We walk the Way, not to reach the destination

[Everything]

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... is detrimental to any true progress and inquiry...

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If this isn't the case, please narrate to us certain experiences and/or rationality that have given rise to these observations.

Hmm, the direct experience that everything is made up of unconditional love. The experience of being in love with everything around me, as love and being loved by everything. Everything radiating love. Me, becoming unconditional love and loving everything without reason. Just because that is who I am. Which lead to the conclusion that 1+1=1 so I see how I might seem a bit "rebelious" in my ability to choose my own believes, etc.

 

There is no "progress" in the egotistical sense when you live from a place of unconditional love. We are free to be free. Free to be more of who we really are. Not "trying to change" that little which we allow at the moment. Rather, allow yourself to become more of yourself as your true progress.

 

Especially synchronistic experiences that most people call "manifestations" and personality shifts that most people call "multiple personality disorder." I'd say, based on my experience, it was an experience of synchronistic perception, coupled with a multiple personality order, and a re-membering of subconscious parts of all that I am and the multi dimensionality of who I truely am. In a sense, the result of inclusion and not exclusion. The experiences of expansion and not contraction. Also downloads of information from higher sources. I got imaginary friends in high places

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[Everything]

where one's desired fascinations triumph over reality and free fall interpretations become bloated as truths.

yeah, thats a pretty accurate description of my experiences

 

It sounds so "triumphant"

That is really how it fellt at first, as if I had won the battle with my ego. Now I love the ego into being and sooth it into loving.

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[Marblehead]

Now I love the ego into being and sooth it into loving.

Be careful with that one. It can be overdone, you know. (I know.)

[Lucky7Strikes]

Hmm, the direct experience that everything is made up of unconditional love. The experience of being in love with everything around me, as love and being loved by everything. Everything radiating love. Me, becoming unconditional love and loving everything without reason. Just because that is who I am. Which lead to the conclusion that 1+1=1 so I see how I might seem a bit "rebelious" in my ability to choose my own believes, etc.

 

There is no "progress" in the egotistical sense when you live from a place of unconditional love. We are free to be free. Free to be more of who we really are. Not "trying to change" that little which we allow at the moment. Rather, allow yourself to become more of yourself as your true progress.

Experiencing unconditional love does not mean you are the subconscious creator of reality...or any of what you wrote in the first post.

 

Especially synchronistic experiences that most people call "manifestations" and personality shifts that most people call "multiple personality disorder." I'd say, based on my experience, it was an experience of synchronistic perception, coupled with a multiple personality order, and a re-membering of subconscious parts of all that I am and the multi dimensionality of who I truely am. In a sense, the result of inclusion and not exclusion. The experiences of expansion and not contraction. Also downloads of information from higher sources. I got imaginary friends in high places

So unrelated manifestations and experiencing multiple personalities and experiencing expansiveness means you are the witnessing of an effortless creator of your reality or that you were made in the image of the creator and yada yada?

 

Downloads from imaginary people....ok...

 

Sorry, you're not really helping your case here. I think you are not being honest with yourself as to what you know vs. what you believe.

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[Gerard]

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That is what really matters, the rest is just TALK.

[Stosh]

yeah, thats a pretty accurate description of my experiences

 

It sounds so "triumphant"

That is really how it fellt at first, as if I had won the battle with my ego. Now I love the ego into being and sooth it into loving.

 

More like 'cater to it'.

[Everything]

Be careful with that one. It can be overdone, you know. (I know.)

What exactly can be overdone? You mean love?

[Everything]

Experiencing unconditional love does not mean you are the subconscious creator of reality...or any of what you wrote in the first post.

 

 

So unrelated manifestations and experiencing multiple personalities and experiencing expansiveness means you are the witnessing of an effortless creator of your reality or that you were made in the image of the creator and yada yada?

 

Downloads from imaginary people....ok...

 

Sorry, you're not really helping your case here. I think you are not being honest with yourself as to what you know vs. what you believe.

No I'm completely honest. I have no case

 

What I know, I believe. What I believe, I know.

[Everything]

That is what really matters, the rest is just TALK.

Yes, circumstances don't matters! Only state of being matters

[Lucky7Strikes]

What I know, I believe. What I believe, I know.

This is usually the response of fanatics, new-agers, and blind worshippers. I just know. It's a dangerous attitude to have.

[Marblehead]

This is usually the response of fanatics, new-agers, and blind worshippers. I just know. It's a dangerous attitude to have.

Well said. Harsh reality.

[Everything]

This is usually the response of fanatics, new-agers, and blind worshippers. I just know. It's a dangerous attitude to have.

