konchog uma Posted February 23, 2012 Hello bums! I would like some input as to which translation of the VijnanaBhairava is your favorite. I had a really powerful shivaratri and would like to deepen my study/practice. I would like a version that is not academic, but has spirit and soul. My favorite thing about shaivism is that its so rich and vibrant, and i engage it to balance out the dryness of buddhism and the loftiness of daoism. Shaivism is like the mud i love to roll around in and i'd like a book that reflects that, if you could recommend one or two i am leaning toward lakshman joo or daniel odier but i am open to anything!! thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric23 Posted February 23, 2012 I've got the Daniel Odier version, which is actually an appendix to his book Yoga Spandakarika. Very straight forward with no embellishments. At one point I had a site with Osho's commentary bookmarked, but the link doesn't work now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted February 23, 2012 Hello bums! I would like some input as to which translation of the VijnanaBhairava is your favorite. I had a really powerful shivaratri and would like to deepen my study/practice. I would like a version that is not academic, but has spirit and soul. My favorite thing about shaivism is that its so rich and vibrant, and i engage it to balance out the dryness of buddhism and the loftiness of daoism. Shaivism is like the mud i love to roll around in and i'd like a book that reflects that, if you could recommend one or two i am leaning toward lakshman joo or daniel odier but i am open to anything!! thanks http://www.amazon.com/Vijnana-Bhairava%C3%82-Practice-Centring-Awareness/dp/8186569359 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
konchog uma Posted February 23, 2012 thanks for the responses i went with lakshman joo, but instead of "A Practice in Centering Awareness" i got his hardcover, "A Manual for Self-Realization" Barnes and Noble wanted $50 for it but i got it on amazon for $14 new. ??? i don't understand how these things work. it was $135 and up used. ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted February 23, 2012 You can always compare with Odier's for free: http://danielodier.com/ENGLISH/Texts/vijnana_e.html Some of it, I really love. Let us know how the other versions are! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth Ananda Posted February 24, 2012 My KS Teacher says Jaideva Singh's work. Osho's is the worst possible translation in print. He had know Idea about KS or Tantrism, yet thought he was an expert because of his English education. I like Odiers works as well but I believe there are translation errors, as from him it comes from Sanskrit to French to English... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
konchog uma Posted February 24, 2012 Scotty, thanks! nice... Seth, the reviews i read of Singh's work seemed to imply that it was more a scholarly work, in that it was perceived as erudite but dry. I don't like Osho, he's a creep, and not authentic IMO. I feel the same way you do about Odier, the whole Sanskrit to French to English thing kinda keeps me at arms length when it comes to him. And thanks to Scotty's link, i can read him for free! I like lakshman joo, although sometimes he writes in a style that's hard for me to understand, because i don't know all those sanskrit terms. I just need to keep studying so i can keep up! haha ...I'll try to let you all know how i like the book when it arrives Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth Ananda Posted February 24, 2012 Scotty, thanks! nice... Seth, the reviews i read of Singh's work seemed to imply that it was more a scholarly work, in that it was perceived as erudite but dry. I don't like Osho, he's a creep, and not authentic IMO. I feel the same way you do about Odier, the whole Sanskrit to French to English thing kinda keeps me at arms length when it comes to him. And thanks to Scotty's link, i can read him for free! I like lakshman joo, although sometimes he writes in a style that's hard for me to understand, because i don't know all those sanskrit terms. I just need to keep studying so i can keep up! haha ...I'll try to let you all know how i like the book when it arrives Cool, Lakshman joo is great. Singh is a scholar but he is also a practitioner, although you wont get much commentary in his works. He just endeavors to provide the most acurate Interpretations he can. If I remember rightly he is or was friends with my teacher, and they and Lakshman joo studied similar places... hmm or was Singh one of Lakshman joo's students? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulises Posted February 29, 2012 my favorite version: gorgeous, juicyly devotional, alive... The Radiance Sutras 112 Tantra Yoga Teachings For Opening to the Divine in Everyday Life A new version of the vijnana bhairava tantra by Lorin Roche http://www.lorinroche.com/radiancesutras/radiance/sutras1992.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric23 Posted February 29, 2012 my favorite version: gorgeous, juicyly devotional, alive... The Radiance Sutras 112 Tantra Yoga Teachings For Opening to the Divine in Everyday Life A new version of the vijnana bhairava tantra by Lorin Roche http://www.lorinroche.com/radiancesutras/radiance/sutras1992.html Thanks for the link. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulises Posted February 29, 2012 You are welcome. Lorin's translation is a labor of love...a sadhana in itself... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted March 1, 2012 "Shaivism is like the mud i love to roll around in" Anamatva That sounds like a stupid thing/conotation to imply, (?) You don't need more books right now, you need more respect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth Ananda Posted March 1, 2012 "Shaivism is like the mud i love to roll around in" Anamatva That sounds like a stupid thing/conotation to imply, (?) You don't need more books right now, you need more respect. Umm, that didn't sound like an Insult to me, am I missing something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted March 1, 2012 Umm, that didn't sound like an Insult to me, am I missing something? You (and some other posters here) could be missing some common sense ? Rolling around in the mud has a close conotation to "rolling around in the gutter"; I shouldn't have to point that out to all the experts on sublime books & gurus or those that seem to want to gobble them up like another choice on a fast food menu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harmonious Emptiness Posted March 1, 2012 You (and some other posters here) could be missing some common sense ? Rolling around in the mud has a close conotation to "rolling around in the gutter"; I shouldn't have to point that out to all the experts on sublime books & gurus or those that seem to want to gobble them up like another choice on a fast food menu. There's something wrong with this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
