forest dwelling ....

[Gerard]

Just below one or right in front would suffice, in my own experience. Caves and near waterfalls or pristine running water streams are also excellent places of practice. I would love to sit near that ridge right now:

 

 

The door to nibbana. I can feel the amazing qi of that place from here on the other side of the planet. Meditate in solitude and connected to all at the same time.

 

Hmmmmm.

[Gerard]

Early this morning, after Bagua practice, a young visitor came by from the top of the nearby mountain to see what was going on

 

 

 

 

 

 

Full moon, rejoice in the splendor of natural dwellings and the numerous beings that inhabit them.

[robaire]

 

 

personal light or celestial light?

personal self effort, or grace?

 

<link 1>

 

<link 2>

 

there is powerful spiritual war coming up. can't be helped.

everyone knows the cusp of ages is ahead. and what is a spirtiual war?

well movies like star wars and LOTR gave clues. .... you don't think it could happen close by?

you don't think such a conflict has happened before in the past?

 

if you read on magic you know that some magic is misapplied.

(ok, a lot of it is misapplied)

also when someone gets proprietary magic, they have the CORNER on the market.

 

they own that deal, and they use it to control stuff. like media.

like medicine. like education. like business. they use that ownership to shape beliefs.

to shape reality in a sense. after several weeks they convince the masses that "romney is the logical choice" ... but wait. didn't they have that scenario picked long in advance? of course.

 

• oh yeah, I think that I thunk I knew who ta vote for, but hey, they done took away my candidate and alls I hear is this other fella and they always show the fella with white shiny teeth and all and a plastic porcelain expression and this guys the guy, ya know cause that's all they ever shows ya on the tv or news, and you know I don't hear about my fella no more so maybe that means he ain't they guy, maybe ... maybe that fella's not so bad after all, yep I know, he's a plastic fella for sure but maybe he looks cuter than those other fellas and anyway he's gonna fix the economy, cause that's what he promises and everything ... duhhhhhhhhhhh .................. guhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ..... duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ................. and now we return to our other entertainment .....

 

so come on. is this war? or is it something to ignore, as we muddle about.

is someone's reality being shaped here? so how would we fight such a war?

 

do we even know what the adversary looks like? sure we do.

 

but it's blocked out of consciousnes by clever programs. imagine that eh.

 

well one thing I've found out a bit is that spiritual attainment is a pipe dream unless it balances by taking into account the resistance forces to it. there's a lot of talk here about spiritual ambition, but scarecely little about any kind of opposing energy. and you don't suppose there would be an opposing energy that doesn't like spiritual advancement?

 

 

Edited April 12, 2012 by robaire

[robaire]

 

 

this isn't really forest, but 2 years by, I had the great luck to visit some of the great cathedrals of southern england.

 

winchester, salisbury, oxford, and others. these places are full of invisible forces.

 

.......... but forest was there also. that's the secret part of it.

 

_________________

 

 

in this age of suddenly expedited knowledge and communications ..... it's possible to explore the classic writings like Gnosticism.

 

for example the ancient conflict ( ... not so much light vs dark but more like nature vs mechanized ... but that's being simplistic) ...

 

where it gets interesting is how the Archons (their name for darkside forces) play their game and set their traps.

 

do you here, anyone ... sense work of the archons in the very traps that you so often encounter in all these metaphysical or spiritual methodologies? there are many and some are more obvious while some are more subtle.

 

well there are plenty of traps out there. to ignore that basic fact would be to just allow them to be in your pathway.

 

 

(open letter to Tulku ..... using the amazing list feature along with handy italics feature)

 

• go on a bender,. get high ... wrap all the spiritual ambition, the one pointed spear sharp focus .. into a ball and toss it off a bridge and rent the most ridiculous comedy video there is, and when you wake up later, don't have coffee , have wine instead, and repeat process until situation improves.)
   
  

 

___________________

 

john lash does good writing on Gnosticism ....

 

___________________

 

 

you'll find lots of Aeons and Archons depicted in the Old Testament. the Islam includes these in their writings, the Talmud. along with Gospel of Christ the Injeel.

 

Gnosticism contends that the war- being Jahova is a chief Archon. (ie: a big problem) he is an admixed power force with much dark mixed with light. he is born out of the Abrahamic magic, which has its roots in Egyptian magic, an ancient study. he could have been a Jinn. throughtout the OT, the names are interchanged, Jahova, Lord, Elohim .... and so on.

 

....(who the heck are they all, and do they even care if they are hardly understood, and if not, why not, for such a basic subject, you'd think such carelessness would be an awful expose of their total disregard for people's comprehensions) (rant over) ...

 

but nowhere is God there, because God is the primal formless Source. like Islam says, God has no attributes other than perfection, and is incomprehensible, much like Tao is said to be. once you name it, you've probably missed it ...

 

and perfection does NOT include gratuitous violence, neither does it make RACISM a core of its beliefs.

 

when racism becomes a core belief of your religion, that is, a belief that a certain "race" amongst all peoples is chosen over the others .... and by correlation, all the others are "cattle" .... then you have a serious problem and are well on the way to a complete religious annihilation ... (enter spiritual warfare ..)

 

<link>

 

Edited April 12, 2012 by robaire

[multiarms]

Cool posts Robaire -- about Gnosticism, Archons, and spiritual war, etc. I too have enjoyed John Lash's work, which I initially discovered when I was feeling very anti-chrisitian (inspired by black metal and other very dark misanthropic music btw -- ). But the words of Lash and others has re-awakened the knowledge of a natural spirit which gives us life and in fact illuminates the Earth and the entire Universe.

 

I also have spent some time contemplating the negative forces which are perpetuating the unsatisfactory illusory world. Feeding on the rest of us and keeping us asleep. It seems as if we are heading towards a global awakening with more and more people "popping" all the time, sages like Eckhart Tolle taking an extremely radical and esoteric message to the mainstream, and above all the internet, allowing us to communicate with each other, out of the reach of government, religions, quotidien life/jobs, and corporations.

 

It is via the internet that the forces of light will muster for the final battles.

[zerostao]

Early this morning, after Bagua practice, a young visitor came by from the top of the nearby mountain to see what was going on

 

 

 

 

 

 

Full moon, rejoice in the splendor of natural dwellings and the numerous beings that inhabit them.

 

 

yeah, really cool. and exactly what i would expect from Gerard. bagua on bro'

i also rejoice in the splendor of forest dwellings, hidden caves, the reverie of high mountain haunts,

boxing with clouds, the visitations from other sentient beings, in this case the fox

 

"Happy is he who has the pure truth in him.

He will regret no sacrifice that keeps it. " faust

[robaire]

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsL1WdN9uv0

 

 

here the image of the annunaki seems incorrect, that would be a grey which are thought to be drone type of beings. the annunaki would be very tall, and have nordic style features. also the bantu folks were said to have resisted the integration... so as to form the different races of the planet ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSkUUi9XZ2E&feature=relmfu

 

_____________

 

also the ufo's don't turn that way, it's electro-gravitic propulsion which uses a superheavy element as fuel base to produce a gravitational wave for distortion of space-time, to travel. (... negate space)

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMBAgwRgNK0&feature=relmfu

Edited April 12, 2012 by robaire

[Taiji Bum]

 

I guess what had in mind here was an ideal cultivating environment.

for north america mostly. admittedly the forest is hard work to be managing in, unless you're part of a supportive community. if on your own, you would quickly become a "survivalist" rather than a daoist.

 

 

I am shopping for some land right now and this is a concern of mine. I grew up in the country on a farm and when I was a kid I was very dedicated (obsessed) to Tom Brown and primitive survival skills. All through my 20's after the Army I studied survival along with Taoism and Taoist alchemy. I am now 45 and I have saved up enough to buy a woodland retreat and I am pretty sure I can do it and make it a pretty easy life. I am planning on an earth bag dome home with as much passive heating/cooling technology as I can figure out, artesian well, and every other cool new thing the survival nuts have figured out to make living close to nature very, very comfortable. I will be buying in northern Michigan and perhaps the upper peninsula so winters are of particular concern.

