Time Traveling

[Friend]

As the topic title says,

 

this one is a very facinating topic since I have no idea . I sat there and asked me

"Have you ever heard of a chinese or other asian time traveller?" and

"Are there concept in Taoism about time?"

As many thought were thought even in the past,

"Have those ancient sages reflected on the possibility of Time traveling?"

 

I heard of inciddents and storied of the west so let the story about them out as well the philosphy from the west to reduce sidetracking. Indian and other asian views are also welcomed.

[Protector]

hmm, when thinking time travel, a very British sounding alien comes to mind

[Mokona]

As the topic title says,

 

this one is a very facinating topic since I have no idea . I sat there and asked me

"Have you ever heard of a chinese or other asian time traveller?" and

"Are there concept in Taoism about time?"

As many thought were thought even in the past,

"Have those ancient sages reflected on the possibility of Time traveling?"

 

I heard of inciddents and storied of the west so let the story about them out as well the philosphy from the west to reduce sidetracking. Indian and other asian views are also welcomed.

 

You could try this link:

 

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://tsubasa.wikia.com/wiki/Y%25C5%25ABko_Ichihara&sa=U&ei=Kk2PT8fFKsGOgwfKr72tDg&ved=0CBAQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNF3RzpWiHYMKlu5fCKi6zz0eWX8iw

[三江源]

Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology

From The Anti-Gravity Handbook

 

by D. Hatcher Childress

 

Many researchers into the UFO enigma tend to overlook a very important

fact. While it assumed that most flying saucers are of alien, or perhaps

Governmental Military origin, another possible origin of UFOs is ancient

India and Atlantis. What we know about ancient Indian flying vehicles comes

from ancient Indian sources; written texts that have come down to us through

the centuries. There is no doubt that most of these texts are authentic;

many are the well known ancient Indian Epics themselves, and there are

literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been translated into

English yet from the old sanskrit.

The Indian Emperor Ashoka started a "Secret Society of the Nine Unknown

Men": great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue the many

sciences. Ashoka kept their work secret because he was afraid that the

advanced science catalogued by these men, culled from ancient Indian sources,

would be used for the evil purpose of war, which Ashoka was strongly against,

having been converted to Buddhism after defeating a rival army in a bloody

battle. The "Nine Unknown Men" wrote a total of nine books, presumably one

each. Book number was "The Secrets of Gravitation!" This book, known to

historians, but not actually seen by them dealt chiefly with "gravity

control." It is presumably still around somewhere, kept in a secret library

in India, Tibet or elsewhere (perhaps even in North America somewhere). One

can certainly understand Ashoka's reasoning for wanting to keep such

knowledge a secret, assuming it exists.

Ashoka was also aware of devastating wars using such advanced vehicles

and other "futuristic weapons" that had destroyed the ancient Indian "Rama

Empire" several thousand years before. Only a few years ago, the Chinese

discovered some sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the

University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University

said recently that the documents contain directions for building interstellar

spaceships! Their method of propulsion, she said, was "anti- gravitational"

and was based upon a system analogous to that of "laghima," the unknown power

of the ego existing in man's physiological makeup, "a centrifugal force

strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull." According to Hindu

Yogis, it is this "laghima" which enables a person to levitate.

Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, which were called "Astras"

by the text, the ancient Indians could have sent a detachment of men onto any

planet, according to the document, which is thought to be thousands of years

old. The manuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of "antima"; "the

cap of invisibility" and "garima"; "how to become as heavy as a mountain of

lead." Naturally, Indian scientists did not take the texts very seriously,

but then became more positive about the value of them when the Chinese

announced that they were including certain parts of the data for study in

their space program! This was one of the first instances of a government

admitting to be researching anti-gravity.

The manuscripts did not say definitely that interplanetary travel was

ever made but did mention, of all things, a planned trip to the Moon, though

it is not clear whether this trip was actually carried out. However, one of

the great Indian epics,the Ramayana, does have a highly detailed story in it

of a trip to the moon in a Vimana (or "Astra"), and in fact details a battle

on the moon with an "Asvin" (or Atlantean") airship. This is but a small bit

of recent evidence of anti-gravity and aerospace technology used by Indians.

To really understand the technology, we must go much further back in

time. The so-called "Rama Empire" of Northern India and Pakistan developed at

least fifteen thousand years ago on the Indian subcontinent and was a nation

of many large, sophisticated cities, many of which are still to be found in

the deserts of Pakistan, northern, and western India. Rama existed,

apparently, parallel to the Atlantean civilization in the mid- Atlantic Ocean,

and was ruled by "enlightened Priest-Kings" who governed the cities.

The seven greatest capital cities of Rama were known in classical Hindu

texts as "The Seven Rishi Cities." According to ancient Indian texts, the

people had flying machines which were called "Vimanas." The ancient Indian

epic describes a Vimana as a doubledeck, circular aircraft with portholes and

a dome, much as we would imagine a flying saucer. It flew with the "speed of

the wind" and gave forth a"melodious sound." There were at least four

different types of Vimanas; some saucer shaped, others like long cylinders

("cigar shaped airships"). The ancient Indian texts on Vimanas are so

numerous, it would take volumes to relate what they had to say. The ancient

Indians, who manufactured these ships themselves, wrote entire flight manuals

on the control of the various types of Vimanas, many of which are still in

existence, and some have even been translated into English.

The Samara Sutradhara is a scientific treatise dealing with every

possible angle of air travel in a Vimana. There are 230 stanzas dealing with

the construction, take-off, cruising for thousand of miles, normal and forced

landings, and even possible collisions with birds. In 1875, the Vaimanika

Sastra, a fourth century B.C. text written by Bharadvajy the Wise, using even

older texts as his source, was rediscovered in a temple in India. It dealt

with the operation of Vimanas and included information on the steering,

precautions for long flights, protection of the airships from storms and

lightning and how to switch the drive to "solar energy" from a free energy

source which sounds like "anti-gravity." The Vaimanika Sastra (or

Vymaanika-Shaastra) has eight chapters with diagrams, describing three types

of aircraft, including apparatuses that could neither catch on fire nor

break. It also mentions 31 essential parts of these vehicles and 16 materials

from which they are constructed, which absorb light and heat; for which

reason they were considered suitable for the construction of Vimanas.

