Right Wing War Against LGBT's

[konchog uma]

macklemore and ryan lewis feat mary lambert

same love

[ralis]

I looked into the studies that White Wolf posted earlier in this thread and others that propagate anti-gay stereotypes. The vast majority are over a decade old and have been discredited and disproven, of the recent ones listed, I couldn't find any that directly related to homosexuality, but rather dangerous sex acts period. Just a bunch of hysteria and hate mongering. I can't believe Taobums is allowing this kind of pandering and hate mongering to exist. That post should, at the very least be noted for what it is, rather than allow it to cater to the homophobes that want to spread their hate and fear to others.

 

Aaron

The 'Family Research Council' that WWROA links to has been determined to be a hate group by The Southern Poverty Law Center.

[eye_of_the_storm]

Here is that list again for those interested... I would like you to disprove what I have posted Aaron with reputable sources.

I may change my mind but at present you and your crew haven't provided anything (other than insults) to say otherwise.

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1. Bill Roundy, "STD Rates on the Rise," New York Blade News, December 15, 2000, p. 1.

2. "Increases in Unsafe Sex and Rectal Gonorrhea among Men Who Have Sex with Men--San Francisco, California, 1994-1997," Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), January 29, 1999, p. 45.

3. Ibid.

4. Ulysses Torassa, "Some With HIV Aren't Disclosing Before Sex; UCSF Researcher's 1,397-person Study Presented During aids Conference," The San Francisco Examiner (July 15, 2000).

5. Jon Garbo, "Gay and Bi Men Less Likely to Disclose They Have HIV," GayHealth News (July 18, 2000). Available at: www.gayhealth.com/templates/0/news?record=136.

6. Ibid.

7. Jon Garbo, "Risky Sex Common Among Gay Club and Bar Goers," GayHealth News (January 3, 2001). Available at: www.gayhealth.com/templates/97863827496203.../ index.html?record=35.

8. "Bisexuals Serve as 'Bridge' Infecting Women With HIV," Reuters News Service (July 30, 2000). Available at: www.mb.com/ph/scty/2000%2D07/sc073004.asp.

9. A. P. Bell and M. S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), pp. 308, 9; see alsoBell, Weinberg and Hammersmith, Sexual Preference (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1981).

10. Paul Van de Ven et al., "A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354. Dr. Paul Van de Ven reiterated these results in a private conversation with Dr. Robert Gagnon on September 7, 2000.

11. "Survey Finds 40 percent of Gay Men Have Had More Than 40 Sex Partners," Lambda Report, January/February 1998, p. 20.

12. M. Pollak, "Male Homosexuality," in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, edited by P. Aries and A. Bejin, pp. 40-61, cited by Joseph Nicolosi in Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality (Northvale, New Jersey: Jason Aronson Inc., 1991), pp. 124, 25.

13. David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop (Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey: Prentice-Hall, 1984), pp. 252, 3.

14. M. Saghir and E. Robins, Male and Female Homosexuality (Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1973), p. 225; L.A. Peplau and H. Amaro, "Understanding Lesbian Relationships," in Homosexuality: Social, Psychological, and Biological Issues, edited byJ. Weinrich and W. Paul (Beverly Hills: Sage, 1982).

15. A.P.M. Coxon et al., "Sex Role Separation in Diaries of Homosexual Men," AIDS, July 1993, pp. 877-882.

16. G. J. Hart et al., "Risk Behaviour, Anti-HIV and Anti-Hepatitis B Core Prevalence in Clinic and Non-clinic Samples of Gay Men in England, 1991-1992," AIDS, July 1993, pp. 863-869, cited in "Homosexual Marriage: The Next Demand," Position Analysis paper by Colorado for Family Values, May 1994.

17. Bill Roundy, "STDs Up Among Gay Men: CDC Says Rise is Due to HIV Misperceptions," The Washington Blade (December 8, 2000). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/a.

18. Richard A. Zmuda, "Rising Rates of Anal Cancer for Gay Men," Cancer News (August 17, 2000). Available at: cancerlinksusa.com/cancernews_sm/Aug2000 /081700analcancer.

19. "Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer," The Washington Blade (June 2, 2000). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/000602hm.

20. Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) September 4, 1998, p. 708.

21. "Viral Hepatitus B--Frequently Asked Questions," National Center for Infectious Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)September 29, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/faqb.

22. "Hepatitus C: Epidemiology: Transmission Modes" Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) 1998.Available at: www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis /c/edu/1/default.htm.

23. "Gonorrhea," Division of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (Centers For Disease Control and Prevention) September, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/ Fact_Sheets/FactsGonorrhea.htm.

24. "Increases in Unsafe Sex and Rectal Gonorrhea."

25. Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) January 29, 1999, p. 48.

26. J. Vincelette et al., "Predicators of Chlamydial Infection and Gonorrhea among Patients Seen by Private Practitioners," Canadian Medical Association Journal 144 (1995): 713-721.

27. SPR Jebakumar et al., "Value of Screeningfor Oropharyngeal Chlamydia Trachomatis Infection," Journal of Clinical Pathology 48 (1995): 658-661.

28. "Some Facts about Syphilis," Division of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)October 1999. Available at: www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/ Fact_Sheets/Syphilis_Facts.

29. "Syphilis Elimination: History in the Making," Division of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)October 1999. Available at: www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/Fact_Sheets/Syphilis_Facts.

30. C. M. Hutchinson et al., "Characteristics of Patients with Syphilis Attending Baltimore STD Clinics," Archives of Internal Medicine 151 (1991): 511-516.

31. "Syphilis Elimination."

32. Homosexual advocates object to the use of this term (Gay Bowel Syndrome), which they say unfairly stigmatizes homosexual behavior. Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality (Austin: The Medical Institute for Sexual Health, 1999), p. 55.

33. "STD Treatment Guidelines: Proctitis, Proctocolitis, and Enteritis," (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) 1993. Available at: /www.ama-assn.org/special/std /treatmnt/guide/stdg3470.htm.

34. Jack Morin, Anal Pleasure and Health: A Guide for Men and Women (San Francisco: Down There Press, 1998), p. 220.

35. Health Implications, p. 56.

36. "STD Treatment Guidelines."

37. Health Implications; See Morin, Anal Pleasure and Health, p. 220, 1.

38. Health Implications.

39. "Table 9. Male Adult/Adolescent AIDS Cases by Exposure Category and Race/Ethnicity, Reported through December 1999, United States," Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention: available at: www/cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1102/table9.

40. "HIV/AIDS Among US Women: Minority and Young Women at Continuing Risk," Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/women.

41. Ibid.

42. "Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer."

43. "Young People at Risk: HIV/AIDS among America's Youth," Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/youth.htm.

44. Ibid.

45. Ibid.

46. "Need for Sustained HIV Prevention Among Men who Have Sex with Men," Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/msm.

47. "Resurgent Bacterial Sexually Transmitted Disease among Men Who Have Sex with Men--King County, Washington, 1997-1999," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report: Centers for Disease Control, September 10, 1999, pp. 773-777. Available at: www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ mm4835a1.

48. "Need for Sustained HIV Prevention."

49. Bob Roehr, "Anal Cancer and You," Between the Lines News (November 16, 2000). Available at: www.pridesource.com/cgi-bin/article?article=3835560.

50. "Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer."

51. Rhonda Smith, "HPV Can be Transmitted between Women," The Washington Blade (December 4, 1998). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/9901011h.

52. Ibid.

53. Katherine Fethers et al., "Sexually Transmitted Infections and Risk Behaviors in Women Who Have Sex with Women," Sexually Transmitted Infections 76 (2000):348.

54. Ibid., p. 347.

55. V. Gonzales, et al., "Sexual and Drug-Use Risk Factors for hiv and STDs: A Comparison of Women with and without Bisexual Experiences," American Journal of Public Health 89 (December 1999): 1846.

56. Ibid.

57. "Bisexuals Serve as 'Bridge' Infecting Women with HIV," Reuters News Service (July 30, 2000).

58. Ibid.

59. "Sexually Transmitted Infections," p. 347.

60. Ibid.

61. Rhonda Smith, "Childbirth Linked with Smaller Breast Tumor Size," The Washington Blade (December 17, 1999). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/000114lh.

62. "HPV can be Transmitted between Women."

63. Katherine Fethers et al., "Sexually Transmitted Infections and Risk Behaviors in Women Who Have Sex with Women," Sexually Transmitted Infections, July 2000, p. 345.