[Mokona]

 

I guess what had in mind here was an ideal cultivating environment.

for north america mostly. admittedly the forest is hard work to be managing in, unless you're part of a supportive community. if on your own, you would quickly become a "survivalist" rather than a daoist.

 

and that's not the practice is it. anyway Asia seesm to have the longer tradition in these subjects. I am often amazed by how barren north america seems (at least on the surface) w.r.t. these ancient ways. but I guess that would be white man america, the one with suburbs, malls, and material values dominant.

 

still there have to be enclaves. and these probably have to be secret, for obvious reasons, best pointed out in movies like <this one> ..... (sorry for getting you stuck on the puter for an hour .. )

 

[edit - this 2nd link is a bit distopian so better amend it for now ...]

 

....recently some things are coming forwards.

 

so if in the forest, the first rule is have some fun, do not suffer unnecessarily. why. well because you are practicing. you are on the royal path. that is why. you are engaging reality. you are not there to be a survivor hero. leave that for the bud jocks. you know the ones.

 

other wise, my bet is that a nice small village, is going to offer better conditions for the serious practice.

why, well food is local. folks are there to chill with, of course that is necessary. (a friendly bar with warm atmosphere is a heck of an environment ... you just have to make sure the music is condusive to the way, which means, commercial stuff is out ... I have placed music as a serious danger to cultivating the sustained practice which is what the whole awareness is about ... all sound is a big factor. some stuff sticks to a person hours after they have heard. genuine bird song, on the other hand, is what makes the practice sweet and fast. prove it for yourself.

 

even the ancient daoists only went onto mountains knowing there were other great folks out there. no way were they doing any sort of lonesome survivor deal, not a chance. they placed happiness at the top of the list.... which coincidentally is why and how they became such accomplished sages. (I will find proof of this) and the comfy warm thatched hut. the construction details have to be worked out, but hey, no worries that is rule one, again.)

 

:-)

 

 

 

The spirit of middle-class white people is strong in you, son.

[C T]

I am shopping for some land right now and this is a concern of mine. I grew up in the country on a farm and when I was a kid I was very dedicated (obsessed) to Tom Brown and primitive survival skills. All through my 20's after the Army I studied survival along with Taoism and Taoist alchemy. I am now 45 and I have saved up enough to buy a woodland retreat and I am pretty sure I can do it and make it a pretty easy life. I am planning on an earth bag dome home with as much passive heating/cooling technology as I can figure out, artesian well, and every other cool new thing the survival nuts have figured out to make living close to nature very, very comfortable. I will be buying in northern Michigan and perhaps the upper peninsula so winters are of particular concern.

Have a think or two about yurts:

 

http://www.google.ie/search?q=yurts&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=X5CFT7KqN4a2hAe1ps3ECA&ved=0CGYQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=599

[robaire]

 

 

guo qianzhi <-> (mentored by zheng gong xing ......) daoist masters who helped bring better government to ancient china.

 

but how? how do you just bring in better government? the ways are known. not often discussed in political science courses, at least not undergrad. but graduate level. look out. when someone takes an interest in the ancient chinese arts of statecraft, in particular the celestial teachings on how to manage a country for the benefit of the peoples well being. look out. these ways are known. however they are hidden until the time is right.

 

if they're made public too soon they get scorned. they also have to be put into the hands of those who are capable of doing the job properly.

 

_____________

 

how does a king become a sagely ruler? "ministers must be trained in the (confucian/ daoist/ celestial) values of loyalty dedication honor humility integrity and honesty.

 

religious organizations must be subject to the laws of the land. education must be founded on character values."

 

Edited June 6, 2012 by robaire

[robaire]

 

it might be a good idea to do a stealth post here.

 

it's about the work of robert allen stewart.

he has described in depth the processes that take place in incarnating beings, and the levels they incarnate to and what goes on and why they go there and the lessons they learn and what lessons are next, the whole emotional sub stratum of the choice made and the experiences gotten, and the why and how of it.

 

well he does mention something called the Base Soul which is the core identity across all the incarnations. and then he mentions the soul as it enters materiality, takes on, if it "holds" to that form and survives ... a discrete local identity that is linked up to the mind of that time and place, and to the others in the group this soul is born into.

 

this ties into the idea of "am I really free to think all of my own thoughts"? the person likes to think they are ultimately free, of course. to think what you choose to think is a wonderful basis for freedom of identity. but really how free are you. when you take into account that many of your thinkings are remarkably similar to those of many others you have to wonder a bit.

 

so this is the social mind here. it is the me that is also connected to the we and how much is really me there? maybe a %? who knows. the obvious task of the hermit is to sequester herself/ himself so as to achieve and near perfect or ideal comprehension of uniqueness of mind, ownership 100% of her own his own mind. how much of that is possible. with social mind you are always thinking group stuff. like the sports scores and who won and who is in the next game etc. very social.

 

back to RA Stewart. this is deep study of between lives and choices and reasons for incarnating. he spends a lot of ink on the animal kingdom as he feels that all humans have had to grow out of that region before becoming folks. and all the reasons for those incarnations, the lessons learned. the teeth mostly.... in the case of small varmints who unfortunately often became a meal for a bigger animal. seems there is a lot of that stuff, like almost seldom reaching immortality among the smaller varmints on account of the bigger cats and stuff like that.

 

well, about being free to think your own unique thinking, maybe the idea is to move past thinking anyway. thoughts are part of the social mind mix and the ideal practitioner is looking for the formless place, the wordless idealess place where pure stuff stays and sips and sits around and wastes time, that kind of deal. which is why I guess hermits spend all their time doing stuff to become clarified and this has nothing to do with logically pleasing city folks does it now.

 

in their next life where do they go? well one thing they probably know the folks who escort the souls to those places seeing as they get to know why they chose that body and what their task was and what the next tasks are. they say that being helpful is a big part of it. if you practice on your own and try and do magic stuff without helping others much, you're going to be a certain kind of person but not maybe the highest kind there is. hey too much yakking here. enough already.

 

___________

 

ps. true priviledge in using net to converse with beings like gerard & zerostao ....

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 7, 2012 by robaire

[robaire]

 

 

 

IF SOMEONE ....................

 

designed some kind of wilderness temple .........

 

made out of local materials ...........

 

would anyone go there to be a "monk" .....?

 

(preferred location - ocean coast ...)

 

could you attract teachers ...?

 

could you design a good activities guide for those who like that,

and some independent retreat for those who prefer this?

 

reason for this post :

western world lagging in creative spirtitual retreat projects.

 

sort of like the India ashram model. ashrams a plenty.

state of mind. places to go and contemplate.

so easy so natural. anywhere.

 

 

Edited May 2, 2012 by robaire

[zerostao]

a few of us have had a similar idea. the ones i could help with would not be so close to the ocean however.

and may have a quasi tiki bar close-by. er i mean teahouse

perhaps an apothecary

 

http://www.yogajournal.com/lifestyle/1214

 

http://www.qigongmaster.com/retreatcenters/ahommholymountain/index.php

[Gerard]

Other "beings" you can find in our wise friend, the forest:

 

 

And some interesting vids about nature spirits:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjznujBcRUs&feature=related

 

Recommended books:

 

1. The Secret Life of Nature: Living in Harmony With the Hidden World of Nature Spirits from Fairies to Quarks (Peter Tompkins)

 

http://www.amazon.com/The-Secret-Life-Nature-Harmony/dp/0062508474

 

2. Nature Spirits & Elemental Beings (Marko Pogacnik)

 

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/36092151/Nature-Spirits-and-Elemental-Beings

 

 

Excerpt from the last book (pp. 14-18):

 

http://www.amazon.com/Nature-Spirits-Elemental-Beings-Pogacnik/dp/1899171665#reader_1899171665

 

If anyone is interested in reading the first book send me a PM.

 

Edited April 23, 2012 by Gerard

[zerostao]

out in the woods, the forest always wears the colors of the spirit. the forest is a mighty cathedral.

when i feel the calamity that sometimes the hustle and bustle of the rat race brings, i always find my

peace, my refuge out in the raw nature of the forest. my melancholy is dissolved by the frolics of

faeries, nymphs, elves, forest dwelling beings.

there is a light that filters thru the forest canopy unlike any other light. it is pure magic.

the trees and plants , even rocks all speak to me, and i to them or at the least we nod to each other.

the effect of our communication sometimes takes me by surprise and yet is not unknown.

the immortal beauty of the wilderness flowers, hills, the animals, reflect the finest , the sublime true wisdom.

such good fortune i have , to have found out in the forest , wild delights, exiliraration, redemption, restoration.

no matter what happens to me in urban settings, i find renewal, there is no disgrace, calamity, or illness

that the forest cannot and will not repair. the forest never forgets me and it bestows upon me grace and health.

indeed even to perpetual youthfulness. it rolls away the years. it grants me tranquility and equanimity.

it uplifts me, it reminds me that i am nothing, yet, it lets me see grand sights, moments in when i can see all.

there is always a festival going on. in the mornings, the afternoons, under the stars at night.

out in the forest there is peace, kindest generosity, always giving to those who would venture in and accept the gifts.

my wish is that all could feel the lightness , hear the forest music , embrace and be embraced by an energy so comforting.

i encourage anyone to tap into true wisdom.

[Gerard]

Good to see that Bagua has opened your heart to the subtle world.

 

I did early am Bagua walk this morning because full moon peaked at 98% last night. I knew that something was going to happen last evening and indeed it happened. Just with the sunrise a gnome riding a young fox () came and jumped almost inside the circle, I had a good laugh, but soon afterwards I started crying like a baby and I felt a big relief as some blockages in the lung Qi were further dissolved.

 

I asked the fox (or the gnome) about Bagua's real origins and either spirit told me deeply rooted in Asian shamanism and further refined by mountain-dwelling Chinese Taoists. Dong Haichuan was just a messenger to the ordinary world. The practice is as old as humanity. It all started with the ritual of the purification through fire and ecstastic dancing around the circle.

 

Full moon practice is always intense and magical to me. Thanks earth spirits for purifying my heart and lungs early this morning.

 

 

i encourage anyone to tap into true wisdom.

 

A couple of weeks ago, while I was doing walking meditation practice with arms embracing the tree, nature spirits shared with me their main function: creating the natural elements. Now wonder why some of them are so angry with humans, as we are continually savaging Gaia. One of them showed his angry face to me and I just calmed the spirit down by offering my heart Qi, well the spirit quickly changed its anger to that of a sad face.

 

One particular deva was blowing universal qi and a plant was formed. It was a truly wonderful mystical experience. I understand now why Australian Aboriginal people say that in The Dreaming the spirits shaped our world.

 

This is a cursed land, European settlers have destroyed the balance that has been kept by Aboriginal people for thousands of years. I am saddened by this constant aggression that this land is experiencing due to White ignorance and greed.

Edited June 5, 2012 by Gerard

[zerostao]

Good to see that Bagua has opened your heart to the subtle world.

 

I did early am Bagua walk this morning because full moon peaked at 98% last night. I knew that something was going to happen last evening and indeed it happened. Just with the sunrise a gnome riding a young fox () came and jumped almost inside the circle, I had a good laugh, but soon afterwards I started crying like a baby and I felt a big relief as some blockages in the lung Qi were further dissolved.

 

I asked the fox (or the gnome) about Bagua's real origins and either spirit told me deeply rooted in Asian shamanism and further refined by mountain-dwelling Chinese Taoists. Dong Haichuan was just a messenger to the ordinary world. The practice is as old as humanity. It all started with the ritual of the purification through fire and ecstastic dancing around the circle.

 

Full moon practice is always intense and magical to me. Thanks earth spirits for purifying my heart and lungs early this morning.

 

 

 

 

A couple of weeks ago, while I was doing walking meditation practice with arms embracing the tree, nature spirits shared with me their main function: creating the natural elements. Now wonder why some of them are so angry with humans, as we are continually savaging Gaia. One of them showed his angry face to me and I just calmed the spirit down by offering my heart Qi, well the spirit quickly changed its anger to that of a sad face.

 

One particular deva was blowing universal qi and a plant was formed. It was a truly wonderful mystical experience. I understand now why Australian Aboriginal people say that in The Dreaming the spirits shaped our world.

 

This is a cursed land, European settlers have destroyed the balance that has been kept by Aboriginal people for thousands of years. I am saddened by this constant aggression that this land is experiencing due to White ignorance and greed.

 

today we have venus transit. these are the days , truly sublime

i am going fishing

[Master Logray]

May I ask a more practical question. If you people are doing all sorts of meditation in forests - then how do you deal with mosquitoes? Or there is no mosquitoes in N. America because of the lower temperature?

[zerostao]

May I ask a more practical question. If you people are doing all sorts of meditation in forests - then how do you deal with mosquitoes? Or there is no mosquitoes in N. America because of the lower temperature?

 

 

i dont have too many problems with mosquito or ticks etc.

if i did encounter some i have some herbal remedy and protection

[Gerard]

This is the Nature's response to human abuse of the natural environment. A very good example of ondines (water elementals) commanding jellyfish against the Japanese and their overfishing policy and cruelty towards whales and dolphins, highly evolved marine beings:

 

"Plagues of giant jellyfish are preparing to attack Japan - millions of these Sumo-sized gelatinous monsters will wreak havoc on Japans coastal towns. The giant Nomura jellyfish grows to over two metres long and up to 200 kilograms in weight."

 

http://www.coralmagazine-us.com/content/attack-monster-jellyfish-no-laughing-matter

[suninmyeyes]

there is no disgrace, calamity, or illness

that the forest cannot and will not repair

 

Wow, what an amazing post zerostao!

 

I quoted this part of what you wrote becouse it says a lot. Forest is sooooooooooo healing. Incredible. In my opinion one of the big reasons people get ill so much becouse we dont spend time outdoors. Except if literally couple of hours a week or a little more depending on the season.(city folk that is)

Most of my collegues at work are like this for fact, and when they do go out its to the bar or resturant -- which is techinacly staying inside again. I feel sorry when they get ill or are super lethargic ,but they prefer to take pill. It is my wish to stimulate at least people around me somehow to understand the dynamics better.

Not spending time in nature can cause serious problems on many levels becouse we loose contact very organic part of nature and with that a part of ourselves , we stop understanding life and feel so much separation and loss.

We start treating the nature like a slave , enviromental problems abaound, as well as many ilnesses develop from this problem nowdays too.

 

Going for a run in the park now.

Edited June 18, 2012 by suninmyeyes

[suninmyeyes]

May I ask a more practical question. If you people are doing all sorts of meditation in forests - then how do you deal with mosquitoes? Or there is no mosquitoes in N. America because of the lower temperature?

If in the area with a lot of mosquitos , meditate under the net , or outdoors during the day when there is less mozzies.

I had problem with ants recently while in the forest .They were really biting and crawling all over , but honestly I was so starved for nature and blissed out to sit among the pine trees in the middle of nowhere that it didnt really matter that much. Id brush them of every now and than.

[Informer]

nvm.

Edited June 21, 2012 by Informer

[Apech]

@informer ... impressive ... where did you find out how to grow the mushrooms?