This document has been translated into English and is available by

writing the publisher: VYMAANIDASHAASTRA AERONAUTICS by Maharishi

Bharadwaaja, translated into English and edited, printed and published by Mr.

G. R.Josyer, Mysore, India, 1979 (sorry, no street address). Mr. Josyer is

the director of the International Academy of Sanskrit Investigation, located

in Mysore. There seems to be no doubt that Vimanas were powered by some sort

of "anti-gravity." Vimanas took off vertically, and were capable of hovering

in the sky, like a modern helicopter or dirigible. Bharadvajy the Wise refers

to no less than 70 authorities and 10 experts of air travel in antiquity.

These sources are now lost. Vimanas were kept in a Vimana Griha, a kind

of hanger, and were sometimes said to be propelled by a yellowish-white

liquid, and sometimes by some sort of mercury compound, though writers seem

confused in this matter. It is most likely that the later writers on Vimanas,

wrote as observers and from earlier texts, and were understandably confused

on the principle of their propulsion. The "yellowish- white liquid" sounds

suspiciously like gasoline, and perhaps Vimanas had a number of different

propulsion sources, including combustion engines and even "pulse-jet"

engines. It is interesting to note, that the Nazis developed the first

practical pulse-jet engines for their V-8 rocket "buzz bombs." Hitler and the

Nazi staff were exceptionally interested in ancient India and Tibet and sent

expeditions to both these places yearly, starting in the 30's, in order to

gather esoteric evidence that they did so, and perhaps it was from these

people that the Nazis gained some of their scientific information!

According to the Dronaparva, part of the Mahabarata, and the Ramayana,

one Vimana described was shaped like a sphere and born along at great speed

on a mighty wind generated by mercury. It moved like a UFO, going up, down,

backwards and forwards as the pilot desired. In another Indian source, the

Samar, Vimanas were "iron machines, well-knit and smooth, with a charge of

mercury that shot out of the back in the form of a roaring flame." Another

work called the Samaranganasutradhara describes how the vehicles were

constructed. It is possible that mercury did have something to do with the

propulsion, or more possibly, with the guidance system. Curiously, Soviet

scientists have discovered what they call "ageold instruments used in

navigating cosmic vehicles" in caves in Turkestan and the Gobi Desert. The

"devices" are hemispherical objects of glass or porcelain, ending in a cone

with a drop of mercury inside.

It is evident that ancient Indians flew around in these vehicles, all

over Asia, to Atlantis presumably; and even, apparently, to South

America.Writing found at Mohenjodaro in Pakistan (presumed to be one of the

"Seven Rishi Cities of the Rama Empire") and still undeciphered, has also

been found in one other place in the world: Easter Island! Writing on Easter

Island, called Rongo-Rongo writing, is also undeciphered, and is uncannily

similar to the Mohenjodaro script. Was Easter Island an air base for the Rama

Empire's Vimana route? (At the Mohenjo- Daro Vimana-drome, as the passenger

walks down the concourse, he hears the sweet, melodic sound of the announcer

over the loudspeaker,"Rama Airways flight number seven for Bali, Easter

Island, Nazca, and Atlantis is now ready for boarding. Passengers please

proceed to gate number..") in Tibet, no small distance, and speaks of the

"fiery chariot" thus: "Bhima flew along in his car, resplendent as the sun

and loud as thunder... The flying chariot shone like a flame in the night sky

of summer ... it swept by like a comet... It was as if two suns were

shining. Then the chariot rose up and all the heaven brightened."

In the Mahavira of Bhavabhuti, a Jain text of the eighth century culled

from older texts and traditions, we read: "An aerial chariot, the Pushpaka,

conveys many people to the capital of Ayodhya. The sky is full of stupendous

flying-machines, dark as night,but picked out by lights with a yellowish

glare." The Vedas, ancient Hindu poems, thought to be the oldest of all the

Indian texts, describe Vimanas of various shapes and sizes: the

"ahnihotravimana" with two engines, the"elephant-vimana" with more engines,

and other types named after the kingfisher, ibis and other animals.

Unfortunately, Vimanas, like most scientific discoveries, were

ultimately used for war. Atlanteans used their flying machines, "Vailixi," a

similar type of aircraft, to literally try and subjugate the world, it would

seem, if Indian texts are to be believed. The Atlanteans, known as "Asvins"

in the Indian writings, were apparently even more advanced technologically

than the Indians, and certainly of a more war-like temperament. Although no

ancient texts on Atlantean Vailixi are known to exist, some information has

come down through esoteric, "occult" sources which describe their flying

machines.

Similar, if not identical to Vimanas, Vailixi were generally "cigar

shaped" and had the capability of manoeuvering underwater as well as in the

atmosphere or even outer space. Other vehicles, like Vimanas, were saucer

shaped, and could apparently also be submerged.According to Eklal Kueshana,

author of "The Ultimate Frontier," in an article he wrote in 1966, Vailixi

were first developed in Atlantis 20,000 years ago, and the most common ones

are "saucer shaped of generally trapezoidal cross- section with three

hemispherical engine pods on the underside." "They use a mechanical

antigravity device driven by engines developing approximately 80,000 horse

power." The Ramayana, Mahabarata and other texts speak of the hideous war

that took place, some ten or twelve thousand years ago between Atlantis and

Rama using weapons of destruction that could not be imagined by readers until

the second half of this century.

