Marblehead Posted February 28, 2012 So, yeah, here's one. "Did you replace the idea of "god" with anything? If so, why and what? If not, why?" This Atheist's answer would be: No. Why would I want to replace one illusion with another? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chang Posted February 28, 2012 First class. Thank you OldGreen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zanshin Posted February 29, 2012 I've talked to some atheists who think everything can somehow be explained thru reason and logic and science, I used to sort of resemble them. Yet, the more I learn about science and nature the more I realize how little we really understand and theories and faith and explanations are more about vanity than reality. I think we can feel awe and reverence toward the universe without worshipping anthropomorphic deities. I did come up with something to replace the idea of "god", maybe love, maybe tao, but it's not really a word thing. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan Posted February 29, 2012 I think we can feel awe and reverence toward the universe without worshipping anthropomorphic deities. I did come up with something to replace the idea of "god", maybe love, maybe tao, but it's not really a word thing.   or maybe not even a "thing" thing     Let's go outside and do handstand horse stance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doc benway Posted March 1, 2012 I think that all of spirituality can be boiled down to one question - Who Am I? Theism, atheism, agnosticism.... doesn't really matter. And the drive needed to seriously explore the question can only come from deep inside. It is something that each of us comes to (or not) in our own good time. I don't think we necessarily help others by inducing or challenging them to consider their spirituality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan Posted March 1, 2012 Who am I, what am I, where am I, Why Am I? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted March 1, 2012 I don't think we necessarily help others by inducing or challenging them to consider their spirituality. Â While I do agree with this I will suggest that there really is nothing wrong with trying to get others to question themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted March 1, 2012 Why Am I? That is one of those questions where the best answer is: "I don't know." Â (If you ever think you have figured it out let me know, Okay?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Protector Posted March 1, 2012 Atheists already have been thinking too much, that's why they're atheists 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan Posted March 1, 2012 That is one of those questions where the best answer is: "I don't know."  (If you ever think you have figured it out let me know, Okay?)  But of course! It's a contrast of what's going on in the world today, attachments, and Karma. To say it all at once would be of biblical proportions, so i will let you learn your own answer through time and experience (and a generous helping of Philosophy! )  Atheists already have been thinking too much, that's why they're atheists   Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jetsun Posted March 1, 2012 That is one of those questions where the best answer is: "I don't know." Â (If you ever think you have figured it out let me know, Okay?) Â One theory from ancient wisdom is that humanity is the essential conduit between earthly energies and heavenly energies and the universe needs us and requires us to cultivate in order for it to function and grow properly. I have heard said that the human race is the "nerve endings" of the planet and unless enough people cultivate to become more open and sensitive to receive and transmit these energies then the universe may become lifeless, so we exist to serve this higher purpose. Â I don't know this for a fact, but I do intuit a purpose of some sort. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted March 1, 2012 One theory from ancient wisdom is that humanity is the essential conduit between earthly energies and heavenly energies and the universe needs us and requires us to cultivate in order for it to function and grow properly. I have heard said that the human race is the "nerve endings" of the planet and unless enough people cultivate to become more open and sensitive to receive and transmit these energies then the universe may become lifeless, so we exist to serve this higher purpose. Â I don't know this for a fact, but I do intuit a purpose of some sort. Nice perspective. As a Taoist I would say that we are one of many expressions of Tao. Â But I am playing the role of Atheist here so I would wonder why anyone would want me to think upon why I do not believe in any supernatural essences. Doing so would only add to the complexity of living, I would think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) Powerful quotes, Vmarco. Â But I think it is important to differentiate between the angry Atheists and the logical Atheists. The anger against gods and religions is just another attachment and a limiter against one living their life to its fullest potential. Edited March 1, 2012 by Marblehead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Birch Posted March 1, 2012 I agree Mr MH. I reckon if you're (no-one in particular) going to get angry about religions, might as well get angry at the people who are doing and perpetuating awful stuff in the name of them because as far as I know, the stuff is propagated by people. But if those same people are not doing anything terrible in particular? Why concern oneself with their beliefs? I think I'm missing something? Getting angry at an idea, sure, sounds nice. Totally pointless. Â Bearing in mind I'm opening a door for the same to be said of many other ideas. Â ----opinion alert--- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doc benway Posted March 1, 2012 While I do agree with this I will suggest that there really is nothing wrong with trying to get others to question themselves. My concern is that not everyone is prepared to take a deep look at themselves. For some it can be hazardous. For others it can be very disruptive. I don't think it's my place to lead others in that direction unless there is some evidence of complicity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted March 1, 2012 My concern is that not everyone is prepared to take a deep look at themselves. For some it can be hazardous. For others it can be very disruptive. I don't think it's my place to lead others in that direction unless there is some evidence of complicity. Totally agree. This is something that I think requires wisdon. caring, and compassion. Afterall, if a person feels they are happy why try to change them? No need, I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Protector Posted March 1, 2012 Hey I got one, if God doesn't exist, then why do you keep going on and on about him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Birch Posted March 2, 2012 Hey I got one, if God doesn't exist, then why do you keep going on and on about him? Good one Mr Sin! Hey, this Logic-thing, it works, sometimes:-) Â I couldn't, er, be an atheist if there was no God. Hahahahaha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted March 2, 2012 Atheists already have been thinking too much, that's why they're atheists  That's true, although their thinking hasn't been totally correct. Anyone who has studied logic knows that it's impossible to prove God doesn't exist. To make the leap of faith from agnostic to atheist, is in my opinion, incredibly arrogant and hypocritical.  But to take a step back and just say, "I don't know" would be very admirable.  As for those of us who do know: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites