Is anything truly Ineffable?

[gatito]

Gods holy grace is ineffable.

 

I really can't disagree with that!!

[Marblehead]

Gods holy grace is ineffable.

Hi Cat.

 

Nice to see an alternate view.

[Marblehead]

I really can't disagree with that!!

Well, I could have but I didn't want to appear smug.

[三江源]

I *heart* the ineffable.

[三江源]

Well, I could have but I didn't want to appear smug.

Interesting point. Can one appear smug if one is in fact not smug? If so, what is one doing that expresses such an illusion?

[gatito]

I'm trying to let you take the lead. (I am opinionated though. You know that, right?)

 

This isn't about opinions but about your first-hand direct experience.

 

It doesn't matter what anyone else knows or believes or thinks.

[Marblehead]

Can you locate an edge or a boundary to your Consciousness?

Yep. I can. I cannot consciously imagine a god.

 

Or better,

 

My consciousness is non-existant when I am sleeping and not dreaming.

[三江源]

We're not talking about science because science cannot measure or capture Consciousness.

 

Now here's where it might start to get really interesting: -

 

Can you locate an edge or a boundary to your Consciousness?

 

You have to really look - for yourself. This is NOT about beliefs!!!

 

I was thinking yesterday how funny it is really, when I say to myself "I need some space to relax" when in fact I am little more than space.

[三江源]

Yep. I can. I cannot consciously imagine a god.

 

Or better,

 

My consciousness is non-existant when I am sleeping and not dreaming.

Dont need to go 'imaging' a God. No need to work that hard.

[gatito]

That, my friend, is the bottom line. There is no evidence to prove the absence nor is ther any evidence to prove the existence. At this point it is up to the individual to make the choice. To believe or to deny. Mine was to deny. To each his/her own.

 

My first straying from the belief was the belief in a virgin birth. A pass-down from Greek mythology.

 

Believe in whatever you want. That doesn't make it a fact though - does it?

[Marblehead]

Interesting point. Can one appear smug if one is in fact not smug? If so, what is one doing that expresses such an illusion?

Hehehe. Are you trying to get us off topic?

 

I think that confidence oftentimes appears as being smug.

[三江源]

Hehehe. Are you trying to get us off topic?

 

I think that confidence oftentimes appears as being smug.

No I dont want to get off topic. apologies.

!

[Marblehead]

It doesn't matter what anyone else knows or believes or thinks.

Well, I do care about what others "know" (and can prove what they know to be a truth). But the other two aren't as important although I do care about that too.

[gatito]

Yep. I can. I cannot consciously imagine a god.

 

Or better,

 

My consciousness is non-existant when I am sleeping and not dreaming.

 

That's a limit of mind (thought) not of Consciousnes isn't it?

 

Thoughts appear in Consciousness, they have a beginning and end and are therefore obviously finite.

 

They tell you nothing about the edge of Consciousness - do they?

[Marblehead]

Dont need to go 'imaging' a God. No need to work that hard.

I have to acknowledge that you believe what you believe. (Never will try to change your beliefs either.)

[Marblehead]

Believe in whatever you want. That doesn't make it a fact though - does it?

No. Only facts can be facts. There are tests to prove if something is a fact. Beliefs are personal. Don't need facts.

[三江源]

I have to acknowledge that you believe what you believe. (Never will try to change your beliefs either.)

 

Go by experience.

[Marblehead]

No I dont want to get off topic. apologies.

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That was supposed to be a joke. Hehehe. I am a Taoist, remember? Everything is on topic.

[三江源]

[Marblehead]

That's a limit of mind (thought) not of Consciousnes isn't it?

 

Thoughts appear in Consciousness, they have a beginning and end and are therefore obviously finite.

 

They tell you nothing about the edge of Consciousness - do they?

This is more difficult to respond to.

 

There is no consciousness beyond mind.

 

In meditation one can be conscious but without thoughts. I really doubt there can be thoughts without consciousness.

 

Everything is finite. Yet we have the law of conversation of energy that states that (my words) energy is infinite. And all matter in the universe is made up of energy.

 

I'm still not sure what you are looking for with the "edge of consciousness". Do you mean that there is no limit as to what we can consciously imagine or be aware of?

[Apech]

Chocolate is the answer to all philosophical enquiries.

[Marblehead]

Go by experience.

I try my best to do that.

(That's why I didn't get married a fourth time.)

[Marblehead]

Great topic!!!

[三江源]

I try my best to do that.

(That's why I didn't get married a fourth time.)

eh no. fifth time lucky.

[Marblehead]

Chocolate is the answer to all philosophical enquiries.

I can't deny that!

 

When I pop a piece of chocolate in my mouth there are no unanwered questions until the chocolate is gone.