The ancient Mahabharata, one of the sources on Vimanas, goes on to tell

the awesome destructiveness of the war: "...(the weapon was) a single

projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent

column of smoke and flame as bright as the thousand suns rose in all its

splendour... An iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which

reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.... the

corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. The hair and nails fell out;

pottery broke without apparent cause, and the birds turned white.... after a

few hours all foodstuffs were infected.... to escape from this fire, the

soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their

equipment..." It would seem that the Mahabharata is describing an atomic war!

References like this one are not isolated; but battles, using a fantastic

array of weapons and aerial vehicles are common in all the epic Indian books.

One even describes a Vimana-Vailix battle on the Moon! The above section very

accurately describes what an atomic explosion would look like and the effects

of the radioactivity on the population. Jumping into water is the only

respite.

When the Rishi City of Mohenjodaro was excavated by archaeologists in the

last century, they found skeletons just lying in the streets, some of them

holding hands, as if some great doom had suddenly overtaken them. These

skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on a par with those found

at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Ancient cities whose brick and stonewalls have

literally been vitrified, that is-fused together, can be found in India,

Ireland, Scotland, France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical

explanation for the vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an

atomic blast.

Futhermore, at Mohenjo-Daro, a well planned city laid on a grid, with a

plumbing system superior to those used in Pakistan and India today, the

streets were littered with "black lumps of glass." These globs of glass were

discovered to be clay pots that had melted under intense heat! With the

cataclysmic sinking of Atlantis and the wiping out of Rama with atomic

weapons, the world collapsed into a "stone age" of sorts, and modern history

picks up a few thousand years later Yet, it would seem that not all the

Vimanas and Vailixi of Rama and Atlantis were gone. Built to last for

thousands of years, many of them would still be in use, as evidenced by

Ashoka's "Nine Unknown Men" and the Lhasa manuscript.

That secret societies or "Brotherhoods" of exceptional, "enlightened"

human beings would have preserved these inventions and the knowledge of

science, history, etc., does not seem surprising. Many well known historical

personages including Jesus, Buddah, Lao Tzu, Confucious, Krishna, Zoroaster,

Mahavira, Quetzalcoatl, Akhenaton, Moses, and more recent inventors and of

course many other people who will probably remain anonymous, were probably

members of such a secret organization. It is interesting to note that when

Alexander the Great invaded India more than two thousand years ago, his

historians chronicled that at one point they were attacked by "flying,fiery

shields" that dove at his army and frightened the cavalry. These "flying

saucers" did not use any atomic bombs or beam weapons on Alexander's army

however, perhaps out of benevolence, and Alexander went on to conquer India.

It has been suggested by many writers that these "Brotherhoods" keep some of

their Vimanas and Vailixi in secret caverns in Tibet or some other place is

Central Asia, and the Lop Nor Desert in western China is known to be the

centre of a great UFO mystery. Perhaps it is here that many of the airships

are still kept, in underground bases much as the Americans, British and

Soviets have built around the world in the past few decades. Still, not all

UFO activity can be accounted for by old Vimanas making trips to the Moon for

some reason.

Undoubtedly, some are from the Military Governments of the world, and

possibly even from other planets. Of course, many UFO sightings are "swamp,

gas, clouds, hoaxes, and hallucinations, while there is considerable evidence

that many UFO sightings, especially "kidnappings" and the like, are the

result of what is generally called "telepathic hypnosis."

One common thread that often runs between "Alien kidnappings," "sex with

aliens," and other "close encounters of a third kind" is a buzzing in the

ears just before the encounter. According to many well informed people, this

is a sure sign of telepathic hypnosis.

[Friend]

[Protector]

I don't know, there are too many episodes and stuff is getting confusing in there

[三江源]

Friend yes, heh heh.

 

I saw this and wanted to put it in your thread for you to read.I felt it was relevant. but how? still pondering how to put this into words. I have a sense of it. I thought you might too.

.... it's a gestalt glimpsing.

 

Two very good books I read by Tarthang Tulku "Time, Space and Knowledge" and "Dynamics of Time and Space."

 

 

About the essential illusion of time. In which case.. what is there to 'travel' in time travel. If the ancients wrote flight manuals... If we can have precognition...

 

What is it that prompts you to ask about 'time travel'.. is it a sense of fractal time, or a sense of time not being what you thought it was?

 

[Thunder_Gooch]

This is probably a hoax, but I find the information he posts interesting.

 

Especially about the fusion of electrical and gravitational energy being the key to time travel

 

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread62075/pg1

 

John Titor On The Time Machine.

 

02 November 2000 01:00

 

I saw the posting requesting the basic systems for a gravity distortion system that will allow time travel. Here they are:

1 Magnetic housing units for dual microsignularities.

2 Electron injection manifold to alter mass and gravity of microsingularities.

3 Cooling and x-ray venting system

4 Gravity sensors (VGL system)

5 Main clocks (4 cesium units)

6 Main computer units (3)

 

05 November 2000 03:29

 

Questions for timetravel_0 with permission to post.

Pamela: by the way can you tell me what it feels like to time travel? when you are in the process of doing it what does it feel like and what do you see and hear. you made mention that you had to get use to the fields. Do you see a bright flash of light?

Timetravel_0: Interesting first question. The unit has a ramp up time after the destination coordinates are fed into the computers. An audible alarm and a small light start a short countdown at which point you should be secured in a seat. The gravity field generated by the unit overtakes you very quickly. You feel a tug toward the unit similar to rising quickly in an elevator and it continues to rise based on the power setting the unit is working under. At 100% power, the constant pull of gravity can be as high as 2 Gs or more depending on how close you are to the unit. There are no serious side effects but I try to avoid eating before a flight. No bright flash of light is seen. Outside, the vehicle appears to accelerate as the light is bent around it. We have to wear sunglasses or close our eyes as this happens due to a short burst of ultraviolet radiation. Personally I think it looks like your driving under a rainbow. After that, it appears to fade to black and remains totally black until the unit is turned off. We are advised to keep the windows closed as a great deal of heat builds up outside the car. The gravity field also traps a small air pocket around the car that acts as your only O2 supply unless you bring compressed air with you. This pocket will only last for a short period and a carbon sensor tells us when it's too dangerous. The C204 unit is accurate from 50 to 60 years a jump and travels at about 10 years an hour at 100% power. You do hear a slight hum as the unit operates and when the power changes or the unit turns off. There is a great deal of electrical crackling noise from static electricity.

 

05 November 2000 03:29

 

Pamela: 7.are you able to control where you go or is it random?

Timetravel_0: Yes, it can be controlled. However, the distortion unit has operational limits. Imagine your path through time is through a cone. The farther away from the center of the cone, the more differences you will see in the world line. The C204 begins to "break away" at about 60 years. This means the level of confidence drops rapidly after 60 years of travel and the world line divergence increases. In other words, if I wanted to go back 2000 years and meet Christ, there is a better than average chance I would end up on a world line where he was never born. The computer units and gravity sensors "record" your trip and you are quite easily able to return to your point of origin. I am aware that research is being done on faster units with more accurate clocks. I imagine that they will be able to go back farther with a higher degree of divergence confidence.

 

05 November 2000 03:29

 

Pamela: 9.Are you able to go back to your own world line?

Timetravel_0: Yes.

 

 

05 November 2000 03:29

 

Pamela: 10.how are you protecting yourself from radiation? it alters DNA if you dont.

Timetravel_0: I'm not sure what radiation you mean. If you mean from the unit, you can see it vents X-rays and Gamma radiation out of the rear. As long as you stay away from that, you should be okay. I keep a radiation detector with me to check my environment and make sure the unit isn't "leaking".

 

05 November 2000 03:29

 

Pamela: 11.How long would you say that ultraviolet radiation lasts? about 10 seconds? and when you are in that light can you see anything around you or does the light kind of "fill up" everything and that is all you can see at the time?

Timetravel_0: The light bending only lasts a second. Its like driving under a tunnel and being in total black.

 

05 November 2000 03:29

 

Pamela: 12.Do your people know where you are right now? Can you communicate with them? do you have a biological implant?

Timetravel_0: No. They do not know where I am and I can not communicate with them. Interesting idea though. From their point of view, I will return almost exactly at the same moment I left. From their viewpoint, I will only have aged more than expected.

 

05 November 2000 03:29

 

Pamela: 13. after the flash of light is gone are you then in another time? what does it look like as the new time unfolds? Is it just there? or does it slowly come into view? does it fade in and out for a time?

Timetravel_0: While the machine is on. Everything is black. When the machine is turned off, it is the reverse affect. It appears you are driving out from a bridge. To tell you the truth, I'm usually sleeping when the unit turns off but yes...it does appear that the world fades in from black.

 

05 November 2000 03:29

 

Pamela: 14. what happens if the device messes up? Do you end up in space? if it goes offline and shifts ? does a hole open elsewhere?

Timetravel_0: Good question!!! That one almost never comes up. The hard part of traveling through time is not the bending of gravity but the plotting of your course and holding to the basic "position" in your environment. This is done through a system called VGL (variable gravity lock). Basically, the unit takes a reading of the local gravity and samples it during the "trip" in pulses. If the gravity is too far off, the unit stops or reverses itself to the last sample period where the readings were correct. If there is some sort of failure, the unit shuts down and drops out to where ever you may be.

 

05 November 2000 03:29

 

Pamela: 15. what affects are caused on the immediate area where the gravity has been distorted after you leave it and when you arrive? are there permanent effects left on the land such as electromagnetic disturbances in that area?

Timetravel_0: Another good question!!! The only real physical trace is a large chunk of ground missing from the point of origin and a large pile of dirt at the destination. The gravity field surrounds a small portion of the earth under you and takes it along for the ride. There is really no way around this.

 

06 November 2000 16:43

 

Cement block�good question. The hard part of traveling to other world lines is just that. There is a system of clocks and gravity sensors that sample the environment before dropping out. Its called VGL, (variable gravity lock). If a cement block were there, the machine would �backtrack� until it sensed relative congruity to the original gravity sample. A great deal of time and effort goes into picking just the right spot since you can not physically move during a displacement.

 

06 November 2000 22:13

 

Pamela: 1. can you explain to me in detail the basic physics and mathematics behind how the machine operates? and exactly how it distorts gravity.

Timetravel_0: 1) Time travel is achieved by altering gravity. This concept is already proven by atomic clock experiments. The closer an observer is to a gravity source (high mass), the slower time passes for them. Traveling at high speeds mimics this effect which = the twin paradox of faster than light travel. However, this type of gravity manipulation is not sufficient to alter your world line. The basic math to alter world lines exists right now. Tipler first described a working "time machine" through his theory of massive rotating spheres. I apologize for the web site but it was the only one I could find quickly. www.geocities.com... Certain types of black holes also exhibit the "time travel" abilities of Tipler cylinders. Kerr was one of the first to describe the dual event horizons of a rotating black hole. As with Tipler's cylinders, it was possible to travel on a "time-like" trip through a Kerr black hole and end up in a different world line without being squished by the gravity of the singularity. www.physics.fsu.edu... qso.lanl.gov... www.leonllo.freeservers.com... www.astro.ku.dk... (deleted)....................................................... The mass and gravitational field of a microsingularity can then be manipulated by "injecting" electrons onto its surface. By rotating two electric microsigularities at high speed, it is possible to create and modify a local gravity sinusoid that replicates the affects of a Kerr black hole. For those asking how come a microsingularity doesn't swallow the Earth or want to know details about the size, stability, mass, temperature and resulting Hawking radiation from such a thing.. those details I must keep to myself.

 

06 November 2000 22:13

 

Pamela: 2. can you travel to the future as well as the past? my understanding of the machine is the trip is recorded so you can get back to your original time line but what about a future beyond your time line are you able to access it as well? or does it have to be open by a future chrononaunt?

Timetravel_0: Yes, you can travel into the future and it takes less energy than going into the past.

 

06 November 2000 22:13

 

Pamela: 3.I dont see the computer in the device. is it the hand held device on the side of the larger device? If so what kind of power supply does the computer work off of is it the battery as well or some type of crystal?

Timetravel_0: The computer system is connected to the unit through an electrical bus. There are actually three computers linked together that take the same signals from the gravity sensors and clocks. They use a Borda error correcting protocol that checks the integrity of the data and trips the VGL system.

 

07 November 2000 17:18

 

I would equate the "future" GM distortion units to their current jet engines. The first one worked great but they can always make it better. The C204 unit uses 4 cesium clocks. The C206 uses 6 cesium clocks but they use an optical system to check the oscillation frequency. This makes the world line divergance confidence much higher.

 

07 November 2000 22:18

Yes, you could travel to a future that was 0.5 seconds ahead of now but not with my machine. The C204 uses the second as the basic unit of measure. The C206 may be capable of .05 sec.

 

08 November 2000 22:27

 

(5.What kind of car are you going to go back in since you sold the Chevy?)

It's a 1987 4WD. The vehicle needs a strong suspension system to handle the weight of the distortion unit.

 

08 November 2000 22:27

 

(6.Are you able to take people with you in the same car back to your time or another time?)

Yes.

 

11 November 2000 18:46

 

(If you change "vehical" do you have to re-calibrate the unit?)

Yes. But its a function of the VGL system. A gravity baseline is taken and rechecked every thime the unit is used. A new vehicle would alter the gravity signature.

 

11 November 2000 18:46

 

(What kind of coils are used to contain, and maintain the singularity?)

I am not a physicist so I can not answer that to your level of sophistication. The singularities are held in an enclosed magnetic field.

 

11 November 2000 18:46

 

Can your unit also dimensionally travel?)

No. However, the longer the unit is on past a safe divergence confidence, the "stranger" the world line becomes. The unit I have is safe to about 1% for every sixty years at max power.

 

11 November 2000 18:56

 

(If your conveyance is accurate to one second then you must have a reason for picking the particular second or at least particular day or week, you did.)

My goal was to reach a certain date and time which is converted into seconds for the computer to make its calculations. I do not pick the second. Its more important to have a low divergence confidence number

 

11 November 2000 19:11

 

(10 years an hour? from 2036 wouldn't that take three+ hours?? how could you survive with merely the pocket of air you caught in your vehicle's field??)

Yes...that's about right but my initial trip was to 1975, not 2000. I guess its a question of how many technical details you really want or you feel I'm making up. We do take additional 02 and the air pocket is a bit larger than you might think.

 

15 November 2000 14:33

(One last question, Can anybody operate the 204 unit? Or is it safe guarded by a "key of some kind? Thanks for answering. Yes, you would be welcome at my home.)

The unit has two security systems to protect it from "most" people. One, it has a code that must be entered correctly. Second, and probably more effective now, the unit can not be used by anyone who can't add and subtract.

 

20 November 2000 17:16

 

(You sold your 67' when you got here? how do you expect to get back?!)

The unit is portable between vehicles. It is very heavy and requires a "stiff" suspension. The unit is currently in a 4WD.

 

22 November 2000 20:58

 

Pamela: 1.What exactly would an observer see as they saw you arriving in this time? and exactly what would they see as you departed? would you just appear suddenly or slowly? would you look like a heat mirage for awhile? any light effects? or hazy misty shimmering distortion?

Time travel_0- The observation of time travelers "appearing" suddenly in a world line do not happen very often. There are two cases and two points of view to consider. In the first case, the time machine does not move as it goes from one world line to another and then returns. The people watching on the original world line would wave good bye and watch as the machine is turned on. There would be a static discharge and the air would appear to "ripple" as if it were getting denser. Then, it would stop and the machine will have appeared to have gone no where. If the machine doesn't move its position from world line to world line, the observer would not see it disappear at all. In the second case, if the machine is moved, it would disappear from the viewpoint of the observer and return in a different location based on where it was moved and turned on from the destination world line. In that case, the rippling seems to dissolve the machine and it disappears. If that happens while you are watching it leave and you expect it to return, you know it was moved or had a serious malfunction. It is actually quite dangerous to get too close to a distortion unit as it enters or leaves a world line. It vents radiation and has a very strong localized gravity field. Personally, I worry about that a great deal.

 

22 November 2000 20:58

 

Pamela:2.What is the dimension of the field around the car? How many feet out from the car would you say it goes?

Timetravel_0-It can be adjusted to some degree. The CG (center of gravity) is adjustable within about 4 feet and the unit is effective about 10 to 12 feet in either direction from there. The vertical distance is quite a bit shorter and is determined by sensors in the unit.

 

22 November 2000 20:58

 

Pamela:3.approximately in inches how much of the ground is taken with you in one trip?

timetravel_0-Depending on weather or not you are going forward or backward, the footprint of the unit is different. I wouldn't quite say it "scoops" up the ground cleanly. It sort of vibrates it loose and takes it along for the ride. It looks like someone raked the ground an inch or so deep with a small hand hoe or shovel. The negative ergosphere "scoops" up the front and back areas of the field. The positive ergosphere leaves a longer area near the center of mass. Its about a cubic foot of dirt spread out over six square feet or so.

 

22 November 2000 20:58

 

Pamela:4.If they put the device in a house and turned it on what do you think would happen?

Timetravel_0-It might not be as destructive as you think. Depending on how close any object is to the field, it might not do any damage at all except for the floor.

 

22 November 2000 20:58

 

Pamela:5.what would happen to a bird or small animal that ran across the field right when it was producing the field to travel?

Timetravel_0-It would be quickly spread out over the lateral length of the gravity field. Imagine being squished and stretched at the same time. I would imagine anything left after that would be vaporized and generate static electricity.

 

22 November 2000 20:58

 

Pamela:6.how hot would you say the temperature gets on the outside of the car while in operation?

Timetravel_0-Very! hot. Depending on the power setting, 100 to 120 degrees is average.

 

22 November 2000 20:58

 

Pamela:7.is the car in drive mode when the device is activated or is it totally turned off?

Timetravel_0-The car is off and the brake on.

 

22 November 2000 20:58

 

Pamela: 8.has the device been tested on ships and airplanes?

Timetravel_0-Not that I'm aware of. Its important that it remain as still as possible so the gravity sensors can get a good lock. The divergence confidence would be way off if the vehicle was moving.

 

22 November 2000 20:58

 

Pamela:9.do you wear special uniforms when you time travel? what do they look like and does your group have a timetravel emblem or group name?

Timetravel_0-I wear a standard civilian service uniform during instruction and training. Its sort of a cross between an army uniform and overalls. We do have a quarter master who distributes clothing appropriate to where ever we are going. There is a patch. It is round and has a graphic of a Kerr singularity (sort of looks like an eye with gravity waves around it) with two spiral paths running through it's center. One path represents the "safe" way and the other is the path to God. The bottom of the patch has my unit number along with "Temporal Recon" printed on it. However, we remove any identification and patches before we go anywhere.

 

25 November 2000 09:10

 

(What type of senser is number seven?)

That sensor detects various parameters from the singularity.

 

25 November 2000 09:10

(Why are the four atomic clocks not shown?)

There is another page that depicts the computer and clock systems. That technology is not new and not very interesting.

 

25 November 2000 14:03

 

The energy stored in the singularity is used to create the distortion fields. That energy is created in a particle accelerator. I�m not sure what you mean by �temporal turbulence�. What effect would that have that would need to be overcome?

 

25 November 2000 14:03

 

When I leave, I will return to 2036. The computer I have is expected there. I am unaware of any �true� inter-dimensional device available on this world line now. I would image the effects of such a device would be hard to hide.

 

30 December 2000 11:47

 

(�If I go forward on this world line, the future will not be my future. I get home by going back to 1975 before I arrived and then going forward to 2036.") A few people have asked me about this statement so I will try to clarify it. On my worldline (A) in 2036, I was given a mission in 1975. I turn my machine on and jump to another worldline ( in 1975 with about a 2% divergence from (A). From the very point I turn my machine off on (, I create a new worldline just because I�m there. This line can be described as © and started when I got to (. I am now doing my mission on line © in 1975 when I discover a very a good reason to go forward on © and see what happened. I turn my machine on and go forward on © to the year 2000. When I turn it off, I start another line called (D). So from my perspective, here we are on line (D) in the year 2000. In order to go home to line (A) I must turn my machine on and go back on (D) until I reach © which in turn would take me back to ( which in turn takes me to a point before I arrived on ( then I go forward from the point I arrived on ( back to (A).

 

15 January 2001 13:36

 

Thank you for considering the problem of returning home. You seem to have stumbled on an intuitive proof of some of the physics of time travel. You are correct, getting back to the worldline of origin is easier than picking an exact destination on a different worldline.

 

15 January 2001 13:36

 

((The artificial singularity you travel with, you say it forms a local gravity field. Does it physically reduce the size of nearby objects during operation? And if so by how much? ))

Actually, there are 2 singularities in the unit. The gravity field is manipulated by three factors that affect it in distinct ways. Adding electric charge to the singularities increases the diameter of the inner event horizons. Adding mass to the singularities increases the area of gravitational influence around the singularities. Rotating and positioning the polar axis of the singularities affects and alters the gravity sinusoid. The effects of the gravity produced by the unit do not have enough time to significantly alter physical objects within a reasonable distance from the outside of the sinusoid. No, things do not get smaller.

 

15 January 2001 13:36

 

((If the electron injection system alters the shape of the field, would that not force the unit to accelerate through space as well as time?))

There is no relative movement in space due to three main factors. Large, kinetic energy inducing effects of the gravity field are compensated for by the interaction of the singularities. The mass of the unit and any objects inside the sinusoid do not exhibit any huge increases on the departure worldline during travel. The observed path of the traveler is obtained by changing the gravity, not by moving the vehicle. The black hole comes to you.

 

15 January 2001 13:36

 

((The question is define "time"))

To me, time has two definitions. I see time as a mathematical component of a 10 dimensional super universe. It is a variable I use to define my location and existence. I also see time as a metaphysical compromise our senses use to define the area of collective existence God has placed us in. When I can measure and sense time, I know I am not with God.

 

10 January 2001 23:10

 

((You mentioned a divergence from time lines. How is it possible to measure such a divergence?))

The measurement for worldline divergence is an observation variable isolated to the distortion unit. An effective analogy would be a �gravity radar�. The unit�s sensors take a �snapshot� of the local gravity around the unit before a flight. During travel, this baseline is periodically checked to make sure there are no major changes in the environment that would cause a catastrophic mass failure (brick wall appearing from nowhere). The percentage of VGL divergence from one worldline to another is a calculated guess by the three computers that control the unit based on its starting point. It is useless in describing characteristics of individual worldlines.

 

10 January 2001 23:10

 

There is a bit of folklore about the first distortion driver who reaches a destination with a zero divergence. This would mean they had traveled on a spacelike trip to their own worldline of origin. This paradox is quite possible although highly unlikely. I wonder if anyone out there can take current string theory and make that one work on paper?

 

15 January 2001 12:04

 

((�could not a TT (time traveler)basically take whatever they wanted from any time?))

There are mass limits to what can be taken back.

 

26 January 2001 13:32

 

((Is it physically possible for you to get back to THIS time line once you leave?))

Not with the unit I have.

 

26 January 2001 13:32

 

((You said that you traveled back in time from 2036 to 1975 with a ~1-2% divergence. You also mentioned that in your time frame a 0% divergence is sort of a myth, i.e technologically improbable.))

Yes, a �ZD� is thought to be impossible. However, consider that an exact entry point �may� not be necessary to get home. The important factor is the path, not the destination. Under multiple world theory, there are an infinite number of �homes� that I could return to that don�t have me there. The divergence for that window is somewhere near .002377%.

Edited April 19, 2012 by More_Pie_Guy

[Friend]

 

What is it that prompts you to ask about 'time travel'.. ?

 

 

A hunch, sometimes I get into a state where things flow very fast like very fast like watching millions of TV at once unable to fix on one but sometimes it slip and I get from my dive some deeper understanding of teaching, seem they crap or useless or perfect,it would help to improve a certain technique which make me works for hours, days and month to make it mine.

 

So this time it is about something "time travel + asia" and it is something which have relation to practise but I do not know where to begin at what extend since those receivings are like newsletter, the come when they come and they can be open or lost in the spamfilter.

 

The post you did put it simple "as above so below, as inside so outside, as it is on macrocomos so in the microcosmos" So if UFO can use antigravitation and gravitation

to bend the room for time travel. Again I do not understand why it understand Time "Travel in Asia" and not "time travel in western world" as it is already strange things like immortality, enlightment exist and where do this jigsaw piece fit in.

 

It is the first time I do not get access to this one yet again having the feeling the

collective do "know in some kind" and will produce an answer and maybe some nice questions which lead to this answer for many or maybe something else.

[Friend]

Hi Friend. Your question on time travel triggers the recall of a post by Taomeow about traveling forward in time during a meditation session. You're such a good "digger of treasure," that you inspired me to dig in a TTB search. See if there are any good gems in the threads below.

 

Dream Trauma? Psychological significance of dreams

http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/19736-dream-trauma

 

Time- what is it? As if I knew

http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/17546-time-what-is-it

 

Ah I think this is what the saying is "lend me your ear!"

for listening. It is quite interesting as I saw that most topis which appeared at the same time are somewhat connected as this in moment dream, time travel, catastrophe in dream, syncronicity seem to have a link to each and provide an answer - the others topic also have the comments which give a greater picture.

 

Jig saw words are "states" (Small fur, dream life, waking life), "timelines" "free will" "if you want to reverse time you have to expand yourself"(Taomeow)

 

This for Sinfest from Taomeow old post http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/17546-time-what-is-it/page__st__48:

 

"Well... there's all kinds of options, obviously, but I happen to know for a fact how a taoist hermit currently living in the mountains in Wudangshan solves this problem empirically. He licks his bowl clean after meals. The reason is energy conservation I think... carrying water, chopping wood, all that stuff sounds very romantic in taoist poems but as a daily survival chore requires prudent application of effort -- not too little, not too much... Apparently washing the bowl is deemed wasteful of water under the hermit's conditions -- and consequently of vital energy. "

 

So get some new pieces of the Jig Saw together.

 

The thing Taomeow may need to talk about would be appearing in the timeline from someone else. If you not share the world how can you meet? Especially if this person gone thousand of years, all memory is stored when I believe Michael Talbot Holographic universe, one can get access. When things are in fields the access would require an ernoumous ability to tune into this field fuse and if one want to leave to stop a requirement of great selfcontrol, discipline, concentration, awarness

This is the same problem as with enlightment and stopping reincarnation of life.

In all case I assume "one cling to the lifes state that is there" which make time travel,stopping reincarnation and ascending pretty difficult as when it is free will one is there where one want to be.

[Mokona]

Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology

From The Anti-Gravity Handbook

 

by D. Hatcher Childress

 

Many researchers into the UFO enigma tend to overlook a very important

fact. While it assumed that most flying saucers are of alien, or perhaps

Governmental Military origin, another possible origin of UFOs is ancient

India and Atlantis. What we know about ancient Indian flying vehicles comes

from ancient Indian sources; written texts that have come down to us through

the centuries. There is no doubt that most of these texts are authentic;

many are the well known ancient Indian Epics themselves, and there are

literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been translated into

English yet from the old sanskrit

. ..................

Undoubtedly, some are from the Military Governments of the world, and

possibly even from other planets. Of course, many UFO sightings are "swamp,

gas, clouds, hoaxes, and hallucinations, while there is considerable evidence

that many UFO sightings, especially "kidnappings" and the like, are the

result of what is generally called "telepathic hypnosis."

One common thread that often runs between "Alien kidnappings," "sex with

aliens," and other "close encounters of a third kind" is a buzzing in the

ears just before the encounter. According to many well informed people, this

is a sure sign of telepathic hypnosis.

 

 

Very cool, have you tried to verify anything from the article?

[Vmarco]

As the topic title says,

 

this one is a very facinating topic since I have no idea . I sat there and asked me

"Have you ever heard of a chinese or other asian time traveller?" and

"Are there concept in Taoism about time?"

As many thought were thought even in the past,

"Have those ancient sages reflected on the possibility of Time traveling?"

 

 

Lao Tzu and Shakyamuni Buddha understood that time is one thing,...did they only understand that conceptually.

 

Time is like a radio tuner,...there are many "stations", but most are illusory connected to just one,...and weakly at that,...like listening to music through a weak signal. I'm not speaking conceptually,

http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/22766-does-magic-exist/page__st__24__p__325411__hl__fractal%20riding__fromsearch__1entry325411

 

Although likely a hoax, the Incunabula is a good story

http://deoxy.org/inc2.htm

 

The Time Machine they used, which is somewhat illustrated, is as a crutch,...or training wheels,...that once they understood it, they didn't need it anymore,...like a good dowser no longer needs rods.

 

V

Edited April 20, 2012 by Vmarco

[mewtwo]

River song ftw

[astralc]

Fascinating topic, I once had a visit from myself from the future when I was very sick, but I might have been delusional...

[Machin Shin]

I swear that I have seen the Saturn Astra...I have. Who was the marketing genius that named it that?

I had been studying the spiritual connection between Oppenheimer and Bose when I came across one of these. I thought that reality had done a cosmic joke because I was thinking about Astra's and such. Oh look there even is a car named as one.

 

Too many Astra's

 

Astra Astra Everywhere Astra

Astra for everyone everywhere.

[Owledge]

Let me somewhat re-use this thread for a more specific question, since I wondered about the relation of time travel and spirituality, too. Time might be a so-called illusion, but space is, too, and we can travel through space. Can anyone clarify whether it should still be possible to physically travel in time based on the spiritual knowledge/understanding of time?

 

side note:

One common thread that often runs between "Alien kidnappings," "sex with

aliens," and other "close encounters of a third kind" is a buzzing in the

ears just before the encounter. According to many well informed people, this

is a sure sign of telepathic hypnosis.

According to well-informed me, something like that is a common symptom at the beginning of a DMT trip. It is not unlikely that many alien abduction experiences were unintentional psychedelic experiences triggered by the human brain.

[de_paradise]

Its pretty well known that healings or qi can be sent to a certain time for the receiver, or in the future. I remember Santiago was doing group shaktipat or healing where one had to tune in at a certain time, no matter what the time zone. The implication is that the qi follows the time intention.

 

Years ago someone mentioned on a post how he would send healings to the past to deal with issues that came up in the past, while they were still easier to control. I cant remember the details, but he said he sent healing multiple times for some x condition that started in the past for some person. He claimed he had results. I tried this a few times but I don't think I succeeded. Yet I believe in the theory.

 

So a few night ago I was wondering if qi from the past could be sent forward, such as the qi from the time earth was much younger and energy more powerful. (due to watching some HBO show) I was thinking of the age when humans had all sorts of abilities and long life, lived in crystal palaces, etc. The experiment was to play that qi forward to now. What stopped my experiment was the thought, well how can I think that qi would be more pure than the qi now, if it is my thoughts that is moving it.

 

The thing is, experimenting takes alot of time and with no guide one is likely barking up the wrong tree.

[eye_of_the_storm]

Let me somewhat re-use this thread for a more specific question, since I wondered about the relation of time travel and spirituality, too. Time might be a so-called illusion, but space is, too, and we can travel through space. Can anyone clarify whether it should still be possible to physically travel in time based on the spiritual knowledge/understanding of time?

 

side note:

 

According to well-informed me, something like that is a common symptom at the beginning of a DMT trip. It is not unlikely that many alien abduction experiences were unintentional psychedelic experiences triggered by the human brain.

 

Well I assume you have experienced time travel yourself? with your AYA experience? the experience seems forever? but only an hour has passed?

 

Ive heard people who astral project, the further away they get from the earth time seems to stop... from an earth perceptive?

 

or mental space time awareness perception

 

perhaps even a dream seems to go for some time and you wake up and only 1/2 has passed

 

time + level of consciousness

 

I totally believe it would be possible to master time and space / once one masters consciousness

 

the more dense reality the slower time? (vibration)

 

the higher vibration the further time becomes meaningless

 

say 1 hour on earth maybe 100 years (feeling) In realities vibrating at a faster rate then ours

 

when you take aya or like or meditate consciousness is vibrating at a higher level = less time constraints

 

so i assume to time travel physically one would need to become light move into higher realities... choose path from there and then descend / slow your vibration into the time frame space reality of choice

Edited May 13, 2012 by White Wolf Running On Air

[Owledge]

Well I assume you have experienced time travel yourself? with your AYA experience? the experience seems forever? but only an hour has passed?

No, any time distortion was a feeling lasting for real time. Like for example believing that time had stopped, and that feeling lasting for a minute.

It seems, though, as if during one of the trips parts of a future trip bled into that one.

[Owledge]

Okay, how about this:

 

If you travel to the past in order to change unpleasant events, you will change the future, and that future so that you have no reason to travel to the past, so you don't, so unpleasant things happen. Loop. So the idea is self-defeating, and that's why physical time travel is not possible. Whatever happens is the only thing that can happen and is supposed to happen. Physical time travel is an idea based on a misconception about the nature of time.

 

Say you travel to the future in order to see what happens there, for your own benefit maybe (e.g. lottery results). But that future will not be helpful to you, because it is a future where you will have disappeared (due to you leaving for the future). So if you return to your own time with the information gathered, that future will be different, because you life in it now. And even if your presence doesn't have that much influence on events, there's still chaos theory. Imagine now you do another time travel the next day, with the same destination in the future. It will already be a different future, a future based on one day of your presence with knowledge of the future.

 

And if you try to resolve this paradox by proposing the existence of several parallel timelines, then surely you don't suggest that any time travel creates a brand new timeline from the beginning of the universe till its end. So it must have been there in the first place. That would imply that there is an infinite number of timelines, containing all possibilities, and that would kinda result in the spiritual view that physical time travel is a misconception.

 

Our minds came up with the idea of physical time travel because the mind thinks that time is 'there', when instead time is merely a function of the mind, a part of how our perception works.

I imagine the mind being like a reading tool, accessing the pool of information about all of existence and in normal operation scanning forward along the intended timeline only. Outside of normal operation, it can skip back and forward as well as change the reading speed. Maybe the profound experience of utter nothingness is when the reading speed is reduced to zero.

Your whole life flashing before your eyes is another good example: Jump back to birth and then very fast forward. And you will be able to not merely see flashes, pictures, but your actual life, all of it, because the idea that the mind cannot process so much information in such a short time is another illusion. Because this would not be a matter of the mind, but of the observer.

[Owledge]

Here's another good reason:

If time travel was possible, the chance that we'd have encountered time travelers in our time would have been infinitely high. But nope... nobody from the future tried to stop Hitler.

[thelerner]

Here's another good reason:

If time travel was possible, the chance that we'd have encountered time travelers in our time would have been infinitely high. But nope... nobody from the future tried to stop Hitler.

Yet according to another great theory: dinosaurs never existed, they're just a government cover story to keep scientists from traveling too far back in time.

 

 

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