Yes! Thank you! It is very dangerous, we might die. How exciting!

 

I don't wanna go the boring way

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[Everything]

Well said. Harsh reality.

Sometimes people believe that reality is harsh, and having faith is a dangerous thing. Yet, when they have to face a loving, supporting, kind reality, they automaticly practice faith in the harsh reality, with great mastery.

 

Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe.

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[Stosh]

Im not clear on what the 'dangerous' aspect of that attitude is either.

I know plenty of Christians who might also fall into that category of mindset.

They seem OK

Stosh

[Stosh]

Sometimes people believe that reality is harsh, and having faith is a dangerous thing. Yet, when they have to face a loving, supporting, kind reality, they automaticly practice faith in the harsh reality, with great mastery.

 

Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe.

 

Are you saying outright

that there is no factual basis on which you are believing this stuff?

[Harmonious Emptiness]

Without commenting on the entirety of the OP and creating reality by faith, I think faith is simply the opposite of fear. When you fear something, you have the feeling that something will go bad even though it hasn't happened. Faith is feeling that things will go well even though they haven't yet. I think when people associate faith with belief they think it something that people do because they were told to, but that definition is so self-limiting it is actually quite absurd, and often based on what some skeptic told them to think anyways .

[Lucky7Strikes]

Im not clear on what the 'dangerous' aspect of that attitude is either.

I know plenty of Christians who might also fall into that category of mindset.

They seem OK

Stosh

It's dangerous because it limits your potential for true knowledge of reality because you are content in mere faith based vision of the world. But the danger part is that it spreads beliefs as if they are facts. People who come upon it, only seeing the structure valid, believe it is also real without investigating how that knowledge has come about. In this case, Everything admits its intuitive guess work. Well someone else may have a different intuitive guess work. So we have opposing beliefs with no foundation in reality besides, "I believe."

 

This is basically why we have conflict in the world. What you think vs. what I think. So it's dangerous.

 

Christians are not doing ok. They believe and other religions believe something else. So Christians create a lot of unnecessary conflict just as well as any other religious beliefs.

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[Everything]

Are you saying outright

that there is no factual basis on which you are believing this stuff?

Exactly. The believe came first, then the factual basis showed itself to me. Personal evidence. I do not believe because of the evidence that I have received. I have received the evidence, because I have believed. Yet, the evidence was always there, so I did not create it. I just became more receptive to the evidence as I started believing it. You cannot perceive what you're not the vibration of.

[Everything]

It's dangerous because it limits your potential for true knowledge of reality because you are content in mere faith based vision of the world. But the danger part is that it spreads beliefs as if they are facts.

When you're completely delusional like me, you don't believe in reality. So there exists no facts

[Everything]

What you think vs. what I think. So it's dangerous.

agree to disagree

[Jeff]

Exactly. The believe came first, then the factual basis showed itself to me. Personal evidence. I do not believe because of the evidence that I have received. I have received the evidence, because I have believed. Yet, the evidence was always there, so I did not create it. I just became more receptive to the evidence as I started believing it. You cannot perceive what you're not the vibration of.

 

Are you sure...? For the "creator", the believe would be enough to "form" the evidence. Also, this is what the "ego" does all the time.

 

Your premise should be experimentally verifiable. Conduct some experiments. That is what the masters do.

 

[Lucky7Strikes]

agree to disagree

Now we are merely talking about opinions. Spirituality isn't an opinion. It's a science, in that it should be verifiable. There should be some truths to it.

 

Else, all this discussion and efforts are completely meaningless. And I don't mean that in a good way.

[Harmonious Emptiness]

Now we are merely talking about opinions. Spirituality isn't an opinion. It's a science, in that it should be verifiable. There should be some truths to it.

 

Else, all this discussion and efforts are completely meaningless. And I don't mean that in a good way.

 

How do you know that what's verifiable is the truth and the whole truth? Why even believe that this is the only way?

[Everything]

Are you sure...? For the "creator", the believe would be enough to "form" the evidence. Also, this is what the "ego" does all the time.

 

Your premise should be experimentally verifiable. Conduct some experiments. That is what the masters do.

 

Yes, the believe is enough to make the evidence clearly visible. Experiment #1: believe

 

You could start there if you want

[Everything]

Now we are merely talking about opinions. Spirituality isn't an opinion. It's a science, in that it should be verifiable. There should be some truths to it.

 

Else, all this discussion and efforts are completely meaningless. And I don't mean that in a good way.

Life is meanigless, and I mean that in the most positive sense possible. The meaning you put in it, is the meaning you get out of it.