64. Joanne Hall, "Lesbians Recovering from Alcoholic Problems: An Ethnographic Study of Health Care Expectations," Nursing Research 43 (1994): 238-244.

65. Peter Freiberg, "Study: Alcohol Use More Prevelent for Lesbians," The Washington Blade, January 12, 2001, p. 21.

66. Ibid.

67. Karen Paige Erickson, Karen F. Trocki, "Sex, Alcohol and Sexually Transmitted Diseases: A National Survey," Family Planning Perspectives 26 (December 1994): 261.

68. Ibid.

69. Lettie L. Lockhart et al., "Letting out the Secret: Violence in Lesbian Relationships," Journal of Interpersonal Violence 9 (December 1994): 469-492.

70. Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, "Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications," Journal of Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41-59.

71. D. Island and P. Letellier, Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence (New York: Haworth Press, 1991), p. 14.

72. "Violence Between Intimates," Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings, November 1994, p. 2.

73. Health Implications, p. 79.

74. J. Bradford, et al., "National Lesbian Health Care Survey: Implications for Mental Health Care," Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 62 (1994): 239, cited in Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality, p. 81.

75. R. Herrell, et al., "A Co-Twin Study in Adult Men," Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 867-874.

76. D. Fergusson, et al., "Is Sexual Orientation Related to Mental Health Problems and Suicidality in Young People?" Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (October 1999), p. 876-884.

77. Ibid.

78. Robert S. Hogg et al., "Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidemiology 26 (1997): 657.

79. Quoted in Gabriel Rotello, Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay Men (New York: Penguin Books, 1997), p. 286.

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[Harmonious Emptiness]

So maybe of all the people having promiscuous unprotected sex, gay people make up a large percentage. But why should this be such a surprise and an issue?

 

In the 70's, women realized they were free to do what they wanted to do sexually and did so until they got used to it and reverted back to more moderate sexual behaviour. Of course, men were happy to join them in their discovery and there was lots of promiscuity and subsequent STDs. Maybe, instead of hippies and disco kids, it's gays in this situation.

 

When the revolutionary wave calms down, the side effects of radical change will subside as well.

 

Shit, it's not like straight people don't sometimes have sex in bathroom stalls and do weird shit to each other in the privacy of their own homes too. Actually it's the sexually repressed who are most prone to the weirdest shit as they can't express their sexuality in normal ways so they suppress it and then succumb to gawd awful shit in secret, or at the expense of someone who they have authority over and won't or can't tell on them. Then of course they try to cover this up by taking up the cause against perversity and we end up with the people at the top of the fight coming down as offenders.

 

People being comfortable with sex is very important. It's when people are ashamed of sex that it gets short-circuited and bad shit happens. I think that perversity whether in a straight or gay couple is a sign that something is a bit unhealthy from the holistic standpoint on rampant desires, but people are way to closed about sex and sexuality.

 

As Taoists, the effects of over-suppression and over-laxity are especially well known.

Edited February 10, 2013 by Harmonious Emptiness

[eye_of_the_storm]

A few good points here ^

However I disagree with Freudian psychobabble.

I would really like to know of anyone here who advocates / supports / believes in Freudian psychology...

Edited February 10, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air

[Birch]

Freud started out as a neuroscientist then went towards psychoanalysis as a clinical practice. His ideas were interesting (although most do not bear up to empirical scrutiny). AFAIK he was one of the first western psychologists to attempt to describe early childhood development. His concept of 'libido' could be taken to be closer to 'kundalini' than 'sexuality' as such. I believe Jung did a better job with that although IMO he squandered the opportunity by insisting on his own translations of concepts that were already clearly described (e.g. Shiva/Shakti sort of ended up as Anima/Animus).

 

For people who are interested in human sexuality beyond the stuff posted by WWROA, I heartily recommend http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Dawn-Stray-Modern-Relationships/dp/0061707813

 

For Taoists, the origin of marriage is attributed to Fu Xi.

 

[Harmonious Emptiness]

A few good points here ^

 

However I disagree with Freudian psychobabble.

 

I would really like to know of anyone here who advocates / supports / believes in Freudian psychology...

 

Actually I've read no more than a couple chapter of Freud. What I said there about perversion was based on the studies of Alice Miller, who dealt with many many patients and discovered this to be true upon conducting research.

