not have this safeguard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
