Harmonious Emptiness Posted March 12, 2012 Great question... Start at the next meal. I think prayer is mental intention/projection but if you use the hands over the food it is like bring heaven/universe down as part of the blessing (of Qi), a stronger conduit. I would recommend it as a moment before eating. I think Emoto's research is worth viewing: Water Crystals and Emotion Thanks for the response Dawei I guess just using the hands would require a refined state in the person which, as shown by the video (thanks for the reminder of that btw), could be altered by thoughts in a prayer. So say someone was working with food and they blessed the food for several hours a day, they could maybe repeat a mantra in their mind rather than projecting their qi it seems. I think that just bringing the hands down over the food may or may not bring good qi into the food, as someone may just expel turbid or exhausted chi for example. Maybe just a single word or a few words like, "happiness" "prosperity" "divine" or names like "Shakyamuni Buddha" "Leih Tzu" will have a nice effect for all involved.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted March 12, 2012 Thanks for the response Dawei I guess just using the hands would require a refined state in the person which, as shown by the video (thanks for the reminder of that btw), could be altered by thoughts in a prayer. So say someone was working with food and they blessed the food for several hours a day, they could maybe repeat a mantra in their mind rather than projecting their qi it seems. I think that just bringing the hands down over the food may or may not bring good qi into the food, as someone may just expel turbid or exhausted chi for example. Maybe just a single word or a few words like, "happiness" "prosperity" "divine" or names like "Shakyamuni Buddha" "Leih Tzu" will have a nice effect for all involved.. IMO, the intention is what is important... not the focus on Qi. The hands over food would give one a chance to 'amp' the intention. If working with food, I think a mantra would be fine but drive some others crazy... a simple smile or thought could fill the room up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ya Mu Posted March 12, 2012 I'm wondering in regards to this thread, how does this relate to blessing food as some people suggest to do. Or what if you bless food or items that you give to others. Does one need great training to do this, or just focused attention? Could this diminish ones store of qi, and require meditation to replenish it? Any suggestions on effective ways to do all or any of this? I always say that this is one thing we all should do. Yes, if one has raised their energy body vibration, this will work much better than if one has not; much more access to the energetics needed to transmute. Come to my April Terre Haute workshop and I will show you a method for obtaining that. I do teach the method we use for blessing of food. However, that said, I am of the opinion that some is better than none, in this case. You can have an effect if you say a prayer. Not a beseeching of a little old man in the sky thanking him for food, although nothing wrong with giving thanks for food. But a casting of intent that the food be cleaned of negative energetics. I also think that the more one practices this the more effective it is. I also think that it would take a lot of practice to get to the point of neutralizing all chemical and/or bacteria. But cleansing of negative energetics can help. I think I may have a blog post on this is you want to check out my blog, accessible from my android app or from my website home page menus. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harmonious Emptiness Posted March 12, 2012 Thanks for your reply Ya Mu. I checked through the blog posts but didn't see it. Read some good ones along the way though. Looks like your diggin' up some gold on that D string ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flowing hands Posted March 12, 2012 I'm wondering in regards to this thread, how does this relate to blessing food as some people suggest to do. Or what if you bless food or items that you give to others. Does one need great training to do this, or just focused attention? Could this diminish ones store of qi, and require meditation to replenish it? Any suggestions on effective ways to do all or any of this? I've got to say I think this is not a good idea! Living things have their own DNA, Jing and Qi, unless it has been interfered with by someone like me, then you should consume the food as it is presented. The energy in the food if fresh will be strong and vital, allow your body to absorb it. Don't interfere with the energy of another living thing even if your intention is good. Giving and even the taking of energy is a specialist field, intentions are fine but having control of energy is a completely different matter. A specific command must be given using energy and not just thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harmonious Emptiness Posted March 12, 2012 I've got to say I think this is not a good idea! Living things have their own DNA, Jing and Qi, unless it has been interfered with by someone like me, then you should consume the food as it is presented. The energy in the food if fresh will be strong and vital, allow your body to absorb it. Don't interfere with the energy of another living thing even if your intention is good. Giving and even the taking of energy is a specialist field, intentions are fine but having control of energy is a completely different matter. A specific command must be given using energy and not just thought. This does resonate well with me actually. I generally just avoid throwing any exhausted or negative energy on living or sacred (spiritually alive) things. I think I understand what you mean by just appreciating the essence that it has to offer, sort of like finding the voice of a hand-made drum, or paying attention to the subtleties of fine tea, appreciating or honouring the character of them. Since I'm not an energy master. Though sometimes if I feel something was given to me with a bit of negativity I'll intend that away before really accepting it for myself. I also use cedar or sage smudge on occassion, but not on food. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flowing hands Posted March 12, 2012 This does resonate well with me actually. I generally just avoid throwing any exhausted or negative energy on living or sacred (spiritually alive) things. I think I understand what you mean by just appreciating the essence that it has to offer, sort of like finding the voice of a hand-made drum, or paying attention to the subtleties of fine tea, appreciating or honouring the character of them. Since I'm not an energy master. Though sometimes if I feel something was given to me with a bit of negativity I'll intend that away before really accepting it for myself. I also use cedar or sage smudge on occassion, but not on food. If you make your energy strong it will not matter whether you come into contact with negative energies, your energy will not be affected, but you may change the energy that is negative! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harmonious Emptiness Posted March 12, 2012 If you make your energy strong it will not matter whether you come into contact with negative energies, your energy will not be affected, but you may change the energy that is negative! Yes, this is more or less my approach.. "having nowhere for the tigers claw to alight." Just a matter of consistent and correct cultivation of both qi and virtue I guess (which is the more likely the most difficult cultivation...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ya Mu Posted March 12, 2012 Yes, this is more or less my approach.. "having nowhere for the tigers claw to alight." Just a matter of consistent and correct cultivation of both qi and virtue I guess (which is the more likely the most difficult cultivation...) Yes, the qi projection itself is a specialist's field. But Prayer is fine. Of course our biggest problem is finding that fresh food here in the USA. I saw a documentary one time where a farmgirl in NY marked her eggs that were sold through a distributor to grocery stores. Several WEEKS later they showed up in the grocery store. Sickening. I eat eggs laid the day before and find it difficult to eat anything else after that. But really, haven't you been practicing qigong for a bit? My students are able to do this quite quickly. Proficiency within 3 years, mastery within 100,000 (joke). 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ya Mu Posted March 12, 2012 Thanks for your reply Ya Mu. I checked through the blog posts but didn't see it. Read some good ones along the way though. Looks like your diggin' up some gold on that D string ! http://qigongamerica.blogspot.com/2010/03/blessing-our-food-why-dont-more-folks.html I like to do these runs and end up WAY up there on double lang scale bass. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harmonious Emptiness Posted March 13, 2012 Yes, the qi projection itself is a specialist's field. But Prayer is fine. Of course our biggest problem is finding that fresh food here in the USA. I saw a documentary one time where a farmgirl in NY marked her eggs that were sold through a distributor to grocery stores. Several WEEKS later they showed up in the grocery store. Sickening. I eat eggs laid the day before and find it difficult to eat anything else after that. But really, haven't you been practicing qigong for a bit? My students are able to do this quite quickly. Proficiency within 3 years, mastery within 100,000 (joke). I tend to do qi gong in phases of regularity, so a lot of the time I would have to balance my own energy before I attempted to work on something else's balance. I feel like my intentions are fairly attuned in general though, so I do use focus if, say, I'm preparing herbs for medicinal tea. I can't see qi, but I can feel chaotic energy I believe. For example, I bought some clothes for a friend's baby shower and made sure to smudge them with sage and positive intention, since I could feel a bit of that department store mindlessness energy. However, I close my eyes when I practice because a) it helps me feel and sometimes I feel some very strong energy, wood pops etc., and I don't want to know more than I'm ready for since I'm rogue and I don't have access to someone I trust actually knows much about the depths of phenomena and the esoteric world. I'm sure they're around me, I just haven't had the serendipity and/or resources to learn from them.. Maybe the biggest resource I'm lacking is my drive to commit to them, lol, but life makes the roads sometimes I guess... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harmonious Emptiness Posted March 13, 2012 http://qigongamerica.blogspot.com/2010/03/blessing-our-food-why-dont-more-folks.html I like to do these runs and end up WAY up there on double lang scale bass. Ah, lead bass fishing eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ya Mu Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) Ah, lead bass fishing eh? HA! I often joke about playing the bass (as in fish). Misspelled long scale meaning double octave. I agree that you shouldn't push development past what you are comfortable with. However, one workshop with me and I think you would be comfortable doing the blessing of food. That is IF you practiced the method to raise the energy body vibration - it doesn't really take all that long. Since you are already sensitive to picking the contaminated vibrations from clothing I think you are further along than you realize. edit: typo Edited March 13, 2012 by Ya Mu 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kempomaster Posted March 14, 2012 I see no problem with blessing your food with a prayer of using your own energetics - provided that you have indeed worked to develop your internal Qi. Simply relying on those that prepared the food to have taken care to cleanse and prepare the food in such a manner that one doesn't have to worry is simply foolish. Perhaps - those that feel its best to leave their food alone have never worked in a restaurant! I have seen some of the most disgusting things done to food that is being consumed by the public - salad spit in, steaks tossed on the floor, fish prepared well after its spoil date, not to mention the cook that is preparing food and is simply pissed off that he is either stuck working a job he/she doesnt like and is projecting the negative energy onto the food they are serving or worse hoping that those that eat the food choke