 

Then you have examples like child abuse by priests and monks of various religions. Then you have the looooong list of Republican party representatives who were charged with sex crimes, mostly against children, while the Republicans are usually expected to stand up against "perversity" and sexual liberties. This is not based on theory but real life research and examples.

Edited February 10, 2013 by Harmonious Emptiness

[eye_of_the_storm]

Edited February 10, 2013 by White Wolf Running On Air

[gatito]

^^^

 

If I were you - I'd walk away from this now my friend

[gatito]

Benevolent indifference

[eye_of_the_storm]

hahaha....



I was ready to give it up.... long ago.... ah well

[gatito]

You are wise - I think

[gatito]

Does the Wolf not hear the call of the Wild?

[eye_of_the_storm]

Ah... you are right my friend.

Ok THAT IS THAT.

[Harmonious Emptiness]

Nothing to do with countries, only to do with the overly suppressive dogma that all of these people hold as "right" which of course they can't live up to, and so not being connected to their nature in a healthy way, it expresses itself in an unhealthy way.

 

Fact of the matter is that homosexuality is not the evil. Unrealistic suppression is what leads to real problems.

 

What do you or I care if someone wants to eat hot dogs with soy sauce. It might seem weird to us, but who cares? Other people's taste is of no consequence to us so long as it's not violent.

Edited February 10, 2013 by Harmonious Emptiness

[Protector]

TOO LONG, DIDN'T READ

 

HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A CHOICE BUT SOMETHING YOU'RE BORN WITH

 

THERE IS NOTHING TO ARGUE ABOUT, JUST TO UNDERSTAND

 

AND UNDERSTANDING MAKES PEOPLE GOOD PEOPLE AGAIN

 

ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER

 

http://zenpencils.com/comic/73-mark-twain-an-educational-journey/

[gatito]

Everyone is "good people" my friend

[ralis]

William Shatner comments on bigotry as seem on Reddit. His comments apply to this.

 

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022345839

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

White Wolf Running on Air:


Your sources prove little more to me than that people stopped caring about safe sex and homosexuality in the year 2000...


edit: typo s topped < stopped

Edited February 10, 2013 by Northern Avid Judo Ant

[Birch]

William Shatner comments on bigotry as seem on Reddit. His comments apply to this.

 

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022345839

Seems that the issue is not restricted to any specific website or comments section. I guess it depends on whether the/us TTB's wish to make an effort to discuss things with the people posting the offending stuff or whether the/we'd rather 'see no evil' and enjoy a forum where we don't have to deal with such things because they are banned. I dunno why but my gut is telling me that some of the guys on here doing this are doing it to get a rise and for 'fun'. I hope you're really enjoying it because you're boring the hell out of me.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

i have to agree with -K- in those last two sentences.

This is truly a Non-issue that uninvolved folks seem to be putting up immaginary obstacles, just to stir the flames a little.

[konchog uma]

as time goes on it becomes more and more a non-issue... something ridiculous that our parents and grandparents were neurotically fascinated with.

 

but in many parts of the world (africa) its still an issue with a capital i. i mean you can't be out, you'll get hurt or die.

 

so while i agree with you HNJT from an american perspective, from a global one i think it still merits healthy discussion.

 

@WWROA Homosexuality has been observed in hundreds of species of animals.. last i looked, over 500. We're probably all bisexual on a deep level. Maybe if gay people didn't feel so ostracized by society they wouldn't act out in dangerous ways? who knows.. i know if i had been accepted by my parents and society for who i was as a youth, i wouldn't have done half the stupid and destructive things i've done. But thats basically speculation, take it or leave it. In the end bigotry is bigotry, and segregation is a form of hate and a supremacist play. Gay people deserve rights and respect regardless of the problems inherent in their lifestyle or sexuality. Your litany of complaints has no real point except to reflect on your own character.

[Birch]

I want to add that human rights are not 'deserved', nor are they earned, you just have them by virtue of being human. You don't have to do anything.

 

In practice, things are different depending on where you live http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_States#Sexual_orientation

 

This is why (to me) it's important to not lose sight of the issues, get complacent...

 

The UN suggests the following http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml

[konchog uma]

yes human rights are inherent, thank you for clarifying.

 

i did not mean to imply that they were a privilege by using the word "deserve".

[林愛偉]

straight or gay, its still the individual's problem in the end... ( no pun intended...hahahaha)