spiraltao Posted September 8, 2012 Animals learn by natural instinct. Children learn to burn their fingers with fire. It is called the childish play. Practice is a more serious play if you want to call it play. Animals learn by natural instinct. Children learn to burn their fingers with fire. It is called the childish play. Practice is a more serious play if you want to call it play. Your last sentence is closest to what we consider play. Practice is just not ENOUGH to describe the way I do my baguazhang. Their are strict rules to our bagua play! in fact several songs, ;)/\. Play goes beyond practice. Are we not out to rid the ego as daoists? The child playing is pretty much ego free in my opinion. I feel another way to look at this is the practitioner vs. the player, but that is a whole other can of worms so to speak. I hope this helps you understand where I am coming from Chi Dragon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiraltao Posted September 8, 2012 Description of FaJin in Chinese TAI CHI FA JING THEORY Note: Only Tai Ji Practitioners have the Fa Jin ability. No other types of martial arts have this kind of ability. Description of FaJin in Chinese TAI CHI FA JING THEORY Note: Only Tai Ji Practitioners have the Fa Jin ability. No other types of martial arts have this kind of ability. I respectfully disagree with this statement! Please explain why other martial arts DO NOT HAVE IT and what does fa jin get substituted with in arts other than tai ji. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mYTHmAKER Posted September 8, 2012 Play = fun practice = work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nelida Posted September 8, 2012 play= serious fun practice=dedication serious playful dedication ? ∞Nelida Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted September 8, 2012 Description of FaJin in Chinese TAI CHI FA JING THEORY Note: Only Tai Ji Practitioners have the Fa Jin ability. No other types of martial arts have this kind of ability. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shanlung Posted September 8, 2012 Description of FaJin in Chinese TAI CHI FA JING THEORY Note: Only Tai Ji Practitioners have the Fa Jin ability. No other types of martial arts have this kind of ability. Ha ha ha ha! Why do you give a load of stuff that not even a Chinese can make any sense of? I am a Cantonese by the way. That last video was in Cantonese. I do not even think that speaker in Cantonese knew what he was babbling about either. Should I ask my son to write to you for you to explain to him what Fajing is? Something I found I cannot explain. And by the way, have you fajing that you know just what fajing is all about? Or is it those that know, just do it. Those that do not know , talk and talk and talk and talk about it. I cannot even agree with your note Only Tai Ji Practitioners have the Fa Jin ability From all that I have seen from my fellow students and others doing taijichuan. I think at best, one in one hundred might be able to fajing. And perhaps one in a thousand, can fajing at will. It is like chess that I love to play. Millions play chess. One in a ten ousand can be a International Master. And one in 100 thousand a Grand Master. That does not mean that chess is less because you cannot be an IM. For those interested in chess, and my exposure to chess, you might be amused at my being a bouncer and protector of my chess hustler friend. And yes! I had to rescue him a few times Some chess memories, hustler foil, Bali http://shanlung.livejournal.com/104619.html And come to think of it, perhaps one in ten thousand or 100 thousand can fajing at will. Your implication and innuendo that tajiji players all know how to fajing is a joke. Your other note No other types of martial arts have this kind of ability. Others have answered. Hsinyi chuan, pakua chuan , yichuan, liuhebafa chuan all fajing. I started taijichuan with Sunjia , founded by Sun LuTang. He was a Master in Pakua and Hsingyi before he came into Taijichuan. I have travelled widely in China in mid late 1990s. Into remote areas and Taoist grottos in Ching Cheng Shan as well into better known places like Wudang Shan. I can tell you fajing is not done just by taijichuan people. Do try to get out of your well. The world is a bigger and more astounding place then the narrow view you have of things. The truth can be more amazing, and delightful than the fiction you surrounded yourself with. The Idiot on the Path Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) "And by the way, have you fajing that you know just what fajing is all about?" Yes, I can FaJin(發勁) but not Fa Jing(發精).... Edited September 8, 2012 by ChiDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shanlung Posted September 8, 2012 "And by the way, have you fajing that you know just what fajing is all about?" Yes, I can FaJin(發勁) but not Fa Jing(發精).... How wonderful! You should not waste time with an Idiot like me. Go get into the cage of MMA and show them your prowess and make yourself famous and lots of money Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) Money is no object. Edited September 8, 2012 by ChiDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taomeow Posted September 8, 2012 The Idiot on the Path Please don't call yourself that. No one can be an idiot with a master like Tinkerbell. You're Learning to Fly on the Path. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 8, 2012 Please don't call yourself that. No one can be an idiot with a master like Tinkerbell. You're Learning to Fly on the Path. The guy was only try to show a little humbleness within him...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 8, 2012 Fa jin is inherent to all internal martial arts! That is true. However, I was saying is that Tai Ji has more emphasis on Fa Jin than any other martial arts. It does imply that others are not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 8, 2012 I hope this helps you understand where I am coming from Chi Dragon. Yes, I know where you are coming from but please don't ask to explain how do I know.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 8, 2012 Money is no object. I think somebody had mentioned something like martial morality in this thread. Another term for martial morality is the "Virtue of Martial Arts". If the "Virtue of Martial Arts" was understood by any MA practitioner, then one may not think about going into the cage of MMA and show them the prowess and make oneself famous and lots of money...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doc benway Posted September 8, 2012 Yes, I can FaJin(發勁) I call bullshit 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) I call bullshit Why so.....??? Why people get so hostile when someone claim something that you don't have.....??? PS...Words are really bullshit for the expression of speech. If you don't like what I said, I can always retract my statement. PPS...I cannot FaJin...... okay....!!! Edited September 8, 2012 by ChiDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nelida Posted September 8, 2012 The guy was only try to show a little humbleness within him...... I think somebody had mentioned something like martial morality in this thread. Another term for martial morality is the "Virtue of Martial Arts". If the "Virtue of Martial Arts" was understood by any MA practitioner, then one may not think about going into the cage of MMA and show them the prowess and make oneself famous and lots of money...... lol, I mentioned martial morality because of your seeming complete lack of humility, which you seem to be familiar with as a concept after all and I think Shanlung may have been humoring you with this remark, but better to turn it around this way eh ∞Nelida Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 8, 2012 Thanks for the second hand information..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mYTHmAKER Posted September 8, 2012 It seems to me there is some confusion between fajing and farting 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) It seems to me there is some confusion between fajing and farting Does one of us know the difference....??? oops.......... Sorry, I forgot to smile. Edited September 9, 2012 by ChiDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 9, 2012 They're both movements, no? Yes, one is physical force and the other is pneumatic pressure..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) What do you guys think of this? Edited September 9, 2012 by turtle shell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 9, 2012 Everyone talks about practice with the mind and the body. It seems to me that the realm of stillness movement has not been reached by any practitioner. A peace of mind is hard to come by. I guess more effort is needed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiDragon Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) What do you guys think of this? That was FaJin all along. However, it takes one to know one. If one has no knowledge of what Fa Jin is, then one will never know what the video is all about. I don't know what you are asking is about the book or the style....??? Anyway, even though it was called the sneak style. Based on the movements, the way I see it is still a regular basic Tai Ji movement. Edited September 9, 2012 by ChiDragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doc benway Posted September 9, 2012 Why so.....??? Why people get so hostile when someone claim something that you don't have.....??? No hostility. I'm not angry. It's just that I can tell from your posts that you have not developed skill in using FaJin and until you do, you really have no idea what you are talking about. So I called bullshit. You read a lot and maybe practice a little but if you want to learn the real thing, you must find a good teacher and practice much, much more. Your choice... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