konchog uma Posted March 1, 2012 "Shaivism is like the mud i love to roll around in" Anamatva That sounds like a stupid thing/conotation to imply, (?) You don't need more books right now, you need more respect. Perhaps its stupid, and perhaps it isn't. You are welcome to interpret my words in any way you wish. I have nothing but the utmost respect for Shaivism, so i don't feel a need to expound or explain to any further extent. I know what i meant. I would point out though that i don't see myself as somehow better than or higher in importance than the many animals of creation that like to roll in mud. When i was a child i loved to play in the mud. Now that I'm all "grown up" i find myself in company that is offended by the idea. ??? Om PrithiviDhatu Bhumideviya (salutations to the dirt, it is the living planetary deity!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
konchog uma Posted March 1, 2012 You (and some other posters here) could be missing some common sense ? Rolling around in the mud has a close conotation to "rolling around in the gutter"; I shouldn't have to point that out to all the experts on sublime books & gurus or those that seem to want to gobble them up like another choice on a fast food menu. You seem angry. I'm sorry, i just like to read. I don't take spirituality or Shaivism as a fast food menu, and i wonder what in the world you are talking about. If i have offended you, please explain how and why, and i will be more careful in the future. Feel free to send me a PM or work out your issues with me in a more appropriate way than idle slander on these forums. There's already enough of that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted March 1, 2012 You seem angry. I'm sorry, i just like to read. I don't take spirituality or Shaivism as a fast food menu, and i wonder what in the world you are talking about. If i have offended you, please explain how and why, and i will be more careful in the future. Feel free to send me a PM or work out your issues with me in a more appropriate way than idle slander on these forums. There's already enough of that. You are not a shrink so give that up... and I'm not either I "just" pointed out what sounded to me like a careless conotation on your part which if I understand you correctly you've now said you will be more careful about in the future which should be enough to clear up the "issue" which was also there in the sense of your "expounding" remarks made about other, loftier or dryer paths in comparison. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
konchog uma Posted March 1, 2012 You are not a shrink so give that up... and I'm not either I "just" pointed out what sounded to me like a careless conotation on your part which if I understand you correctly you've now said you will be more careful about in the future which should be enough to clear up the "issue" which was also there in the sense of your "expounding" remarks made about other, loftier or dryer paths in comparison. I did not claim to be a psychologist, nor does one need to be a practicing shrink in order to apply the principles of psychology to, for example, conflict resolution. There's no need to be so rude, and that rudeness doesn't reflect poorly on me, just you. And my choice of words wasn't careless in the least. It was meant to express my appreciation of Shaivism's earthiness and groundedness. I will take it that the issue is yours since you are the only one offended by my turn of phrase, and i will attempt to be more sensitive when dealing with you in the future. Blessings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creation Posted March 1, 2012 I noticed that the Bihar school has a translation of the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra out (with extensive comentary). Judging by the subtitles, the translation of/commentary on the Saundarya Lahari by the same author is intended as a sister volume. Does anyone have any experience with these? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth Ananda Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) "Shaivism is like the mud i love to roll around in" Anamatva That sounds like a stupid thing/conotation to imply, (?) You don't need more books right now, you need more respect. A Pig can Love rolling around in Mud, and a Philosopher can Love rolling around in Shavism! The key point both statements hang on here is Love. Perhaps you should try rolling around in a sense of humor? Edited March 1, 2012 by Seth Ananda Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted March 1, 2012 A Pig can Love rolling around in Mud, and a Philosopher can Love rolling around in Shavism! The key point both statements hang on here is Love. Perhaps you should try rolling around in a sense of humor? Not a bad try Seth, although the word "Love" is often used for anything from a-z as I'm sure you well know. lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3bob Posted March 1, 2012 I did not claim to be a psychologist, nor does one need to be a practicing shrink in order to apply the principles of psychology to, for example, conflict resolution. There's no need to be so rude, and that rudeness doesn't reflect poorly on me, just you. And my choice of words wasn't careless in the least. It was meant to express my appreciation of Shaivism's earthiness and groundedness. I will take it that the issue is yours since you are the only one offended by my turn of phrase, and i will attempt to be more sensitive when dealing with you in the future. Blessings. Assume nothing, don't be a softy in regards to me, and perhaps consider this as a polite exchange compared to those who can really rip up certain notions... Om Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted March 2, 2012 I noticed that the Bihar school has a translation of the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra out (with extensive comentary). Judging by the subtitles, the translation of/commentary on the Saundarya Lahari by the same author is intended as a sister volume. Does anyone have any experience with these? Bihar school is from swami sivananda's lineage, iinm. Good stuff... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth Ananda Posted March 2, 2012 Not a bad try Seth, although the word "Love" is often used for anything from a-z as I'm sure you well know. lol Yes but he obviously meant this in a good context! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