on it or get sick. On numerous occasions i have looked at the food and quickly got the belief that the food is best left untouched and uneaten by me. To believe in your Qi ability is one thing but to think that your Qi is powerful enough to negate anything in food without taking proper precaution again is foolish. You have read above that you use intent with energy to rid food of any negative substance or energetics, so, if you have developed your Qi why not take a moment before you eat and placed your hands around/over your food - then simply light up the food and use your energy/intent to cleanse the food of anything that might harm you and say a little prayer that you digest your food in a healthy manner and your body is able to utilize the nutrients as intended, and if you want you can include thanks for the food to those that provided the food and prepared it. You have nothing to loose by blessing your food -- I suggest finding a Qigong system that helps you to build internal energy (Neigong) and once you beging to build your Qi, then bless your food. Thanks, Brion aka Kempomaster 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harmonious Emptiness Posted March 14, 2012 ^^ I think I could handle something like the following movement at 5:45 of this video: My link Just sensing the energy there, removing negative and replacing it with my own positive "mindfulness" type of energy with which I would do this in .. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted March 15, 2012 I see no problem with blessing your food with a prayer of using your own energetics - provided that you have indeed worked to develop your internal Qi. I think you are thinking black/white... It is not about negation; it is about acceptance/allowing. This life is full of crap we must accept and allow... No need to fight the earth when one can allow the universe. People should start today without hesitation to smile upon their food; I encourage with hands-over. This is the same as dealing with life... Don't make it out like everyone needs to fill out an application and have a Qi check to see if they are deemed qualified to eat or bless something... it is much more natural and lower-key than your making it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawei Posted March 15, 2012 Of course our biggest problem is finding that fresh food here in the USA. My Qigong master cannot eat the meat in the US. My wife, who is chinese, first came here and had stomach problems from the meat and fish. Our [uS] approach is clearly depleting the Qi in food. The body will adjust over time to any 'way'; that is a process of Dao. We can get our body to change or it will change on it's own to reject something which does not 'feel right' (feel the way of Dao). BTW: I had too many great discussions offline with RainbowVein... I have wanted to attend your workshops but the last two are conflicted with business trips. Such is life (The way of Dao). Destiny says to wait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjjbecker Posted March 15, 2012 I think you are thinking black/white... It is not about negation; it is about acceptance/allowing. This life is full of crap we must accept and allow... No need to fight the earth when one can allow the universe. People should start today without hesitation to smile upon their food; I encourage with hands-over. This is the same as dealing with life... Don't make it out like everyone needs to fill out an application and have a Qi check to see if they are deemed qualified to eat or bless something... it is much more natural and lower-key than your making it. Your first paragraph...what? Brion and Michael have both written a lot here about 'listening'. It isn't about 'fighting' anything. It IS about doing good things as and when the situation allows it. The ability to 'listen' is developed by the practice. There is no forcing or fighting the earth. Brion and Michael are just passing on some advice, based on their own experience. I don't see anywhere them saying a person shouldn't 'bless' or 'give thanks' for their food. That said, having some developed ability undoubtedly makes a difference. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjjbecker Posted March 15, 2012 My Qigong master cannot eat the meat in the US. My wife, who is chinese, first came here and had stomach problems from the meat and fish. Our [uS] approach is clearly depleting the Qi in food. The body will adjust over time to any 'way'; that is a process of Dao. We can get our body to change or it will change on it's own to reject something which does not 'feel right' (feel the way of Dao). BTW: I had too many great discussions offline with RainbowVein... I have wanted to attend your workshops but the last two are conflicted with business trips. Such is life (The way of Dao). Destiny says to wait. Perhaps they were suffering from MSG withdrawal symptoms? Not to defend some of the farming practices, or cooking methods, used in the US, but China is no haven of pure food. I don't think the exploding water melons of last year were a sign of good, healthy organic farming. The mass use of MSG or the illegal recycling of cooking oil from sewers aren't happy situations either. I know organic meat and vegetables can be obtained in the US (my brother having lived in the US for more than 20 years tells me so). I can also say China is no garden of Eden (having lived here a few years myself). As for all the 'Dao' comments, I recommend the Dao of brevity. The Dao of grammar also-correct use of past tense in particular ('...the last two have conflicted with...') 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mYTHmAKER Posted March 15, 2012 Don't forget to bless those who have brought the food to your table. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kempomaster Posted March 15, 2012 Thank you mjjbecker -- that is in fact what is needed -- Develop one's Qi and develop one's listening skills. I will maintain my position on blessing food to rid it of any negative pathogens. You can choose to allow or you can choose to bless. I believe God made us smart enough to know when we need to do one or the other. In my case, I have developed the habit of always blessing the food -- I choose not to allow any substance to pollute my body or sicken me - as above the Qigong Master that couldn't eat the food here. Why not bless -- but 1st -- make certain that you have developed the internal Qi with which to work with. As you develop your Qi -- you will gain the ability to listen and know what the right thing to do is. Thanks, Brion aka Kempomaster 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flowing hands Posted March 16, 2012 'Blessing' indicates to me a wanting of divine intervention. To say thanks for your food I think is good although totally unnecessary for ordinary people. The Tao has given life for free, it does not require our thanks nor our rejection, it simply is what it is. We are part of this. To give our thanks is to start believing in the divine and divine intervention into our fortunes or whether we are helped to have food or not. But of course we are dependent on ourselves and others to provide that food and not necessarily the divine. I remember a Christian once said to me; "God helps those who help themselves". They must have heard of the Tao!! If you wash your vegetables, prepare any fresh meat, you are cleansing this of any negative, so to speak, energy. Energy needs a form and a command to remain what it is. It rarely, in simple cellular structures, remains what it is when it is handled. When it has deteriorated and is dying, no end of energy sent into that food will make it young and fresh. Choose fresh food and don't waste your store, you need it for your life. A long life is far better than a short one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mokona Posted March 16, 2012 'Blessing' indicates to me a wanting of divine intervention. To say thanks for your food I think is good although totally unnecessary for ordinary people. The Tao has given life for free, it does not require our thanks nor our rejection, it simply is what it is. We are part of this. To give our thanks is to start believing in the divine and divine intervention into our fortunes or whether we are helped to have food or not. But of course we are dependent on ourselves and others to provide that food and not necessarily the divine. I remember a Christian once said to me; "God helps those who help themselves". They must have heard of the Tao!! If you wash your vegetables, prepare any fresh meat, you are cleansing this of any negative, so to speak, energy. Energy needs a form and a command to remain what it is. It rarely, in simple cellular structures, remains what it is when it is handled. When it has deteriorated and is dying, no end of energy sent into that food will make it young and fresh. Choose fresh food and don't waste your store, you need it for your life. A long life is far better than a short one. If your Kenny Loggins, life is a Danger Zone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kempomaster Posted March 16, 2012 No not wanting a divine intervention. Just using my own energetic capability to "Bless" the food, "Cleanse"it, Neutralize negative pathogens, whatever you want to call it. I do more than enough Qigong daily to use a blast of energy on my food as well as treat those that I encounter that desire/need Medical Qigong. I practice Stillness-Movement Neigong and from what I have seen, it is a very powerful Qigong System. Probably a good idea to eat fresh food - vegetables, fruits, meat, fish, frains, etc -- but never assume that what you get at a restaurant is fresh or even what comes from the local store is actually fresh. transportation and storage may have had an effect on how fresh. The only way to insure freshness is to grow your own. Thanks, Kempomaster 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ya Mu Posted March 16, 2012 No not wanting a divine intervention. Just using my own energetic capability to "Bless" the food, "Cleanse"it, Neutralize negative pathogens, whatever you want to call it. I do more than enough Qigong daily to use a blast of energy on my food as well as treat those that I encounter that desire/need Medical Qigong. I practice Stillness-Movement Neigong and from what I have seen, it is a very powerful Qigong System. Probably a good idea to eat fresh food - vegetables, fruits, meat, fish, frains, etc -- but never assume that what you get at a restaurant is fresh or even what comes from the local store is actually fresh. transportation and storage may have had an effect on how fresh. The only way to insure freshness is to grow your own. Thanks, Kempomaster You hit the nail on the head about the transportation & storage being one of the problems. Most people don't stop & think about the handlers and the handling of food before it gets to them. "Blessing" of food. I guess if one comes from the Judeo-Christian system it would be easy for them to have a particular idea about it's meaning. Also, I grant, different people have different meanings of things formed in their minds when they speak. When I speak of "blessing" I am referring to energetic cleaning from sick qi to purity. This is something that is needed in today's world. Washing something does not remove inner absorbed negative energetics. It is, however, a necessity today. And, what I am referring to is not "Divine Intervention'. I am of the firm belief and have seen much to reinforce that belief, that the old way was to call in the Spirits to do things, like healing. I maintain that now is time for us to realize who we really are and assume responsibility for doing the things we ARE capable of instead of "calling in and asking for Divine Intervention". One of these things that is our inate heritage is manipulation of energetics. Yes, it does require time&effort to learn how. But so does anything worthwhile in life. The manipulation of energetics to "bless" the food does not mean someone would waste inner energy needed for health of life, IF they practice a powerful form of neigong. Yes, if they don't it is possible that they would be giving energy they do not have to spare. Hence I suggested a simple prayer, which would be a casting of intent for that to happen. But if anyone practices qigong that is beyond calisthenics, although unfortunately many systems are only that, then they should, in a relatively short period of time, get to where they can "bless" the food, quite safely. Food I grow myself does not need blessing; it already is. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites