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[Stosh]

Exactly. And likewise for the warrior as well, when possible.

 

Well if todays soldiers and police were much like general Tsun tsu and could plan their own path they could wisely avoid conflict, but todays police and soldiers specifically put themselves in the middle of conflicts with no real expectation of gain, and often suffer greatly the emotional scars of having to surround themselves with violence and cruelty,and indeed commit such acts sometimes.

Evidence of the conflict they have invited is the high rates of suicide and divorce. They can be honored by the public at large for their sacrifices, as too can be -those called to serve by draft notice.. but they did not follow a path of peace,, Just like I did not follow a path to become a politician.

I believe you yourself did some time in the military and so figure that one can come out just fine for it all..reasonably concluded I admit ,since soldiery is first and foremost about obedience and surrendering of ones own responsibility-will,, but statistically you cant say soldiery is an inherently peaceful and compassionate business without really playing fast and loose with the logic.

Just my opinion

Stosh

[Marblehead]

Just my opinion

Stosh

Yes, I was (still am) a career man.

 

Can't argue agains what you have said except:

 

I will never surrender!!!!! (And I didn't while I was in the Army either. Perhaps that is the difference?)

[Stosh]

Yes, I was (still am) a career man.

 

Can't argue agains what you have said except:

 

I will never surrender!!!!! (And I didn't while I was in the Army either. Perhaps that is the difference?)

 

Youve mentioned that never surrendering thing several times so..

You want someting known about yourself on the subject

And my curiositiy is aroused

But I am just not understanding the significance

Please spell it out for me.

Stosh

[Marblehead]

Youve mentioned that never surrendering thing several times so..

You want someting known about yourself on the subject

And my curiositiy is aroused

But I am just not understanding the significance

Please spell it out for me.

Stosh

Hehehe. Now that could be done only with a one-on-one 'real' discussion because every statement I make would have to be questioned. But let me try:

 

I am a believer of the thought that we all have free will and we all have choices in life that only we can make as we go through life.

 

To surrender is to give up your free will and all choices. You claim that you are following the dictates of some other power.

 

However, the truth, in my opinion, is that what we are really doing is eliminating our own responsibility for what happens in our life. Yeah, we have created a scapegoat. "The devil made me do it." and all that cop-out BS.

 

However, never surrendering is not an absolute. An example. When I was active Army I had a mission. Accomplishing the mission was second only to preserving my life. If I were in contact with 'the enemy' and there were three loaded weapons pointed at me and I was out of ammo I for sure would surrender. Afterall, I cannot continue my mission if I am dead. So I surrender with the understanding that I will do everything within my powers to escape and continue the mission.

 

Taking responsibility for our thoughts and actions is a very important concept in my life. If I surrender to a 'higher power' then I no longer have to take responsibility for my thoughts and actions. This is, in my opinion, hypocracy. I told someone recently that I might oftentimes be an ass but I will not be a hypocrite.

 

I think that is a good start. I will remain open for questions or comments.

[Stosh]

I told someone recently that I might oftentimes be an ass but I will not be a hypocrite.

 

I think that is a good start. I will remain open for questions or comments.

 

Ive never read you to be ,being an ass..

but I think we are all entitled to do so

since it is so common

 

Ive heard folks say that true enlightenment is a surrender

that wu wei is a sort of surrender

that accepting the will of god is surrender

 

Would you care to say ,

if you think you will just have to wait for the next lifetime

because it just aint in the cards during this one,

to achieve that high level enlightenment folks seem to want to find?

[Mokona]

[Marblehead]

Ive never read you to be ,being an ass..

but I think we are all entitled to do so

since it is so common

 

Ive heard folks say that true enlightenment is a surrender

that wu wei is a sort of surrender

that accepting the will of god is surrender

 

Would you care to say ,

if you think you will just have to wait for the next lifetime

because it just aint in the cards during this one,

to achieve that high level enlightenment folks seem to want to find?

Hehehe. Please note that I am an Atheist so there is, for me, no god having a will that I need surrender to.

 

No, I do not equate Wu Wei with surrender at all. Not in the least.

 

Another Hehehe. Enlightenment? I'm not searching. I don't even know what it is. I chop wood and carry water. Always have. But then, when I didn't need any wood I left it alone and I did the same with the water.

 

I'm not a Buddhist so I don't get a next lifetime. Oh well. I guess I'll just have to live with this one I have. Reversed Murphy's Law reads that if you continue doing something wrong but differently each time, eventually you will stumble on the right way to do it.

[Enishi]

Here's yet more evidence that pitbulls are inherently monstrous and those who choose to own them lack compassion:

 

'Grieving' dog refused to leave dead dog's side

 

According to Fox's Phoenix affiliate, the female pit bull appeared to have been struck by a car on Friday. The male pit bull stayed by her side for more than 14 hours.

 

"The male pit bull wouldn't leave her, so a nearby business set out food and water," Fox 10 reported. "He stayed with her nuzzling her and lying nearby until the city came to remove her Saturday morning

[thelerner]

Hehehe. Please note that I am an Atheist so there is, for me, no god having a will that I need surrender to.

Hmnn, things to surrender to:

The Universe, cause its big your small.

Circumstance, cause you can't get around it.

The Inevitable, cause you can't get over it.

Your Mother, cause she raised you, loves you,

and wears army boots.

[Marblehead]

Hmnn, things to surrender to:

The Universe, cause its big your small.

Circumstance, cause you can't get around it.

The Inevitable, cause you can't get over it.

Your Mother, cause she raised you, loves you,

and wears army boots.

Hehehe. Loved the last one - haven't heard it for quite some time.

 

The Universe? I am a part of it. I would be surrendering only to myself.

 

Circumstances? Some I can alter. Some I have to accept. Knowing what we can change and what we cannot change is a learned art.

 

The Inevitable? Well, sure, one day I will die. But I don't have to live recklessly in order to hasten that day.

[zerostao]

a couple of days ago i was way out in the woods and met "hank" a pit bull / jack russell mix.

he was the coolest.

as everyone were firing their rifles and guns, and they offered for me to shoot as they had 2000 rounds to fire that day.

but i was content playing around with hank. such a friendly doggie.

[thelerner]

Hehehe. Loved the last one - haven't heard it for quite some time.

 

The Universe? I am a part of it. I would be surrendering only to myself.

 

Circumstances? Some I can alter. Some I have to accept. Knowing what we can change and what we cannot change is a learned art.

 

The Inevitable? Well, sure, one day I will die. But I don't have to live recklessly in order to hasten that day.

I had to throw in the last one cause you're a hard nut to crack.

 

Surrender isn't so bad, half the universe, yin, is the art of surrender.

[Marblehead]

I had to throw in the last one cause you're a hard nut to crack.

 

Surrender isn't so bad, half the universe, yin, is the art of surrender.

Some people just call me a nut.

 

 

Okay, that's not fair, bringing the concept of Yin into the conversation. Yes, Yin is the passive, the place of rest, the Valley Spirit (had to add that), the returning to our roots.

 

But still, I don't consider that surrender - I consider it a returning - a part of the cycle of life.

 

Actually, I have less trouble talking about acceptance than I do with surrender. Both words have negative connotations for me but acceptance is less abrasive.

[theurgy]

Interesting thread. Perhaps the most "viscous" dog (at least to our limited awareness) is this one:

 

 

 

 

 

 

+theurgy+

[Marblehead]

I never got into Egyptian mythology. Is that the god of the underworld?

[Apech]

I never got into Egyptian mythology. Is that the god of the underworld?

 

It is Anubis weighing the heart. In the Egyptian Book of the Dead Chapter 125 the heart = mind, will, character is weighed against ma'at = truth. And there was something called the negative confession where the deceased says he has not done certain things like lie, steal and kill and so on.

 

Anubis is normally considered to be a jackal and not a dog as such ... but the Greeks used to call him 'the Egyptian Dog' and swear by him. By then he was linked closely with Isis who was worshiped throughout the Roman Empire.

[三江源]

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Edited March 22, 2015 by 三江源

[Apech]

Why is he a jackal?

 

And the Cat was worshipped also.

 

What you think the feline/canine thing is about here?

 

There is bird - head god, too isnt there.

 

feline/canine/..........um..........birdine.

 

Anubis is in charge of embalming (mummification) he was said to be 'at the head of the divine hall' which is the embalming tent ... he had seven secret oils with which to do this. The necropolis was in the western desert and one of the animals which inhabited this desert was the jackal. There are other reasons why jackal which are a bit hard to explain ... but this is the overt reason. There is a second jackal god called Wepwawet (or Apuat) who's name means 'Opener of the Ways' ... the task of this god was to find the tomb of Osiris hidden in desert near Abydos. Anubis/Wepwawet is also then a guide in the netherworld ... a psychopomp.

 

The cat goddess is Bastet (sometimes Bast) and there is also the Lioness Sekhmet and Pacht ('she who scratches').

 

What do you mean by a feline/canine thing going on?

 

Lots of bird gods.

 

Hawk = Ra

Falcon = Horus

Ibis = Thoth

 

 

Are you asking ... why all the animal headed gods? That's an interesting one.

[zanshin]

What kind of animal is Set?

[Apech]

What kind of animal is Set?

 

Unkown by Egyptologists ... lots of theories .... he is definitely related to a black pig so it might be an extinct variety of pig ... or an animal like an okapi ... but no one really knows.

[Stosh]

What kind of animal is Set?

Your question made me curious

I checked out a large number of glyphs and statues

The most likely explanation is that Set was a hunting dog like a Saluki

Ears cropped sometimes

face with accentuated curvature

fringed ears and tail

Doglike posture

familial relationship to Anubis

Sometimes spotted

Check out the granite statue at the museum of Cairo from Medinet Habu

There is no mistaking it

Set is clearly a dog, and only in the most stylized confusions

might that not be the expected conclusion.

(from what I have looked at)

Though probably not a "Setter"

Stosh

Edited May 28, 2012 by Stosh

[Apech]

Your question made me curious

I checked out a large number of glyphs and statues

The most likely explanation is that Set was a hunting dog like a Saluki

Ears cropped sometimes

face with accentuated curvature

fringed ears and tail

Doglike posture

familial relationship to Anubis

Sometimes spotted

Check out the granite statue at the museum of Cairo from Medinet Habu

There is no mistaking it

Set is clearly a dog, and only in the most stylized confusions

might that not be the expected conclusion.

(from what I have looked at)

Though probably not a "Setter"

Stosh

 

Do you mean this one?

 

 

 

is there a dog looks like that?

[Stosh]

Do you mean this one?

 

 

is there a dog looks like that?

Looking again , yes that I think is the same statue, badly backlit.

Yes the nose is strongly accentuated and the ears are cropped.

You think it looks like a pig?

Ill see if I can attatch the other pic.

anyway you can see, as on Anubis the tendency is to elongate the snout and ears

on canids far beyound what is really on the animal

Just as the people are elongated, there is no animal I can think of

that has squared off ears naturally ,and Set sometimes has pointy ears

Saluki ears droop and so they probably cropped the ears for hunting,

making the profile unmistakable to an egyptian of the day.

Edited May 28, 2012 by Stosh

[Apech]

No the pink granite one.

But yes the nose is strongly accentuated and the ears are cropped.

You think it looks like a pig?

Ill see if I can attatch the other pic.

http://www.flickr.co...N04/1284628113/

I see I misunderstood the captions though

 

Ok.

 

No I'm sure its not a pig ... but Set is sometimes called a black pig in the texts (e.g. BoD).

 

I think you're theory is good because of link to Anpu etc. but the problem is the square ears, long curved snout and also a forked tail. I was genuinely asking if there was a breed of dog that looks like that... The body when shown is a bit saluki like ... there was a hunting dog in Egypt.

[Stosh]

But anyway, beyond any one picture, I think one needs to look at the trend of the stylization and syncrete all the data , looking at only one glyph you can conclude it was a nonexistent creature, but the rest of the heads all have some counterpart in the fauna of the day, but they all have a degree of stylization and overemphasis so that the glyph could be read. I dont think jackals are ordinarily black, but Anubis is consistently considered a Jackal, at least their backs are black and their faces are pointy.(on black backed jackals)

My theory is good because of the link?

NO

My theory is good because it is the only theory that makes any sense

other than to say one has no idea what the heck Set was supposed to be.

Have a nice rest of the weekend Apech I have stuff I need to get done, nice chatting

Edited May 28, 2012 by Stosh